Catholic Hatred. (Impossible Thread, Episode #2)

What characteristics do Catholics ascribe to God?

Meaning, I consider God as omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, etc. How is it viewed in Catholicism?

Serdgiam
What characteristics do Catholics ascribe to God?

Meaning, I consider God as omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, etc. How is it viewed in Catholicism?

Why would we view God any differently than that?

reply to post by Serdgiam

Dear Serdgiam,

We see Him the same way. Throw in other standard attributes such as loving, merciful, just, and so on. I don't think the Christian world sees God in very different ways. But then again, I'm pretty uninformed. I'm probably just taking it for granted and I shouldn't.

With respect,
Charles1952

By the way, Secretary Serdgiam, I haven't seen any reports from your Department lately. From what I can tell, one part of a country is more firmly embedded in another part than ever. If you need more funding, let me know.

charles1952
reply to post by Serdgiam

 

Dear Serdgiam,

We see Him the same way. Throw in other standard attributes such as loving, merciful, just, and so on. I don't think the Christian world sees God in very different ways. But then again, I'm pretty uninformed. I'm probably just taking it for granted and I shouldn't.

With respect,
Charles1952

Apologies, I wasnt entirely clear!

I think the difference in religions comes in when using scripture to verify specific trains of thought. In that, I was hoping to see if there is any difference in the scriptures used to ascribe certain attributes to God.

Omnipresence is a tricky one to me. While it is an attribute that I determined outside of scripture, it is one that supposedly aligns with it. But, there are some issues that arise when taking this term literally, but Im not sure there is another way to interpret such an attribute!

By the way, Secretary Serdgiam, I haven't seen any reports from your Department lately. From what I can tell, one part of a country is more firmly embedded in another part than ever. If you need more funding, let me know.

Exciting things have transpired, but I am also in the process of training a 6 month old shiloh shepherd to be a service dog for me. Its.. laborious to say the least!

I am hoping for greater voter turnout before the next big steps are taken. Ill send some info your way for you to peruse at your leisure. The "ATS" side of things is specific to the forum, and quite limited. I think it will be of great interest to you. eta: Please wait a day or two, as our mail system has recently been ravaged by a 75 lb ball of fur.

SisyphusRide
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Hey thanks alot... I was hoping you would find what you mentioned. I feared the lash in responding to it in the particular post you mentioned it in because it may have been a hot thread?

I have been reading alot about Michael lately since a few mentioning of him, starting with someone questioning my avatar... I had to go real fast back to where I got the picture to actually find out who it was and do a quick analysis on what I thought it represented.

Michael is quite universal... I didn't realize at the creation of my avatar and I wonder if it is a unwise choice?

edit on 14-12-2013 by SisyphusRide because: (no reason given)

I thought it better to post St. Michael's message here for you to read.

Mind boggling, to think of St. Michael's history.

It was a great choice for an avatar.

Prophecy states there is going to be a celestial coming "soon" during the worldwide divine "awakening" also called the Great Warning.

People, you just can't disbelieve anymore. Come to the faith, RC, the fullness of God's revelation.

More example of the divine, Rick Larson, a dear non-Catholic brother in Christ, a lay person, a lawyer looked to the Heavens, at the stars and discovered much about the Star of Bethlehem. He has YouTube video (videos) you can view.

Watch this short (two minutes) YouTube of another amazing celestial Rick explains. I admire the love and zeal in his voice.

www.youtube.com...

AND...

an hour long with both, mainly the Star of Bethlehem miraculous explained by Rick.

www.youtube.com...

about 49:04, is explanation of the astronomical marvel in the first link above.


p.s. I do not know how to post videos directly, sorry.

Prezbo369

[No. I'm asking you how you have proved that miracles and answered prayer don't exist.]

They've never been shown to exist.

As this is a standard article of faith amongst those of the materialist creed, I am going to assume that you are a believer. May I ask upon what authority you deem it to rest and how you arrived at that determination?

I'm as sure about gods, ghouls and ghosts as I am there being no Santa. Is it possible I am completely wrong and there's a supernatural realm filled with gods ghouls and ghosts? sure. Is it likely? no.

As I do not share your belief in the materialist creed, perhaps you could help me gain some understanding. I do understand the yearning for such a faith, as well as the succor it provides. Yet, try as I might, I have never been able to fully embrace its tenets, given the paucity of evidence. Hence, I have not been able to make the necessary leap of faith.

sad_eyed_lady
The first time I ever heard any Catholic bashing was on a Christian radio program. I was shocked, really shocked, because I never heard any Catholic priest, nun, deacon or lay cathecist talk negatively against the Protestant Church. It is a church that isn't into condemnation. The only thing I learned about Protestantism is that they do not believe in the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

Welcome to ATS and find out we are illuminati, worshiping Mary and worse. I have tried to clear up a few misconceptions, but find it is a hard sell.

