Let's Name the Old Knowledge Phenonemon!

I've been thinking about this today.

It seems to me, that the older the knowledge or system of
knowledge, the more alluring it is. (when it comes to
alternative history, mysticism, fringe knowledge, other
systems).

Go back more than a few hundred years, and it becomes
exponentially harder to verify much at all.

A fellow could be a spiritual genius; but if he's a modern,
then it's nearly impossible for anyone to pay much attention
to whatever has been created, unless all the 'buttons' lurking
in the brain are pushed in a most expert manner (i.e. Stitchin
or whatever).

But some half-wit from a thousand years ago can pen some
half-poetic stuff, half-vague, and making huge claims, and
it might carry enormous weight.

There seems to be some sort of "law" to this like Godwin's
Law:

Godwin's Law

It's something like this:

Modern ERA
Claim requires DNA, Electron Microscope pictures up the butt.

100 Years Ago
Claim requires 2 written references and 1 poor quality photo

500 Years Ago
At least 2 people wrote about it.

1000 Years Ago
One person may have written about it. 5,000 people believed it.

2000 Years Ago
I'm skipping this time era, out of courtesy

3000 Years Ago
A picture of a snake was carved into a rock.

4000 Years Ago
It weighs a lot

etc.

Maybe we could start over and document things well? Take
lots of pictures?

Just a thought.

If people think we should make up this law.. that the older
something is claimed to be, the less the evidence required
and the more you can claim with no limits to the claims
whatsoever!

Any good names?

I'd call it PB's Law but I'm a social outcast, so that
wont' work.. we need some famous person to say it or
something.

KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

Modern ERA
Claim requires DNA, Electron Microscope pictures up the butt.

100 Years Ago
Claim requires 2 written references and 1 poor quality photo

500 Years Ago
At least 2 people wrote about it.

1000 Years Ago
One person may have written about it. 5,000 people believed it.

2000 Years Ago
I'm skipping this time era, out of courtesy

3000 Years Ago
A picture of a snake was carved into a rock.

4000 Years Ago
It weighs a lot

That was funnier than hell, thanks for the laugh.

I still think it'd be fun were that one guy wants to build a full scale Starship Enterprise in space.
Bear with me.

He gets the Starship built, then we send it on a 3000 year cometary trajectory; just some full scale model drifting through space with no actual real technology beyond the blinking light props of cardboard computers and swishy doors.

Fast forward 3000 years and if we're still stuck on this rock, hey, WTF is THAT?
Archives from 3000 years ago suggest a 5 year mission and interactions with Aliens(!) from Vulcan, and ...

Eventually someone would recognize they'd got trolled, but, at the same time too, there'd be future versions of the same kind of folks visiting ATS arguing about cover ups and false flags and black projects, and of course, Aliens, all still convinced it must be real.

Here's a similar perspective on what people will know about The Beatles 1000 years from now:

KellyPrettyBear
I've been thinking about this today.

It seems to me, that the older the knowledge or system of
knowledge, the more alluring it is. (when it comes to
alternative history, mysticism, fringe knowledge, other
systems).

Go back more than a few hundred years, and it becomes
exponentially harder to verify much at all.

A fellow could be a spiritual genius; but if he's a modern,
then it's nearly impossible for anyone to pay much attention
to whatever has been created, unless all the 'buttons' lurking
in the brain are pushed in a most expert manner (i.e. Stitchin
or whatever).

But some half-wit from a thousand years ago can pen some
half-poetic stuff, half-vague, and making huge claims, and
it might carry enormous weight.

There seems to be some sort of "law" to this like Godwin's
Law:

Godwin's Law

It's something like this:

Modern ERA
Claim requires DNA, Electron Microscope pictures up the butt.

100 Years Ago
Claim requires 2 written references and 1 poor quality photo

500 Years Ago
At least 2 people wrote about it.

1000 Years Ago
One person may have written about it. 5,000 people believed it.

2000 Years Ago
I'm skipping this time era, out of courtesy

3000 Years Ago
A picture of a snake was carved into a rock.

4000 Years Ago
It weighs a lot

etc.

Maybe we could start over and document things well? Take
lots of pictures?

Just a thought.

If people think we should make up this law.. that the older
something is claimed to be, the less the evidence required
and the more you can claim with no limits to the claims
whatsoever!

