Melting Starfish and Odd Orca Behavior in Pacific Ocean

Granite
reply to post by Carreau

 

Well, I was going to post art showing Jacques Cousteau with an aged and depressed face looking at the ground, 100% lost faith in humans...but this "turd" new website isn't uploading anything from my upload section!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Use your imagination ATS members that he knew in his last years that humans were NOT going to listen and the fate of the world's oceans was sealed long ago!

Porn, "turkey baster children", illegal drugs, etc. are far higher priorities now...

I don't know about artificial insemination, but drugs and porn certainly rank pretty high on a lot of Internet users lists of priorities (for consumption).

Excuse my ignorance all, it has probably been mentioned before but is it possible for the irradiated ocean to evaporate into irradiated clouds, jetstream, followed by irradiated rain?

Or does it not work like that?

reply to post by Carreau


Does anyone know of research into the levels of radioactivity in the Pacific? I see the charts plotting the spread and have seen the reports of animal illness.

Surely it would be fairly easy to find for example, if the tops of the food chains are experiencing higher levels of radiation. That would indicate that the radiation is entering the food cycle. I would think checking the radiation level of Tuna for example, would be a very good indicator.

Not at all my area of interest/focus. Seems that TEPCO and Japan haven't really fixed things over there. Maybe they need more outside help/experts.

reply to post by Tsu322

The ocean is not irradiated. The water is not radioactive.
Radioactive materials (like cesium) were (and are being) released in to the ocean. These materials do not evaporate.

reply to post by ManFromEurope


www.conspiracy-watch.com...

maybe a different reference source is in order...


what is it with you people? A. Fukushima IS happening. B. it doesnt take a genius to figure out which direction all 1,300 tonnes of radiation can and will go. C. all this happening in correlation with this massively serious event and people STILL want to shill around and discredit. D. Are any of you experts on this type of issue? I sure am not, but im smart enough to know its bad all the way around.

This is our problem. we cannot come together enough to do anything but whine and moan, and discredit. whine and moan, and discredit. I have stopped posting ANYTHING on this site because too many shill, troll like posts of pessimistic, glass half full people who love to play the debunk game. Debunking is good to a point. When something isnt a conspiracy like fukushima, keep your debunking crap out. what is it with you people? I used to like ATS and I got into a lot of valuable discussions. Not anymore. Just a site for debunkers now. I feel like godlikeproductions would be a little better than here now. Thats sad right? Many of you caused the decline of this place because people cannot have a half way respectufl discussion without having some jackass being a jackass. AND THEY LIKE IT. fukushima is real, its effecting wildlife. do you know the biology of ocean life that would effect one quicker than the other? kinda like roaches can handle it, but other bugs cant. maybe there are other species who can cope just a little better than others. do any of you know anything of it? no. so how about you just use logic for once and quit the reference wars. this does not take a scientist to figure out how bad this is. just common sense. seems some around here are in sore need of a logical kick in the butt. all that intelligence and no rationality. sad.

Phage
reply to post by Tsu322

 

The ocean is not irradiated. The water is not radioactive.
Radioactive materials (like cesium) were (and are being) released in to the ocean. These materials do not evaporate.

edit on 10/28/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)

I would also tend to think that radioactive particles, being heavier than Water ( I think? ) would eventually drift downward not stay at the surface.

Time to plop a time bubble on that SOB and fast forward a century or two.

Phage
reply to post by Tsu322

 

The ocean is not irradiated. The water is not radioactive.
Radioactive materials (like cesium) were (and are being) released in to the ocean. These materials do not evaporate.

edit on 10/28/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Two months ago, a thread you participated in showed the concentration of cesium and other radioactive elements in the Pacific gyre makes a "human experiment" emimnent this rain season in California especially...
ATS Japan thread

Phage, please provide evidence of your claims?

reply to post by mactheaxe


nope, I've posted and linked the original Source of the image [which measures wave height]
everything else is fear-mongering and Doom Porn.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

P.S.: radiation isn't measured in tons
nor can a radioactive sample be traced to it's country of origin as was implied by another poster.

Fukushima Radiation Exposure and Risks Overblown According to Study by Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski

[Editor's Note: This is one of three articles I came upon yesterday that offers some relief and rebuttal to the unending torrent of Japan radiation hysteria that has seemingly taken over the internet.. One guy from Australia angrily emailed me that there were no sources listed in the article, when in fact, the article is well referenced, if only this fellow could set aside his emotional blinders and actually read what's written here (and look up the references cited). To make it easier for him and other emotional pin heads who can't seem to manage to tie their shoe laces unless someone else does it for them, I took the time to use a search engine and pasted in the links to accompany the referenced sources. The "Doctor" referrenced in the title is Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, and not 'doctors' in general, as assumed by the Mastermind from Melbourne. This article is discussing a report issued on September 28, 2012 by the Physicians for Civil Defense. It took me all of two seconds to find the report using a search engine. I've embedded the link below and here. The same guy from Australia had previously sent me a link to an absurd and manic yellow article posted at BeforeItsNews.com by "Live Free or Die" that was titled "Hawaii Went Radioactive Wednesday" and he wants to know why I can't see the "overwhelming evidence" of the great dangers coming from Fukushima and my "refusal" to admit to it. I'll be replying to him in a separate article, but for now, for those who can take it, please consider the information seen below. It's been my observation that most people are uninformed when it comes to the topic of radiation and they ASSUME far more danger than what actually exists. It's not hard to find the facts, as long as you're willing to look for them, but most brain washed armchair critics don't bother to do a little research themselves to verify the facts. Without actually studying the science, anti nuclear zealots make ASSUMPTIONS based on specious impressions created by the media and radiation alarmists. For those who pay close attetnion to this web site, many of the statements shown below in bold face and underlined, were previously stated by ZSL or myself in the days, weeks and months following the 3/11 attack on Japan. ...Ken Adachi]

