Master Race

This thought came to me after reading some of another thread here at ATS about the Holocaust. What if Hitler had the right idea but was way way ahead of his time. Now hear me out. I don't mean the killing of anyone who isn't of the "Aryan" persuasion. What if the idea of a master race is the outcome of all of our different ethnicities, eventually over millenia, blending into one unified species, or at least closer than we are now. There would no longer be any race issues if we were all the same.

Granted there would still be internal issues such as religious/political/social conflict, but I think after all that time maybe we could even get all that figured out as well and actually come together as a species. Of course we would have to keep from destroying ourselves first but it's an interesting thought experiment I think.

Does anybody else think that if we can make it that far we might finally become one and work out all or most of our differences?

So you support Eugenics.

Something I cannot say i agree with, it is human diversity that makes the human condition so interesting.

And what makes the perfect "Master race" is entirely subjective.

So it is a truly awful idea.

Evolution on the other hand, yeah am ok with that.

reply to post by thov420


To master something you have to specialize.

One body will be better at running, another at swimming, another at climbing, another at reflex, another at deep thought, another at quick calculations, etc and so forth.

Only if you could change your physical makeup, at will, would you be able to master all.

p.s. Eugenics is idiocy. (You cannot know what you will get when tampering with the biological aspects of things until you do it, and the result could be disastrous.)

reply to post by thov420


I can easily see that you are speaking about a very very long period of time here and that you are in no way suggesting that humans engage in eugenics.

The "god" that taught astronomy to the Mayans was blue eyed & blond haired.

Terrence McKenna said that civilization is a frantic race to get off the planet or deep underground before the next apocalypse struck....which seems to be about every 3600 years.

Who has been able to do the above ?

The OP's theses is absurd.imho

So long as one lacks what another has, there will always be conflict.

To this day we know very little about the function of our own DNA. You could have 10 clones of the same person, but placed in diverse environmental conditions, would each developed independently due to epigenetics.

In terms of feasibility, eugenics as a means of genetic conformity in a population must take place under the most stringent conditions. To top it off, laws and regulations restricting those with "undesirable" genetic traits must be set in place to prevent them from bearing children.

Besides being clearly unethical, the only real argument, albeit morally dissonant, would be to claim that such a practice could "Prevent suffering".

Ex.) No more people with Down Syndrome, Type I Diabetes, or any other genetic disorder.

An interesting thought, but would likely lead to more conflict than it would solve.

Yeah hitler was totally all about what you are saying, man. So far ahead nobody could even understand. Genocide is just totally misunderstood and basically the same thing as racial intermingling, or something. I post.

reply to post by thov420


The Master Disgrace sums it all up for me!

reply to post by thov420


I think that our future success or failure depends not on our ability to eliminate our differences over time, on the physical and genetic level, but to cease to obsess over them as we tend to. It is psychology, not physiology that causes us the trouble we encounter on a daily basis. Having some people present with terrible birth defects, and debilitating hereditary illnesses would not be such an issue if more were done to mitigate their effects. Developing treatments for these ailments which retroactively improve the sufferers condition would be a better solution in my opinion. I would say we are some time away from efficient and successful treatments of that sort, but that is no reason not to aim toward such a thing.

To be frank however, it is not the difference between healthy and unhealthy people which makes this planet a bugger to live on, but one or another group thinking that they, and they alone, have the correct outlook on the world. Wether we are talking about radical Islam, or the sort of rotten and corrupt attitude to the world shown by the Westboro Baptist nutters, or wether we are talking about rabid socialism, or greedy grabbing capitalism, it is differences in thinking which cause the upset.

Unifying our purpose, I feel, would be more effective at advancing our position as a species, than unifying our genetics and our physiology more than we already have.

OtherSideOfTheCoin
So you support Eugenics.

Apparently some people have a reading comprehension issue. I said:

thov420
I don't mean the killing of anyone who isn't of the "Aryan" persuasion.

