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crazyewok
reply to post by beckybecky
Classic tactic of the crazy ignorant fool evade the question.
What are your qualifications?
Me? BSc (Hons) in Biosciences with Advanced modules in Microbiology and Immunology.
Plus a HND in Laboratory Technology and Biotechnology.
crazyewok
reply to post by beckybecky
See you deflect AGAIN!
What are you qulifications?
As for board rooms and marketing ? What the hell are you smoking or cant you read! My qualifications are direct with Vaccines! I never did managemnet I worked direct in the lab. I knew every stage of production I knew the results of clinical tests. Fancy men in suits have nothing to do with it. Hell most us lab rats thought them idiots anyway.
Ignorance is predictabaleedit on 23-10-2013 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)
crazyewok
reply to post by beckybecky
Again what is your education background you keep delfecting?
And yes Pharma company get up to some dirty tricks. Though reasearch fraud is rarer than you think as it pretty damed hard to do as there is so much quality control it hard to pass anything. I saw a whole departmet sacked once for not useingt the right sort of water to clean stuff with, that how annal that side is.
Fact although there are some vaccines of queationble worth like the Flu and HPV there are plenty more that DO work.
beckybecky
crazyewok
reply to post by beckybecky
Again what is your education background you keep delfecting?
And yes Pharma company get up to some dirty tricks. Though reasearch fraud is rarer than you think as it pretty damed hard to do as there is so much quality control it hard to pass anything. I saw a whole departmet sacked once for not useingt the right sort of water to clean stuff with, that how annal that side is.
Fact although there are some vaccines of queationble worth like the Flu and HPV there are plenty more that DO work.
why are so obsessed with my education background?
and why would you believe what i said anyway?
i mean i could easily lie could i not/
however i can say that my education background is much more diverse then your and is real world unlike the ivory towers you inhabit.where are you qualifications in marketing,sales,public relations,statistics,politics ? these are real world subjects.
you may have "good intentions" but the road to hell is paved with these.
a check on research papers found 80% to be fake,fraudulent,plagiarized ,or impossible to reproduce.
80%.
and guess what more news about your darling big pharma:-
www.nytimes.com...
The drug maker GlaxoSmithKline reported Wednesday that its third-quarter earnings were badly battered by slumping product sales in China, a country where it faces a continuing bribery investigation. Chinese investigators have said that Glaxo participated in a widespread bribery and corruption scheme in which the company used travel agencies to funnel illegal payments to doctors and government officials to bolster drug sales. Several pharmaceutical companies have been ensnared by the investigation...Last year, Glaxo paid a $3 billion fine in the United States after it admitted that it had improperly promoted its antidepressants and failed to report safety data about the diabetes drug Avandia.
enough said.
beckybecky
why are so obsessed with my education background?
and why would you believe what i said anyway?
i mean i could easily lie could i not/
however i can say that my education background is much more diverse then your and is real world unlike the ivory towers you inhabit.where are you qualifications in marketing,sales,public relations,statistics,politics ? these are real world subjects.
beckybecky
a check on research papers found 80% to be fake,fraudulent,plagiarized ,or impossible to reproduce.
80%.
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Microbiologist
beckybecky
why are so obsessed with my education background?
and why would you believe what i said anyway?
i mean i could easily lie could i not/
however i can say that my education background is much more diverse then your and is real world unlike the ivory towers you inhabit.where are you qualifications in marketing,sales,public relations,statistics,politics ? these are real world subjects.
The point, as I understand it, is that one needs a strong background in science and/or medicine (in this case, especially immunology, microbiology, and laboratory scientific research) to be able fully understand scientific papers about vaccines and their side effects and to make reasonable judgments about what claims are supported by strong evidence.
Having a background in sales, marketing, public relations, or politics is completely irrelevant to the SCIENCE behind vaccines (which is the only part of the equation that ultimately matters). An understanding of statistics is fairly important if one wants to get into an academic argument about vaccines, but this thread is far from an academic argument.
beckybecky
a check on research papers found 80% to be fake,fraudulent,plagiarized ,or impossible to reproduce.
80%.
What is your source on this? Yes, there is some level of fraud and error in science, which is why reputable journals require extensive peer review and nothing in science is accepted as being true until it has been repeated, often multiple times. But I have never heard anything close to 80% and find that very, very difficult to even begin to believe. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and you didn't provide that evidence.
Ironically enough, probably the most famous case of scientific fraud in modern times is actually the paper by Andrew Wakefield that set off the whole 'vaccines and autism' debate in the first place. It has since been discredited countless times and yet, for some strange reason, remains one of the very few 'scientific' studies that anti-vaccine advocates will accept as correct and true.
beckybecky
Microbiologist
beckybecky
why are so obsessed with my education background?
and why would you believe what i said anyway?
i mean i could easily lie could i not/
however i can say that my education background is much more diverse then your and is real world unlike the ivory towers you inhabit.where are you qualifications in marketing,sales,public relations,statistics,politics ? these are real world subjects.
