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Do people on hallucinogenic drugs who see visions of our creators have words with gods? Is this how it was accomplished back in the day?
Do people on hallucinogenic drugs who see visions of our creators have words with gods? Is this how it was accomplished back in the day?
boncho
So, when I was a kid I was a bit of a shiza disturber. Mom took me to sunday school, which didn't last very long, and regular church on sundays, which ended when I thought the collection plate was my weekly allowance.
In any case, I think she may have dropped the whole attempt to convert her impressionable child simply because I questioned her core beliefs so much.
For instance:
The bible, and all it's colourful characters were explained to me in great detail. And as the inquisitive type, of course I asked how it came to be. Then I got the explanations of the word of god, handed down in some delusional vision, which immediately gave me some fodder for those silly adults.
Something like…
"So, if people used to have god talking to them, how come it doesn't happen now? Why isn't there new books being written.
(This one was usually met with a blank stare, and god knows (no pun intended) what explanation.)
"I think I might hear god talking to me too." -(best line ever).
"That's impossible" mom says.
"Why?"
"If you hear voices, it means you're crazy."
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So this is really the core of the thread. My question to people of religion, is that what exactly is going on with gods words these days? Where are the modern day prophets? Has god completely abandoned people for the last 1000 years or so, or do you consider the random schizophrenics to have a direct line into the god phone.
Do people on hallucinogenic drugs who see visions of our creators have words with gods? Is this how it was accomplished back in the day? Or is it more like, god decided to give us a blueprint to salvation, but then decided as soon as we evolved to the point of modern conveniences, scientific understanding, etc, we were a lost cause?edit on 28-11-2013 by boncho because: (no reason given)
boncho
"So, if people used to have god talking to them, how come it doesn't happen now? Why isn't there new books being written.
Anyway, chances are that a couple of the bible's contributers we're probably schizo's or on various drugs.
Sorry if this last sentence insulted your faith, because it really shouldn't. The Bible is not a valid proof of the existence or the non-existence of an all knowing, infinitely powerfull God.
Akragon
reply to post by boncho
I assume the other thread sparked the posting of this one?
God still speaks to man... as that little voice in you head that prompts you to think twice before you do something wrong...
Though as far as the OT is concerned... It was written by men with agendas, that wanted to conquer land for their own means
Mom said this too, I called BS. I think I was 6 or 7 and said if that's the case, then why are there so many vivid and descriptive tales of visions. Which she replied with "Well, it was cause angels were talking to them". So it went from, people who hear stuff are crazy, to people who hear stuff talk to angels.
Treespeaker
reply to post by boncho
I for one after reading you a couple years would find it not only interesting but humerous as well....
Ah common give it a crack lol.edit on 28-11-2013 by Treespeaker because: (no reason given)
IkNOwSTuff
The answer is obvious Boncho, all you need to do is read the books themselves.
They all conveniently claim that theirs was the last prophet baring some big return by the Messiah or Mahdi.
So the simple reason god doesnt talk to us or send prophets anymore is coz theres no need to....... except when he comes back to send most of us to hell of course then hell send someone special to announce it to us.
"Hey peeps of the world, Ive been sent by god to save you all... or 144,000 anyway, good luck to the rest of you"
Its either that or religious texts are full of S**t, as a betting man my $$ would be on full of S**t
Akragon
reply to post by boncho
Mom said this too, I called BS. I think I was 6 or 7 and said if that's the case, then why are there so many vivid and descriptive tales of visions. Which she replied with "Well, it was cause angels were talking to them". So it went from, people who hear stuff are crazy, to people who hear stuff talk to angels.
Its quite ok brother... Mom was just trying to explain her point of view to her child... It might not be accurate
I could be wrong to, but this is my personal belief
And when you're out there without care Yeah, I was out of touch But it wasn't because I didn't know enough I just knew too much Does that make me crazy? Does that make me crazy? Does that make me crazy? Possibly