Fukushima Radiation Hysteria: A Well Funded & Calculated Disinformation Campaign Index of Articles

Beginning on March 12, 2011, I have steadfastly reported in numerous articles indexed below that the calculated promotion of Japan radiation hysteria, especially by Leftist media and opponents of nuclear energy, was contrived, woefully dishonest, and all out of proportion to the actual degree and amount of ionizing radiation being released from the Daiichi Nuclear Power Station. Furthermore, at no time since March 11, 2011, has the background radiation levels in Tokyo, or northern Japan (or even Fukushima prefecture) risen to a level (excluding the immediate vicinity of the Daiichi plant itself) that presented any real (short or long term) health dangers to the people of Japan or North America.

I have often wondered why there were not more people interested in countering Fukushima radiation alarmism. Despite ZERO evidence to support it, it has only grown in intensity in the past two years with rense.com and enenews.com being prime examples of unbridled radiation hysteria promotion. Fukushima radiation alarmism is surely an Illuminati funded disinformation endeavor that rivals the lies and deceptions surrounding 9/11. It seems that a very large percentage of unthinking people simply ACCEPT illogical and unsupported tripe just as long as it's presented to them within a framework of contrived sensationalism, looming catastrophe, and allegations of government/corporate cover up.

The unsupported hype and fabrications employed by radiation hysteria promoters is child's play to take apart by anyone with a brain willing to check the facts, check the sources, and apply logical analysis to the emotional and hysterical prejudices being applied. Today, I was able to stumble across three solid articles which, at last, threw some cold water on the burning coals of hokum being fanned by radiation promoters. I'll be adding those articles to the index seen below. I hope I can find many more similar articles in the future. It will be such a relief to see some sanity - and responsible honesty - return to this subject.

Ken Adachi

where are all the deformed babies and cancer/leukemia patients, like the ones in iraq caused by DU ?

reply to post by Phage


The point is The ocean is broken and Japan is not helping at all with the waste. The US is in no place to bitch at Japan as they own a large portion of our debt.

reply to post by Metaphysique


the fuel rods are in tonnes. disinformation campaigns and debunkers such as yourself will claim to know. I dont, nor do you. you look stuff up like me. the fact is, radiation is nasty, it is heading over here. plain fact. go on about your life. everything will be ok. when stuff happens, its not radiation. its a figment of you imagination.
I tire of people here. no more for me. i will just continue to do independant critical thinking, logical research and come up with my own conclusiions. my conclusion, were screwed. the pacific is screwed. our lives are screwed. is that conspiracy? no. its fact. good day.

YOOHOO!!! Where are the debunkers? why so quiet?

[or did your bosses tell you to keep schtum?]

what happened to your self-serving, righteous claims of "denying ignorance"



[see my previous post for why the silence ]


oh well, at least the OP isn't insulting me and going into a sulk like Sadisuto-kun [alas, now banned ] did day before yesterday.

Let's watch this before we all decide we know what were talking about. this will give you a better understanding of what we are dealing with.

www.disclose.tv...

as far as too early in the game.....its been more than two years, more around three. lets wait a little longer to see how bad it will be.....thats a good idea.
I personally loath my future being put on hold because its too early in the game. our future is shot. it takes an atom of this crap to hurt you.

mactheaxe
reply to post by Metaphysique

 

the fuel rods are in tonnes. disinformation campaigns and debunkers such as yourself will claim to know. I dont, nor do you. you look stuff up like me. the fact is, radiation is nasty, it is heading over here. plain fact. go on about your life. everything will be ok. when stuff happens, its not radiation. its a figment of you imagination.
I tire of people here. no more for me. i will just continue to do independant critical thinking, logical research and come up with my own conclusiions. my conclusion, were screwed. the pacific is screwed. our lives are screwed. is that conspiracy? no. its fact. good day.

I'll thank you to not lump me with the likes of those oh so obvious shills just waiting for enough people to make fools of and discredit themselves to pounce.

I'm usually the one on the receiving end of debunker-vitriol, as your examination of my posting history should've shown you [because logically, as an independent thinker, YOU DID DO DUE DILIGENCE. didn't you?]

looking forward to your posting your own radiation readings, forensics of sea life, and evidence of an uptick of leukemia and deformed babies.