I in no way, shape, or form support eugenics. I simply brought up Hitler because of his belief in a master race that we are all descended from and my idea is instead the master race is what we are going to evolve into.


reply to post by TerryMcGuire


Thank you, I'm glad somebody was paying attention.



This is the kind of thing I was thinking of when I made this thread:


reply to post by robodrag0n

I realize I should've never even mentioned Hitler or the Holocaust because of this eugenics talk.
I'm talking about racial mingling eliminating our races, not human intervention.

reply to post by TrueBrit

Thank you for that very insightful post and I do agree. 99% of our differences are psychological. That's part of the reason I started this thread. If we all looked the same we could more easily focus on the other differences we have and maybe overcome them in time.

Thanks all for your participation but I'm off to bed.

reply to post by thov420


I rather think that with regard to problems caused by differences in appearance, the problem is not the difference, but people being so ignorant and shallow as to react to it. And let's face it, it is difference and diversity which make our species such an interesting subject to study, let alone be a part of.

In Polynesia, amongst other locations, there are people who can dive off the back of a boat, with no scuba gear, hit the seabed, walk along it, spear a fish, and then ascend after several minutes of submersion. High in the mountainous regions of the planet, those peoples who have descended from ancient residents of the slopes, often have shorter limbs, wider chests, to accommodate the thinner air, and get enough oxygen to be able to move around those lofty places without risking altitude sickness.

Human kind is fantastic at adapting to its environment, on the biological, structural, and psychological levels. The environment one grows up in, or which ones parents and their parents grew up in, leads to adaptations which make the current batch of humanity more suited to their surroundings. So our physical differences are actually incredibly important to our ability to be where we are in the world. However, it is the psychological dysfunction of reasonless hatred of that which one does not understand, which so divides us.

We cannot move forward from this position, unless all such lazy minded nonsense, is done away with, differences accepted, and welcomed. My position personally on this, is that every member of this human race, is my brother, my sister, a friend I have not yet met, until on individual merit, they prove otherwise. Perhaps if all the people who hate difference were to adopt a more enlightened position than the one they currently hold, we can move forward as a species.

Trying, however, to remove our differences will avail us of no benefit what so ever. It is the lazy way out of a situation which requires effort, and comes from an over simplified understanding of not only the biology of mankind, but the psychology also.

I was confused when you mentioned Hitler, but I understand what you mean.

I think you are right. Mix raced people for one tend to be easy on the eyes, as far as everything else I can't claim to know; however, for the same reason why inbreeding is not good for human genetics, mixing races is probably good for human genetics. The farther apart the 2 parents are in their genetic code, the more options the offspring has. At least that is the way I was told.

The only thing that could keep us from interracial breeding till there were no longer any obvious races, is racism and hatred. Oh and religions. Gotta get rid of those.

If it's not too late to edit, you should rename this thread 'Ultimate Race'

Are human beings not already the master race having outlived or outbred all(apparently) separate hominid species?

Surely out of cromagnon man Neanderthal man and whoever else was here before us we have triumphed as a fairly uniform species aside from skin color and slight morphological features related to the climate ones lineage stems from.

In my opinion we already are the master race which we can either improve or destroy how we see fit.

reply to post by thov420


Apologizes, but regardless of whether you are attempting to purge all ethnicity except for one, or unify them into one blend, eugenics or some other form of "directed breeding" would be the only means to achieve that.

How would you propose we unify ourselves as a species? What process must we undertake to become the ideal blend of everything that isn't through eugenics?

reply to post by thov420


In my opinion what would happen is this. Technology on genetic manipulation and nanotechnology would get to the point where we'll be able to do what we want to our bodies. Want to be blue eyed and blond even though you started life as brown on brown? Go to the doctor and order the body you want. A few injections and some time and there you are. Who knows. Maybe it will get to the point of gills or wings or anything you could imagine.