Any good names?

I'd call it PB's Law but I'm a social outcast, so that
wont' work.. we need some famous person to say it or
something.

KPB

I've got 'plan drawings' at the door of each of the rooms of my house, with an arrow that says...'you are here'...

I get a kick out of knowing where the hell I am...

The Doctrine according to KPB (?)...it's got a 'ring'...

He he

Å99

reply to post by AliceBleachWhite


Somewhat off-topic (it's my topic damn it!):
Tell me you've seen "Galaxy Quest" !
It would be a crime against nature if you haven't
and if you didn't like it.. that proves you are a Turing machine.

KPB

reply to post by akushla99

I've got 'plan drawings' at the door of each of the rooms of my house, with an arrow that says...'you are here'...

You know.. somehow I think you are serious. I don't know
what disturbs me more.. that I really believe this, or that
you might really be doing it...

KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Those who live in the main stream are controlled by it, and what is considered from past to be gems of wisdom is decided upon by the forces of control within the main stream. You are a puppet on a string readings someones elses history script.

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by akushla99

 

I've got 'plan drawings' at the door of each of the rooms of my house, with an arrow that says...'you are here'...

You know.. somehow I think you are serious. I don't know
what disturbs me more.. that I really believe this, or that
you might really be doing it...

KPB

It's always good to have things 'labelled' isn't it?

Fine thread

Å99

AthlonSavage
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

 

Those who live in the main stream are controlled by it, and what is considered from past to be gems of wisdom is decided upon by the forces of control within the main stream. You are a puppet on a string readings someones elses history script.

You've never heard me spend a month droning on about
"apparent free will" have you? I'll get around to it..
but we all enjoy our illusion of free will.. so who am I
to be a kill-joy?

KPB

intrptr
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

 

Modern ERA
Claim requires DNA, Electron Microscope pictures up the butt.

100 Years Ago
Claim requires 2 written references and 1 poor quality photo

500 Years Ago
At least 2 people wrote about it.

1000 Years Ago
One person may have written about it. 5,000 people believed it.

2000 Years Ago
I'm skipping this time era, out of courtesy

3000 Years Ago
A picture of a snake was carved into a rock.

4000 Years Ago
It weighs a lot

That was funnier than hell, thanks for the laugh.

Ok!

Would you grant an old man a bucket list item? I'd like to
be made immortal via the Internet!

Just go to Wikipedia and type in some variation of this
post and name it this:

"Pretty Bear's Paucity"

That phrase popped into my head and I almost died
laughing. (Yes, I laugh at my own jokes!)

Ah well, I thought it was funny.

KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


I'll give a S&F to anyone who knows what Godwin's law is and says "that proves you are a Turing machine."

"We must believe in free will--we have no choice." Isaac Bashevis Singer

theantediluvian
reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

 

I'll give a S&F to anyone who knows what Godwin's law is and says "that proves you are a Turing machine."

"We must believe in free will--we have no choice." Isaac Bashevis Singer

Oh my gawd...I love Bashevis Singer...The Slave! Just monumental...

Å99

KellyPrettyBear

Modern ERA
Claim requires DNA, Electron Microscope pictures up the butt.

100 Years Ago
Claim requires 2 written references and 1 poor quality photo

500 Years Ago
At least 2 people wrote about it.

1000 Years Ago
One person may have written about it. 5,000 people believed it.

2000 Years Ago
I'm skipping this time era, out of courtesy

3000 Years Ago
A picture of a snake was carved into a rock.

4000 Years Ago
It weighs a lot

etc.

First, I would say that we have been led to believe it was that way. There were secret societies, that used real practical knowledge, and there was the public version of the knowledge that was a satisfying way of explaining the world, to the people.

Some other knowledge were probably easier to memorize as a symbolic story like we still do sometimes, like the sentence that helps you remember the order and name of the planets, because their tablets were heavier, and not electronic, like ours.

Also, many old stories are sometimes commentaries left about a text we know nothing about. So people are left to extrapolate in order to try and make sense, until something else comes to substantiate it or not.

We also still use that practice today. Some of science's explanations are nothing but unverified suppositions, like how the inside of the Earth is made and works. We guesstimate because of what we perceive from the surface.
Maybe in 5000 years, people will wonder why and how we came to BELIEVE the Earth works like we imagine it does today, and will judge us as simpletons.