I did go to Catholic grade school and attended Mass daily and Catholic High School, but I also walked away from the Church as a teen, no specific reason. I must honestly say that I did not take it's teaching to heart in following the basic requirements of the faith. That changed in my late 20s. Heck, I was a kid who knew more than they did. I did fasten the scripture reading to my soul with whoops of steel. I love Jesus and never doubted in His Divinity.

I grew up in an working class neighborhood right outside Philadelphia. There were 70 houses on my block and every family was Catholic with the exception of two Protestant families. Like you I never heard any Catholic bashing (or Protestant bashing for that matter). I didn't really know what made a Protestant a Protestant beyond my friend Stevie saying that he was Orange instead of Green. Whatever that meant, it was never clear and made no sense to me. He was a central figure in our little clan, so it certainly didn't trickle down to our day to day experience and he was as much a part of us as anyone.

It wasn't until much later that I came to understand that there were people that really didn't like Catholics, but I'd never run into them personally so I never experienced it myself. The closest thing I ever heard to Catholic bashing was from my mom and that was because she was pissed at the Church for insisting she crank out babies when doing so was damn near killing her. (She had two very difficult births, me and my sister, and two miscarriages and then she said enough is enough.)

I split from the Church when I was a 15, never having felt connected to it beyond having to go to mass and catechism, and headed East and got into yoga. Since a cardinal note to my particular path was that all religions were ultimately one and Christ was a central feature of our teachings and considered one of our gurus, I never went through the Catholic/Protestant schism directly. I saw the saints as Christian yogis and Christ as an avatar (before that term was corrupted and hijacked for wallpaper usage) so it was a take far from the usual dynamic.

BlueMoonJoe

sad_eyed_lady
The first time I ever heard any Catholic bashing was on a Christian radio program. I was shocked, really shocked, because I never heard any Catholic priest, nun, deacon or lay cathecist talk negatively against the Protestant Church. It is a church that isn't into condemnation. The only thing I learned about Protestantism is that they do not believe in the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

Welcome to ATS and find out we are illuminati, worshiping Mary and worse. I have tried to clear up a few misconceptions, but find it is a hard sell.

I did go to Catholic grade school and attended Mass daily and Catholic High School, but I also walked away from the Church as a teen, no specific reason. I must honestly say that I did not take it's teaching to heart in following the basic requirements of the faith. That changed in my late 20s. Heck, I was a kid who knew more than they did. I did fasten the scripture reading to my soul with whoops of steel. I love Jesus and never doubted in His Divinity.

I grew up in an working class neighborhood right outside Philadelphia. There were 70 houses on my block and every family was Catholic with the exception of two Protestant families. Like you I never heard any Catholic bashing (or Protestant bashing for that matter). I didn't really know what made a Protestant a Protestant beyond my friend Stevie saying that he was Orange instead of Green. Whatever that meant, it was never clear and made no sense to me. He was a central figure in our little clan, so it certainly didn't trickle down to our day to day experience and he was as much a part of us as anyone.

It wasn't until much later that I came to understand that there were people that really didn't like Catholics, but I'd never run into them personally so I never experienced it myself. The closest thing I ever heard to Catholic bashing was from my mom and that was because she was pissed at the Church for insisting she crank out babies when doing so was damn near killing her. (She had two very difficult births, me and my sister, and two miscarriages and then she said enough is enough.)

I split from the Church when I was a 15, never having felt connected to it beyond having to go to mass and catechism, and headed East and got into yoga. Since a cardinal note to my particular path was that all religions were ultimately one and Christ was a central feature of our teachings and considered one of our gurus, I never went through the Catholic/Protestant schism directly. I saw the saints as Christian yogis and Christ as an avatar (before that term was corrupted and hijacked for wallpaper usage) so it was a take far from the usual dynamic.

"Cranking out"...? God says children are a blessing. God bless your dear mother and aren't you happy, your parents didn't choose to contracept/abort you from being born? My mother had four miscarriages and six children.

The period of time to conceive is only a few days out of the month, the divine plan. God made sex for procreation AND Marriage.

As you shared, you didn't really know the faith, why, hardly any or bad catechesis for two almost three generations now and it is easier to leave the faith than to practice it. There is NO God given grace in non-Christian Yoga BlueMoon. You gotta come back, you were given the pearl. Start talking to Our Lord and Mary in prayer every day even for a short time. Go make a good Confession, then return to Sunday Mass and receive Our Lord. I absolutely know you can do the underlined. It will make you happy, you'll feel God's presence. Tell the priest at Confession, you have been away. How pleased he will
be to help you make a good Confession if you're hesitant about going to Confession.

Prayers for your coming home.