The point, as I understand it, is that one needs a strong background in science and/or medicine (in this case, especially immunology, microbiology, and laboratory scientific research) to be able fully understand scientific papers about vaccines and their side effects and to make reasonable judgments about what claims are supported by strong evidence.
Having a background in sales, marketing, public relations, or politics is completely irrelevant to the SCIENCE behind vaccines (which is the only part of the equation that ultimately matters). An understanding of statistics is fairly important if one wants to get into an academic argument about vaccines, but this thread is far from an academic argument.
beckybecky
a check on research papers found 80% to be fake,fraudulent,plagiarized ,or impossible to reproduce.
80%.
What is your source on this? Yes, there is some level of fraud and error in science, which is why reputable journals require extensive peer review and nothing in science is accepted as being true until it has been repeated, often multiple times. But I have never heard anything close to 80% and find that very, very difficult to even begin to believe. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and you didn't provide that evidence.
Ironically enough, probably the most famous case of scientific fraud in modern times is actually the paper by Andrew Wakefield that set off the whole 'vaccines and autism' debate in the first place. It has since been discredited countless times and yet, for some strange reason, remains one of the very few 'scientific' studies that anti-vaccine advocates will accept as correct and true.
you seem to be fairly cold blooded.do you have a family?
any relations..are you a robot?
or cuddle a bundle of greenbacks
well you can google the sources since you trust me but only big pharma mouthpieces.
some of sources are very recent as last 2 weeks.about fraud being found in most research.due to pressure to publish.and how hard it is to replicate the findings.
but here is just one.
what do you say to that?
www.wellsphere.com...edit on 24-10-2013 by beckybecky because: (no reason given)
Pardon?
beckybecky
Microbiologist
beckybecky
why are so obsessed with my education background?
and why would you believe what i said anyway?
i mean i could easily lie could i not/
however i can say that my education background is much more diverse then your and is real world unlike the ivory towers you inhabit.where are you qualifications in marketing,sales,public relations,statistics,politics ? these are real world subjects.
The point, as I understand it, is that one needs a strong background in science and/or medicine (in this case, especially immunology, microbiology, and laboratory scientific research) to be able fully understand scientific papers about vaccines and their side effects and to make reasonable judgments about what claims are supported by strong evidence.
Having a background in sales, marketing, public relations, or politics is completely irrelevant to the SCIENCE behind vaccines (which is the only part of the equation that ultimately matters). An understanding of statistics is fairly important if one wants to get into an academic argument about vaccines, but this thread is far from an academic argument.
beckybecky
a check on research papers found 80% to be fake,fraudulent,plagiarized ,or impossible to reproduce.
80%.
What is your source on this? Yes, there is some level of fraud and error in science, which is why reputable journals require extensive peer review and nothing in science is accepted as being true until it has been repeated, often multiple times. But I have never heard anything close to 80% and find that very, very difficult to even begin to believe. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and you didn't provide that evidence.
Ironically enough, probably the most famous case of scientific fraud in modern times is actually the paper by Andrew Wakefield that set off the whole 'vaccines and autism' debate in the first place. It has since been discredited countless times and yet, for some strange reason, remains one of the very few 'scientific' studies that anti-vaccine advocates will accept as correct and true.
you seem to be fairly cold blooded.do you have a family?
any relations..are you a robot?
or cuddle a bundle of greenbacks
well you can google the sources since you trust me but only big pharma mouthpieces.
some of sources are very recent as last 2 weeks.about fraud being found in most research.due to pressure to publish.and how hard it is to replicate the findings.
but here is just one.
what do you say to that?
www.wellsphere.com...edit on 24-10-2013 by beckybecky because: (no reason given)
And there's no fraud in the "studies" championed by anti-vaxxers is there?
As mentioned above, the study which started it all off was fraudulent and unethical from start to finish and they've carried this on with some of the most ridiculous and scientifically dishonest "studies" I've ever had the misfortune to read.
And why do they do this?
It's pretty obvious isn't it?
They're all on the payroll of litigation lawyers and are on the anti-vax speaker circuit which I believe is VERY lucrative indeed.
Have you seen Andrew Wakefield's mansion in Texas (where else)? Not bad for a failed doctor eh?
briandeer.com...
Like I said, two wrongs don't make a right but if your whole argument rests upon corruption in pharma well you're going down the wrong creek.
Without a paddle.
beckybecky
A new Dutch study shows that flu vaccines prevent children from building their natural immunity, specifically to other flu viruses. By comparison, a natural infection induces cross-immunity. This means that regularly vaccinated kids are sitting ducks in a pandemic - because they haven't built up their immunity.
