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And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
sk0rpi0n
Just a short thread. Christians say the horseman of revelation 19 is none other than Jesus. Very well, but is there an explanation as to why he isn't directly mentioned by his name?....considering Jesus is mentioned by name elsewhere in Revelation. So why mention the riders name as a code - ''faithful and true'', instead of 'Jesus Christ'? I'm just speculating.... But it could well be a reference to another religions prophetic figure also named in a code - ''rightly guided one'' ... aka the Mahdi. Maybe both codes mean the same thing. God knows best.edit on 24-10-2013 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)
That is a simplistic interpretation by literalists to say that this character being described is Jesus.
So why mention the riders name as a code - ''faithful and true'', instead of 'Jesus Christ'?
sk0rpi0n
Just a short thread. Christians say the horseman of revelation 19 is none other than Jesus. Very well, but is there an explanation as to why he isn't directly mentioned by his name?....considering Jesus is mentioned by name elsewhere in Revelation. So why mention the riders name as a code, instead of 'Jesus Christ'? I'm just speculating.... But it could well be a reference to another religions prophetic figure also named in a code - ''rightly guided one'' ... aka the Mahdi. Maybe both codes mean the same thing. God knows best.edit on 24-10-2013 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)
I would question even that.
Jesus is the word of God, true.
That's a different horseman than the one in Revelation 19.
and behold a white horse and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
jmdewey60
reply to post by thekaboose
That's a different horseman than the one in Revelation 19.
and behold a white horse and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
You are looking at the first of the Four Horseman.
The one in 19 is associated with the wedding feast of the lamb.
Awen24
sk0rpi0n
Just a short thread. Christians say the horseman of revelation 19 is none other than Jesus. Very well, but is there an explanation as to why he isn't directly mentioned by his name?....considering Jesus is mentioned by name elsewhere in Revelation. So why mention the riders name as a code - ''faithful and true'', instead of 'Jesus Christ'? I'm just speculating.... But it could well be a reference to another religions prophetic figure also named in a code - ''rightly guided one'' ... aka the Mahdi. Maybe both codes mean the same thing. God knows best.edit on 24-10-2013 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)
Reading this, I can't help but feel that you're being intellectually dishonest.
I suspect that you've consciously neglected to reference the remaining verses of the chapter. Why do I think this?
If you kept reading, you'd reach verse 13:
"He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God."
Who is the "Word of God"? Jesus.
John 1:1, "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning."
Verse 15: "Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter."
Who rules with an Iron Scepter? Jesus.
Psalm 2:7-
"I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:
He said to me, “You are my son;
today I have become your father.
8 Ask me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You will break them with a rod of iron;
you will dash them to pieces like pottery."
...and who is He in verse 16? "king of kings and lord of lords"!
Who is "King of Kings and Lord of Lords"? Jesus is. c.f. Revelation 17:
"hey will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers."
That's right - Jesus / The Lamb / King of Kings and Lord of Lords / The Ruler with an Iron Scepter / The Word / Faithful and True
These terms are synonymous. Each is a Title belonging to Jesus Christ.
edit on 24-10-2013 by Awen24 because: (no reason given)
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
"Iron Scepters" is not unique to the Book of Psalms, and was a sort of universal symbol of military and police power and authority.
That's right - Jesus / The Lamb / King of Kings and Lord of Lords / The Ruler with an Iron Scepter / The Word / Faithful and True
These terms are synonymous. Each is a Title belonging to Jesus Christ.
The rider unleasehed in the first seal riding the white horse is indeed the antichrist
jmdewey60
reply to post by sk0rpi0n
I would question even that.
Jesus is the word of God, true.
People like to make that interpretation but it never says that directly.
John 1 says there is a Logos which is God and with God, but it does not ever directly identify it as being a person other than God Himself.
Most likely it just means that God has a power to have things come about by just saying so, with the implication in John that the mission of Jesus on earth was previously prophesied through the Holy Spirit.edit on 24-10-2013 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
sk0rpi0n
Just a short thread. Christians say the horseman of revelation 19 is none other than Jesus. Very well, but is there an explanation as to why he isn't directly mentioned by his name?....considering Jesus is mentioned by name elsewhere in Revelation. So why mention the riders name as a code - ''faithful and true'', instead of 'Jesus Christ'? I'm just speculating.... But it could well be a reference to another religions prophetic figure also named in a code - ''rightly guided one'' ... aka the Mahdi. Maybe both codes mean the same thing. God knows best.edit on 24-10-2013 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)
The one in the Bible.
What Jesus do you follow then?