I split from the Church when I was a 15, never having felt connected to it beyond having to go to mass and catechism, and headed East and got into yoga. Since a cardinal note to my particular path was that all religions were ultimately one and Christ was a central feature of our teachings and considered one of our gurus, I never went through the Catholic/Protestant schism directly. I saw the saints as Christian yogis and Christ as an avatar (before that term was corrupted and hijacked for wallpaper usage) so it was a take far from the usual dynamic.

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Hello again.

In Mere Christianity, C.S. Lewis wrote: “A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said wouldn’t be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic on the level of a man who says he’s a poached egg—or else he would be the devil of hell; you must take your choice. Either this was, and is, the Son of God, or else a mad man or something worse. You can shut Him up for a demon, or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But don’t come up with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great moral teacher. He hasn’t left that alternative open to us. He did not intend to.”

BlueMoonJoe

Prezbo369

[No. I'm asking you how you have proved that miracles and answered prayer don't exist.]

They've never been shown to exist.

As this is a standard article of faith amongst those of the materialist creed, I am going to assume that you are a believer. May I ask upon what authority you deem it to rest and how you arrived at that determination?

I'm as sure about gods, ghouls and ghosts as I am there being no Santa. Is it possible I am completely wrong and there's a supernatural realm filled with gods ghouls and ghosts? sure. Is it likely? no.

As I do not share your belief in the materialist creed, perhaps you could help me gain some understanding. I do understand the yearning for such a faith, as well as the succor it provides. Yet, try as I might, I have never been able to fully embrace its tenets, given the paucity of evidence. Hence, I have not been able to make the necessary leap of faith.

For your discernment. I hope others here will read it as well.

Materialism

Excerpt pertaining to the question you asked of another poster:

The philosophic world view of materialism first appeared in the writings of Democritus (460-360 b.c.), who was called “the Father of Materialism.”2 He stated as his creed, “Everything that is, is made of atoms.” As the first true materialist, he denied that the atoms were acted upon by forces such as “mind,” “love,” and “hate.”

You might find this interesting as well:

Catholic Encyclopedia (1913)/Matter

reply to post by colbe

The period of time to conceive is only a few days out of the month, the divine plan. God made sex for procreation AND Marriage.

Well then, it seems that "God's divine plan" for sex, includes just having fun for at least part of the time, and avoiding sex during "fertile" periods is no sin at all!

I am one of nine and my mother had two miscarriages. Back in the days before Natural Family Planning, Catholics used the 'rhythm method' which was based on abstaining from sex mid-cycle. Of course, not everyone is on an 28 day cycle so it was not a sure bet if you were trying to plan your children’s' birth or prevent a pregnancy.

With the advancement of science the ability to know when you were approaching ovulation allowed spouses the opportunity to plan their family.

As one who had extremely irregular menstrual cycles (one or two periods a year) I was able to have children by knowing when I was fertile. I used the Billings Method explained to me by a nun who taught NFP. If I did not have this knowledge I would not have two sons today.

To say that the Church is forcing women to have children against their will is not really the case.

A deceased friend of mine who was born around 1918 had fractured her pelvis in a bike accident as a kid and it did not heal properly. Sadly, she suffered a long labor that ended in stillbirth. She and her husband abstained from intercourse for the remainder of their married life.

I just share her story because what people have done for centuries to prevent pregnancies and some still do (abstain from sex) is not a popular idea.

I just wanted to clarify that this post:

Serdgiam
I think the difference in religions comes in when using scripture to verify specific trains of thought. In that, I was hoping to see if there is any difference in the scriptures used to ascribe certain attributes to God.

Omnipresence is a tricky one to me. While it is an attribute that I determined outside of scripture, it is one that supposedly aligns with it. But, there are some issues that arise when taking this term literally, but Im not sure there is another way to interpret such an attribute!

Was meant for the entire thread and its Catholic participants. If anyone has had a discussion with me before, they are probably aware that such a simple question may be indicative of a longer line of questions.

It is easily discarded when approached in the typical Q&A fashion, however, there is a deeper implication that most religions do not approach. And its conclusions reach outside of doctrine, not to mention the disparity that exists between interpretations in the first place.

So, by learning how Catholics approach the quandary, I can better understand where individuals are coming from on it! And by learning what scriptures ARE used, it can help as well. None of that understanding has been provided as of yet (though I am sure someone actually wanting scripture is a bit of an anomaly!).

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I was taught that God's greatest attribute is His mercy which precedes His justice. This would be in regards to his relationship with man, of course. Truthfully, this is something I am pulling out of a foggy corner of my mind.

If anyone here was taught something different. I would like to hear it.

DIVES IN MISERICORDIA


The Nature and Attributes of God

Cathecism of the Catholic Church
If you go to the "God" heading and scroll down to: "titles and attributes of God" you will be able to read the teaching of the Church on this.