Annual vaccination against influenza hampers development of virus-specific CD8+ T cell immunity in children
Infection with seasonal influenza A viruses induces immunity to potentially pandemic influenza A viruses of other subtypes (heterosubtypic immunity). …annual influenza vaccination …hampers the development of virus-specific CD8+ T cell responses...
jvi.asm.org...
beckybecky
Pardon?
beckybecky
Microbiologist
beckybecky
why are so obsessed with my education background?
and why would you believe what i said anyway?
i mean i could easily lie could i not/
however i can say that my education background is much more diverse then your and is real world unlike the ivory towers you inhabit.where are you qualifications in marketing,sales,public relations,statistics,politics ? these are real world subjects.
The point, as I understand it, is that one needs a strong background in science and/or medicine (in this case, especially immunology, microbiology, and laboratory scientific research) to be able fully understand scientific papers about vaccines and their side effects and to make reasonable judgments about what claims are supported by strong evidence.
Having a background in sales, marketing, public relations, or politics is completely irrelevant to the SCIENCE behind vaccines (which is the only part of the equation that ultimately matters). An understanding of statistics is fairly important if one wants to get into an academic argument about vaccines, but this thread is far from an academic argument.
beckybecky
a check on research papers found 80% to be fake,fraudulent,plagiarized ,or impossible to reproduce.
80%.
What is your source on this? Yes, there is some level of fraud and error in science, which is why reputable journals require extensive peer review and nothing in science is accepted as being true until it has been repeated, often multiple times. But I have never heard anything close to 80% and find that very, very difficult to even begin to believe. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and you didn't provide that evidence.
Ironically enough, probably the most famous case of scientific fraud in modern times is actually the paper by Andrew Wakefield that set off the whole 'vaccines and autism' debate in the first place. It has since been discredited countless times and yet, for some strange reason, remains one of the very few 'scientific' studies that anti-vaccine advocates will accept as correct and true.
you seem to be fairly cold blooded.do you have a family?
any relations..are you a robot?
or cuddle a bundle of greenbacks
well you can google the sources since you trust me but only big pharma mouthpieces.
some of sources are very recent as last 2 weeks.about fraud being found in most research.due to pressure to publish.and how hard it is to replicate the findings.
but here is just one.
what do you say to that?
www.wellsphere.com...edit on 24-10-2013 by beckybecky because: (no reason given)
And there's no fraud in the "studies" championed by anti-vaxxers is there?
As mentioned above, the study which started it all off was fraudulent and unethical from start to finish and they've carried this on with some of the most ridiculous and scientifically dishonest "studies" I've ever had the misfortune to read.
And why do they do this?
It's pretty obvious isn't it?
They're all on the payroll of litigation lawyers and are on the anti-vax speaker circuit which I believe is VERY lucrative indeed.
Have you seen Andrew Wakefield's mansion in Texas (where else)? Not bad for a failed doctor eh?
briandeer.com...
Like I said, two wrongs don't make a right but if your whole argument rests upon corruption in pharma well you're going down the wrong creek.
Without a paddle.
once again you are trying to hide corruption.vaxxers are protected by law passed by crooks in congress who were bribed by big pharma.
more proof from the dutch against vaccines.
you must be crying in your beer by now.every attempt by you is failing.the truth is against you.even your big pharma sponser must be having doubts about you.i know you will be kneeling before his picture above your bedroom wall.
A new Dutch study shows that flu vaccines prevent children from building their natural immunity, specifically to other flu viruses. By comparison, a natural infection induces cross-immunity. This means that regularly vaccinated kids are sitting ducks in a pandemic - because they haven't built up their immunity.
Annual vaccination against influenza hampers development of virus-specific CD8+ T cell immunity in children
Infection with seasonal influenza A viruses induces immunity to potentially pandemic influenza A viruses of other subtypes (heterosubtypic immunity). …annual influenza vaccination …hampers the development of virus-specific CD8+ T cell responses...
jvi.asm.org...
opopanax
Adding onto my previous post, it's interesting to note that the aforementioned Dutch study was published in the American Society for Microbiology's Journal of Virology, a leading journal in its field, and has since been cited by a number of other scholarly articles. It hasn't been "covered up." The authors don't seem to have been taken out by "Big Pharma" hitmen.
Pardon?
beckybecky
Pardon?
beckybecky
Microbiologist
beckybecky
why are so obsessed with my education background?
and why would you believe what i said anyway?
i mean i could easily lie could i not/
however i can say that my education background is much more diverse then your and is real world unlike the ivory towers you inhabit.where are you qualifications in marketing,sales,public relations,statistics,politics ? these are real world subjects.
The point, as I understand it, is that one needs a strong background in science and/or medicine (in this case, especially immunology, microbiology, and laboratory scientific research) to be able fully understand scientific papers about vaccines and their side effects and to make reasonable judgments about what claims are supported by strong evidence.