Ultimately, we are led into beliefs to help accommodate to new ideas, new concepts. At the same time, you still need some of the old concepts that have made their proofs under their respective fields, because new ideas and new concepts are not accepted by all, simultaneously...

Even then, the human mind being what it is, we can still find peace and harmony in a paradoxical situation.

So what appears simple and stupid to us, when looking at the past,was definitely something more complex than we think, and did its job since we are here to talk about it.

( I hope my post isn't off topic!!! )

reply to post by theantediluvian


I know what it is because of your link, thank you. lol

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear

Would you grant an old man a bucket list item? I'd like to
be made immortal via the Internet!

Sorry, no can do (via the internet). In a thousand years it will be a long gone fad. A trap that people won't be falling for anymore than others from a different era enjoyed sowing little yellow stars on their shirts and coats.

Besides, by then the servers that contain the precious memory will corrode and the satellites will have de-orbited and burned to shards in earths atmosphere. The platters in the hard drives will have lost any decipherable content let alone ability to decode it. For all they will postulate we used them to sharpen knifes, polish metal or cut diamond.

Having said that I know your soul will be there somewhere, for your'e one of the good ones. Hopefully we meet and laugh our asses off.

I just had this crazy thought.

All the humans are gone, booked off onto another planet or wiped out, it doesn't really matter.
The aliens from sector jibber jabber or somewhere out there in the cosmos land on earth, in particular on a little bit of rock we today call Ireland.

They just so happen to walk into my old house and discover my turntable and vinyl collection. Being curious they select an album at random cos it has a pretty album sleeve, and pop it on, (electricity is still working) but unbeknown to them it is at the wrong speed.
In this scenario, their initial summing up of the human race would be listening to Dark Side of The Moon as sung by Pinky and Perky! Hilarious. Or should I just get back into me box and close the lid?

Still, could have been worse, could have been Leonard Cohen.

Nice thread, made me laugh and think at once.

reply to post by intrptr


Metaphor. Humor. Metaphor.




But I like your sentiment.

Im sending you a pm.

Mufcutcakeyumyum
I just had this crazy thought.

All the humans are gone, booked off onto another planet or wiped out, it doesn't really matter.
The aliens from sector jibber jabber or somewhere out there in the cosmos land on earth, in particular on a little bit of rock we today call Ireland.

They just so happen to walk into my old house and discover my turntable and vinyl collection. Being curious they select an album at random cos it has a pretty album sleeve, and pop it on, (electricity is still working) but unbeknown to them it is at the wrong speed.
In this scenario, their initial summing up of the human race would be listening to Dark Side of The Moon as sung by Pinky and Perky! Hilarious. Or should I just get back into me box and close the lid?

Still, could have been worse, could have been Leonard Cohen.

Nice thread, made me laugh and think at once.

Oh god, is this embarrassing...I've been listening to Dark Side of the Moon on 45rpm all these years, thinking it was a circus soundtrack :/

Å99

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


I think the problem isn't necessarily that things weren't documented well, because they certainly were.

The problem is that modern spiritual theorists, operating off of intuition and feeling, instead of looking for hard-evidence, have this elaborate conception of our ancestors as some kind of super-advanced, spiritually-attuned, holistic utopian society where individual ideas concerning spiritual advancements were known worldwide. Unfortunately, the only place they can point to and say: "see, I'm right!" is where anthropologists and other cultural scientists haven't already worked out what our ancestors were doing, saying, and intended.

Thus, you get people claiming a pictograph of a snake on a rock in Egypt has some connection to Kundalini Yoga and its practice in India. Yet, when Egyptologists finally get around to studying said rock, they confirm that it is probably more likely to be related to Apep, Wadjet, or some other serpent-deity, than to the Chakras and Kundalini meditation, two concepts that never existed in Egypt's diverse spiritual and religious history.

So, in my mind, the "Old Knowledge Phenomenon" (which is a perfect title for it, I think) will vanish as reason and research does away with unsupported supposition.

~ Wandering Scribe

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


VETUS COGNITO NOVUM

Latin lit. for Old Knowledge Phenonenon

Everyone have fun finding ALLLLLL the meanings, just reply to me too so I can keep track! As always,some meanings were intentional; I'm more curious about what's there that I personally did not intend