Under the Heading "Love" check out: "God as revealed love" and "God's love" you may find it interesting and hopefully answers some of your questions.

If you are asking for scriptural backing and not Catholic theology of His attributes this looks to be a good source for reference, not claiming it's Catholic, but like another poster said Catholics and Protestants seem to be basically the same.
THE ATTRIBUTES OF GOD (Scripture Study)

Edited to add that my last statement was soley based on my perception. I have never been Protestant so I should not have assumed this is true. If you find anything in the Catholic links I provided that disputes this I would be interested to know if my assumption is wrong.

sad_eyed_lady

Back in the days before Natural Family Planning, Catholics used the 'rhythm method'

Reminds me of the old joke.

What is the technical term for a woman who relies on the rhythm method?

Mom.

To say that the Church is forcing women to have children against their will is not really the case.

I cannot speak for today, but back in the late 50's when my mother was going through this, she was pretty much told that it was her duty to keep having kids even if it presented grave danger to her. I don't know the details, but she just wasn't built for birthin' bairns. As it was, it was something of a miracle that I survived my horror show entrance into the world, or that she did. I was a premie that popped out at 5 1/2 months and was so tenuous that my mom was told not to name "it."

She took one more shot after me and it was a miscarriage, so after that she said no mas and was going to use birth control. It was apparently quite a big deal at the time. In no way could my mom be described as a particularly brave woman, but in that instance she was. The authority of the Church was real back then, and for this little hausfrau to stand up to them and say "no" was something.

Things are very different today.

sad_eyed_lady

For your discernment. I hope others here will read it as well.

Materialism

Thank you, but like I said, I don't share the materialist faith, so you are speaking to the choir in my case.

I am begging all to watch this. This is our faith.

Catholic Mass Music Video

I hope you have good speakers. This video is priceless.

Inside Out Lyrics

colbe
"Cranking out"...? God says children are a blessing. God bless your dear mother and aren't you happy, your parents didn't choose to contracept/abort you from being born?

Many's the day where I would not have argued had she done so.

As you shared, you didn't really know the faith, why, hardly any or bad catechesis for two almost three generations now and it is easier to leave the faith than to practice it.

I know that what was being taught to me was not resonant at all. Few things have left such a bad taste in my mouth as my hours with the nuns in cathechism. Time was indeed relative and it was decidedly at the hot stove end of the Einstein's illustration, where a minute felt like an hour.

There is NO God given grace in non-Christian Yoga BlueMoon.

No? I am most eager to hear you expand and clarify this statement and upon what basis you make it.

You gotta come back, you were given the pearl. Start talking to Our Lord and Mary in prayer every day even for a short time.

Not sure why you assumed I stopped talking to God in prayer, but the mention of Mary does complicate matters touched upon in this thread, doesn't it? Whether she is divine or not, worshiped or merely venerated, these seem to be points of contention between Catholics and Protestants. But as a yogi, it was never a problem, as the concept of God as the Divine Mother was established long before the advent of Christianity. The notion that Mary was elevated to venerable status as a way to bring Goddess worship back into the fold is a well-known idea.

Go make a good Confession, then return to Sunday Mass and receive Our Lord. I absolutely know you can do the underlined. It will make you happy, you'll feel God's presence. Tell the priest at Confession, you have been away. How pleased he will be to help you make a good Confession if you're hesitant about going to Confession.

Ok, right next to the nuns and cathechism on that hot stove was the confessional.

I haven't the foggiest what would comprise a good confession, but I know that the idea in no way resonates and I can't see confessing my sins to a priest has any bearing on anything between me and God. Scandalous, sure, but that's a large part of why the split happened, isn't it?

BlueMoonJoe

sad_eyed_lady

Back in the days before Natural Family Planning, Catholics used the 'rhythm method'

Reminds me of the old joke.

What is the technical term for a woman who relies on the rhythm method?

Mom.

To say that the Church is forcing women to have children against their will is not really the case.

I cannot speak for today, but back in the late 50's when my mother was going through this, she was pretty much told that it was her duty to keep having kids even if it presented grave danger to her. I don't know the details, but she just wasn't built for birthin' bairns. As it was, it was something of a miracle that I survived my horror show entrance into the world, or that she did. I was a premie that popped out at 5 1/2 months and was so tenuous that my mom was told not to name "it."

She took one more shot after me and it was a miscarriage, so after that she said no mas and was going to use birth control. It was apparently quite a big deal at the time. In no way could my mom be described as a particularly brave woman, but in that instance she was. The authority of the Church was real back then, and for this little hausfrau to stand up to them and say "no" was something.

Things are very different today.

I understand.
Believe me, I do.