Vatican Observatory Sponsors "Search for Life Beyond the Solar System" Conference in March

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I think we were meant to find God, but not in the way you mean, not in the material or physical sense.

It may be, too, that if we ever do answer the question of whether or not it is possible to transcend the boundaries of this universe, we may find that it means leaving what we understand as existence behind which is pretty much how we do it now anyhow.

adjensen
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Because the Catholic church does not take a literal read of the Bible, so it does not believe that it was created in six day 6,000 years ago. That makes them interested in when and how it was created. We also have no way of know when things are going to come crashing down, so there is obvious interest in things like the current state of the universe.

You do realize that the Catholic Church teaching is in line with evolutionary biology, right? I'm a Roman Catholic, and I have always believed in evolution. You might find this article useful in clearing up some of your misunderstanding: Adam, Eve, and Evolution

Clearly this has not always been so. The teaching that the heavens and everything else, were created FOR the earth was so strong they would not even admit that the earth revolved around the sun.

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Good point.
It's like how it is not possible jumping from one to another dimension and vice versa.

Char-Lee
Clearly this has not always been so. The teaching that the heavens and everything else, were created FOR the earth was so strong they would not even admit that the earth revolved around the sun.

Incorrect! Well, in regards to Catholicism, any way.

Of all of Christianity's sub sets, Catholicism has been one of the most steadfast in the belief that science and divinity are complimentary. And, that dates back to the Roman Era.

Now, that being said, there has been a couple of instances of Catholic Pope's denouncing science while sitting as Pope, but many believe that those instances were to keep peace between the Christian subsets.

As for Catholicism refusing to admit that the Earth revolved around the sun...Copernicus was a Catholic clergyman...and Galileo was a self appointed Catholic scientist...this was an instance of a couple of subsets, with Catholicism as the lead, forcing the Christian church, as a whole, to change its view.

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Could it be they were taken into the loop at some point?

He describes the background and nature of the ‘First contact’ with extraterrestrials as follows:
In 1953 Astronomers discovered large objects in space which were moving toward the Earth. It was first believed that they were asteroids. Later evidence proved that the objects could only be Spaceships. Project Sigma intercepted alien radio communications. When the objects reached the Earth they took up a very high orbit around the Equator.

There were several huge ships, and their actual intent was unknown. Project Sigma, and a new project, Plato, through radio communications using the computer binary language, was able to arrange a landing that resulted in face to face contact with alien beings from another planet. Project Plato was tasked with establishing diplomatic relations with this race of space aliens. In the meantime a race of human looking aliens contacted the U.S. Government.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

peck420

Char-Lee
Clearly this has not always been so. The teaching that the heavens and everything else, were created FOR the earth was so strong they would not even admit that the earth revolved around the sun.

Incorrect! Well, in regards to Catholicism, any way.

Of all of Christianity's sub sets, Catholicism has been one of the most steadfast in the belief that science and divinity are complimentary. And, that dates back to the Roman Era.

Now, that being said, there has been a couple of instances of Catholic Pope's denouncing science while sitting as Pope, but many believe that those instances were to keep peace between the Christian subsets.

As for Catholicism refusing to admit that the Earth revolved around the sun...Copernicus was a Catholic clergyman...and Galileo was a self appointed Catholic scientist...this was an instance of a couple of subsets, with Catholicism as the lead, forcing the Christian church, as a whole, to change its view.

The views of the Catholic Church have shifted radically since the Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake as a heretic in 1600 for speculating other worlds could be inhabited.

There have been many, this man was a genius. This from a Catholic website.

And we find in Bruno's writings that his view of a holistic infinite universe was intertwined with his belief and view of one perfect God.

There have been so many and no matter how you look at it that was the catholic church.

reply to post by Char-Lee

Are all current American's racists?

They must be, they had slaves at one point.

The Catholic Church spans 2,000 year, of which less then 1/10th was anti science.

peck420
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Are all current American's racists?

They must be, they had slaves at one point.

The Catholic Church spans 2,000 year, of which less then 1/10th was anti science.

Just my opinion, but a religion that claims it is a chosen instrument of God is not the same as a country and has a lot more
to answer for, especially ones who have killed in the name of their god.

reply to post by Char-Lee

Clearly this has not always been so. The teaching that the heavens and everything else, were created FOR the earth was so strong they would not even admit that the earth revolved around the sun.

The difference between the Catholics and many other groups is when science demonstrates something to be true, we accept it to be true. Galileo is frequently trotted out as an example of the church's suppression of science, but that's not the case. Galileo was faulted for two things -- first, he wasn't able to prove helio-centrism to the experts he was testifying to; second, he was asked, by Pope Urban, to write a book, discussing both sides of the issue, but what he produced not only just covered his side, but indicated that the Pope sided with him. Galileo, in bringing his friend and patron, the Pope, into a controversial issue that he had failed to win, committed political suicide.

Char-Lee
Could it be they were taken into the loop at some point?

He describes the background and nature of the ‘First contact’ with extraterrestrials as follows:
In 1953 Astronomers discovered large objects in space which were moving toward the Earth. It was first believed that they were asteroids. Later evidence proved that the objects could only be Spaceships. Project Sigma intercepted alien radio communications. When the objects reached the Earth they took up a very high orbit around the Equator.

Cool sci fi story but without any thing of relevance that would support it in the way of evidence.

Char-Lee

peck420
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Are all current American's racists?

They must be, they had slaves at one point.

The Catholic Church spans 2,000 year, of which less then 1/10th was anti science.

Just my opinion, but a religion that claims it is a chosen instrument of God is not the same as a country and has a lot more
to answer for, especially ones who have killed in the name of their god.

Their point stands though. Its the same analogy.

America has claimed to be the beacon of freedom, justice, etc yet was born out of near genocide of the Native Americans, the enslavement of West Africans, the indentured servitude and subjection of the Irish and Chinese and the internment of the Japanese throughout its history into the 20th century.

So the analogy they made was a good one.

Just as none of those things condemns every American to believing in white supremacist ideology, neither does the Catholic Church burning Bruno hundreds of years ago mean much in the way of the current Catholic church's stance on astrobiology specifically and science in general.

Disagree? Then please cite another incidence of someone being burned like Bruno for suggesting life elsewhere in the universe. Preferably closer to present day....

reply to post by JadeStar

Disagree? Then please cite another incidence of someone being burned like Bruno for suggesting life elsewhere in the universe. Preferably closer to present day….

Good point. Bruno wrote a bunch of stuff that was viewed as being heretical, so to hang his death purely on making a pseudo-scientific claim is invalid. But the anti-Catholics trot him, and Galileo, out as examples without telling the whole story.

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