Having a background in sales, marketing, public relations, or politics is completely irrelevant to the SCIENCE behind vaccines (which is the only part of the equation that ultimately matters). An understanding of statistics is fairly important if one wants to get into an academic argument about vaccines, but this thread is far from an academic argument.
beckybecky
a check on research papers found 80% to be fake,fraudulent,plagiarized ,or impossible to reproduce.
80%.
What is your source on this? Yes, there is some level of fraud and error in science, which is why reputable journals require extensive peer review and nothing in science is accepted as being true until it has been repeated, often multiple times. But I have never heard anything close to 80% and find that very, very difficult to even begin to believe. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and you didn't provide that evidence.
Ironically enough, probably the most famous case of scientific fraud in modern times is actually the paper by Andrew Wakefield that set off the whole 'vaccines and autism' debate in the first place. It has since been discredited countless times and yet, for some strange reason, remains one of the very few 'scientific' studies that anti-vaccine advocates will accept as correct and true.
you seem to be fairly cold blooded.do you have a family?
any relations..are you a robot?
or cuddle a bundle of greenbacks
well you can google the sources since you trust me but only big pharma mouthpieces.
some of sources are very recent as last 2 weeks.about fraud being found in most research.due to pressure to publish.and how hard it is to replicate the findings.
but here is just one.
what do you say to that?
www.wellsphere.com...edit on 24-10-2013 by beckybecky because: (no reason given)
And there's no fraud in the "studies" championed by anti-vaxxers is there?
As mentioned above, the study which started it all off was fraudulent and unethical from start to finish and they've carried this on with some of the most ridiculous and scientifically dishonest "studies" I've ever had the misfortune to read.
And why do they do this?
It's pretty obvious isn't it?
They're all on the payroll of litigation lawyers and are on the anti-vax speaker circuit which I believe is VERY lucrative indeed.
Have you seen Andrew Wakefield's mansion in Texas (where else)? Not bad for a failed doctor eh?
briandeer.com...
Like I said, two wrongs don't make a right but if your whole argument rests upon corruption in pharma well you're going down the wrong creek.
Without a paddle.
once again you are trying to hide corruption.vaxxers are protected by law passed by crooks in congress who were bribed by big pharma.
more proof from the dutch against vaccines.
you must be crying in your beer by now.every attempt by you is failing.the truth is against you.even your big pharma sponser must be having doubts about you.i know you will be kneeling before his picture above your bedroom wall.
A new Dutch study shows that flu vaccines prevent children from building their natural immunity, specifically to other flu viruses. By comparison, a natural infection induces cross-immunity. This means that regularly vaccinated kids are sitting ducks in a pandemic - because they haven't built up their immunity.
Annual vaccination against influenza hampers development of virus-specific CD8+ T cell immunity in children
Infection with seasonal influenza A viruses induces immunity to potentially pandemic influenza A viruses of other subtypes (heterosubtypic immunity). …annual influenza vaccination …hampers the development of virus-specific CD8+ T cell responses...
jvi.asm.org...
How am I trying to hide corruption?
As well as agreeing with you about corruption in pharma I've pointed out that it's widespread in "natural health too.
beckybecky
opopanax
Adding onto my previous post, it's interesting to note that the aforementioned Dutch study was published in the American Society for Microbiology's Journal of Virology, a leading journal in its field, and has since been cited by a number of other scholarly articles. It hasn't been "covered up." The authors don't seem to have been taken out by "Big Pharma" hitmen.
The study is in Dutch and very few people read Dutch so they it remained invisable.i mean do you read bulgarian?
beckybecky
opopanax
Adding onto my previous post, it's interesting to note that the aforementioned Dutch study was published in the American Society for Microbiology's Journal of Virology, a leading journal in its field, and has since been cited by a number of other scholarly articles. It hasn't been "covered up." The authors don't seem to have been taken out by "Big Pharma" hitmen.
The study is in Dutch and very few people read Dutch so they it remained invisable.i mean do you read bulgarian?
wmd_2008
beckybecky
opopanax
Adding onto my previous post, it's interesting to note that the aforementioned Dutch study was published in the American Society for Microbiology's Journal of Virology, a leading journal in its field, and has since been cited by a number of other scholarly articles. It hasn't been "covered up." The authors don't seem to have been taken out by "Big Pharma" hitmen.
The study is in Dutch and very few people read Dutch so they it remained invisable.i mean do you read bulgarian?
ENGLISH is the universal language for science technology and others if you had made an effort you would have found it in English!!!
beckybecky
Then why are papers published in Russian and and Japanese?
English is generally considered to be the lingua franca of the scientific community. For example, roughly 80% of all the journals indexed in Scopus are published in English. The adoption of English as the universal language of science is due in part to historical political and economic factors which favored English over other potential candidate languages such as Chinese, French, German, Russian, or Spanish.