Because until you, via personal acquisition of evidence and direct testing do so,
all you're doing is Believing the hype.

[but maybe I should stop now, before I do become a debunker[shudders]]

MadMax9

"....Nothing is being done about it."

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What do you suggest! Seriously !!!!!, think about it!
Nothing is begin done about it because nothing CAN be done about it.

Honestly, is the IQ level in this site dropping?

Sorry to go off topic, but the above quoted post bothered me. Just cause someone says nothing is being done about it, that gives you just cause to insult their iq? Its stuff like this that's driving people away from this site.

Either way, starfish melting would definatly seem to me to be direct effects of radiation...imo.

reply to post by Metaphysique


i am not a scientist. i am not a biologist. It is common sense to know this stuff is bad bad bad. the worst we have on this planet as far as destruction because it destroys on a cellular level. There is something at play here that is in the pacific. i do not have to believe reports, i do not have to see signs to know that radiation is and will kill the pacific ocean, and america as well. the amount of leakage, the reports of possible china syndrome, the amount of spent, and unspent fuel rods that have to be removed. the potency of iodine and cesium. the half lifes, the effects, the way the wind blows, the way the ocean moves. where it will go, what the typhoons are doing as far as making it difficult to keep hold on something way over the japanese' heads. the inherent danger of having these plants near an ocean, or any water table for that matter. the fact that our MSM doesnt really seem to be interested in this. they are more interested in trayvon, political patriots and the villification of veterans. distractions, disinformation campaigns. i do not need people to tell me how bad this is, and how much worse it could, and is getting. its simple. radiation kills, 1,300 tonnes of radiation rods running rampant. running out of water storage for the radiated water. migratory fish carrying it to be eaten by other fish such as the sardines. the amount of radiation makes our little boy and fat man look like bottle rockets in a radiation aspect. I have family up in northwest washington. I am not happy with this because it is and will directly affect me and mine. most americans are deficient in good iodine in thyroids. bad bad if you want to keep out radiation. this isnt a numbers game. this is real. this will affect all of us, and in time, the whole world. whole ecosystems. whole biosystems. bugs, plants, animals. people. food, water, soil. It only takes a minute amount to cause problems. so i see all of this, and i do not take kindly to people telling me my reasoning is flawed. it is simple radiation is bad. lots of radiation is really bad. lots of really bad radiation being dumped into the pacific. killing whole ecosystems. chain reaction. jet stream bringing it across north america. so on. and no, i will not present info because for all my work, i still get people telling me im wrong. so why? if you want me to do the research for you, youre wrong. I presented the facts, now look them up. i have and will not be subjected to others thinking they know more than me. i do not know more, i just dont like the ignorant dismissal of my opinions. i dislike the lack of critically thinking and independant research.

I apologize for calling you a shill, it seems there are a lot more of those on this site then there are mature people who wish to engage in a mature, scientific, logical conversation. There are some things that just do not need scientific approaches to know how bad it is, and could get.

It's like me telling somebody, "dont jump in that pit, there are pungy sticks at the bottom, i know this trick." Other person. "Have you studied this? are you a pungy stick trap scientist? no. I will jump in anyway." sometimes, you just need to follow your gut. and my gut says, we are screwed.

reply to post by mactheaxe

I have stopped posting ANYTHING on this site because too many shill, troll like posts of pessimistic, glass half full people who love to play the debunk game.

Skepticism is the enemy of ignorance. There are plenty of unexplained/mysterious things to puzzle over (particularly in the ocean) and no shortage of conspiracies to theorize about. I guess it comes down to whether a person is more concerned with the truth or entertainment value.

reply to post by Metaphysique


wow u must be one of those rich elite, powers that be beyond us mere mortal folk,,cause,,

" via personal acquisition of evidence and direct testing do so, "

i just dont have that kind of access too the "Bat Jet",,and the Highteck Radiation, Analyizers,,,unless they went on sale at Wall mart.

ya only person i see able too do that kind of thinking,,, via personal acquisition of evidence and direct testing do so, ,,might be out there somewhere.
so until they show up,,,i guess shut-up?

Metaphysique

mactheaxe
reply to post by Metaphysique

 

the fuel rods are in tonnes. disinformation campaigns and debunkers such as yourself will claim to know. I dont, nor do you. you look stuff up like me. the fact is, radiation is nasty, it is heading over here. plain fact. go on about your life. everything will be ok. when stuff happens, its not radiation. its a figment of you imagination.
I tire of people here. no more for me. i will just continue to do independant critical thinking, logical research and come up with my own conclusiions. my conclusion, were screwed. the pacific is screwed. our lives are screwed. is that conspiracy? no. its fact. good day.

of leukemia and deformed babies.

Because until you, via personal acquisition of evidence and direct testing do so,
all you're doing is Believing the hype.

so if i were to do all this research, and know, would you still fall back on that? thats a double standard. i cant believe unless i do the research for myself. are you willing to fund me? and if so, would you still question it because YOU didnt do the research yourself as well? maybe we all should go out and research with money we dont have and equipment few know how to use, let alone read.