Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake - PART 2

reply to post by matadoor


Why do you not come to visit us,
we are still not glowing, do not die and not located Godzilla yet

You can visit the surroundings of F'Shima, eat Seafood
and collect Samples, after your Holiday i will pay
the Laboratory and we will analyze your accumulated Dosage!

We can also take Blood samples from the Children here
and you look for discrepancies in the Number of White- or Red Cells!

Japan is not a Banana Country like so many of the noisy ones
where they can hijack 4 Planes, kill 3.000 People in two Buildings
and start Wars (with killings of more than 1.000.000 Human Souls)
in many Countries and none of their Citizens react even a tiny bit

As i said i invite you and pay the Laboratory for your final Check!

Human0815
reply to post by matadoor

 

Why do you not come to visit us,
we are still not glowing, do not die and not located Godzilla yet

You can visit the surroundings of F'Shima, eat Seafood
and collect Samples, after your Holiday i will pay
the Laboratory and we will analyze your accumulated Dosage!

We can also take Blood samples from the Children here
and you look for discrepancies in the Number of White- or Red Cells!

Japan is not a Banana Country like so many of the noisy ones
where they can hijack 4 Planes, kill 3.000 People in two Buildings
and start Wars (with killings of more than 1.000.000 Human Souls)
in many Countries and none of their Citizens react even a tiny bit

As i said i invite you and pay the Laboratory for your final Check!

Thanks, but if I wanted to kill myself, I would choose a much faster method than slow agony followed by a prolonged death spiral, that would be completely covered up because such things don't happen.

reply to post by matadoor


Okay, when this satisfy you

Taro Yamamoto is still really good, have a read:
Fukushima taboo? Politician draws Japanese Emperor into nuclear controversy

An anti-nuclear lawmaker broke a taboo, drawing heavy criticism in Japan, by handing the Emperor a letter of concern over the issue of the growing Fukushima radiation and the impact on children’s health.

Taro Yamamoto, an independent lawmaker at the Tokyo prefecture in the House of Councilors, the upper house of the Japanese parliament, personally handed the letter to Emperor Akihito during a party at the Akasaka Palace’s imperial garden on Thursday.

The vocal anti-nuclear activist said that he wanted to inform the Emperor “directly” of the crisis at the Fukushima nuclear plant north of Tokyo. The Tohoku earthquake that hit off Japan’s Pacific coast in March 2011 triggered a tsunami that damaged nuclear reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi.

Since then the plant has been leaking radioactivity leading to the evacuation of more than 150 000 people. The land surrounding the plant has been off-limits due to high radiation that can cause cancer and other health problems. .

Source

Human0815
reply to post by matadoor

 

Why do you not come to visit us,
we are still not glowing, do not die and not located Godzilla yet

You can visit the surroundings of F'Shima, eat Seafood
and collect Samples, after your Holiday i will pay
the Laboratory and we will analyze your accumulated Dosage!

We can also take Blood samples from the Children here
and you look for discrepancies in the Number of White- or Red Cells!

Japan is not a Banana Country like so many of the noisy ones
where they can hijack 4 Planes, kill 3.000 People in two Buildings
and start Wars (with killings of more than 1.000.000 Human Souls)
in many Countries and none of their Citizens react even a tiny bit

As i said i invite you and pay the Laboratory for your final Check!

Oh wait, I didn't get the USA slams that were embedded in that one.

I have no idea what any of the data you vomited out on your thread here has anything to do with the situation at hand, which is the classic example of a company representative who is desperately trying to change the subject at ALL COSTS, or slam the person who is posting so that they don't post any more information.

Well, all of us are SEASONED web flamers, so good luck with that.

Post all you want, now that I know who you really are, I won't pay as much attention to anything you post.

reply to post by matadoor


I have stopped paying any attention to the drivel posted by who or whatever is trying to shill for TEPCO or the Japanese government. It is one person trying to put a positive spin on a disaster that is receiving expert coverage from hundreds of sources. All you have to do is look at the condition of the reactors and the buildings plus the amount of spent fuel on site to realize that this tragedy has the potential to end life as we know it in the entire northern hemisphere.

a link to the original thread which shows the #4 fuel pool with loads of debris in it. (page 1235) also this post on page 1267 Most of the Youtube videos of #4SFP have disappeared from the old thread. They are no longer available...we REALLY need to copy these youtube vids to make sure they dont get pulled after any events. So many good ones are gone now. :-(

No amount of "removal of debris by specialised tools" will remove the old bits of concrete and rubbish that fell in there and there is the melted fuel to consider. What will become of that?

Someone said that the normal removal of fuel rods was all done by computer which knew where the rods were placed. With all the earthquakes, tsunamis, and the instability of the underlying ground, I suspect that the origional positions of the fuel rods are no longer valid - even if they have got a new computer-controlled crane and loaded it with these millimetre-accurate positions of the fuel rods.

Human, just give up on us and allow us to believe what we believe. There is nothing you can say, however much 'proof' you give us, that the Tepco version of things is correct. Go somewhere else and try to convice another audience because this one is dedicated to exposing lies and corruption which has been going on in the TEPCO camp for years and years. By continuing to post and by continuing to try to convince us (after all this time) is a waste of your time and that would be better spent elsewhere I feel. Somewhere where you had at least a small chance of altering the opinions of the contributors. By staying here, and keeping on posting this stuff, it really makes you seem like you **are ** the face of TEPCO and spouting their rubbish.

========= Can anyone help please ======
I am looking for an image of the US barge with the white tarpaulins on the deck. I know I have seen it somewhere but cannot find it in the thumbnails in the thread reference (get to the image reference from my post on page 1 of this thread). This barge I seem to remember came and went in the first few days of the disaster and before the freshwater barges arrived. We thought the barges had some type of equipment underneath the white tarps which was shipped out by the US military.

On page 483 we are discussing barges, 729 there is a white tarp, but I think it is on land. There are some really good points made as I re-read the first thread.

OK found some on page 1251 & 1252 and seem to be in relation to the water barges going back after delivering the water to the plant. They are leaving full up with something... and these white tarps on the deck.



sorry, I keep adding bits to this I think may be interesting.

This is a link to a Tepco handout about #4 SFP and the work they did on it in Aug 2012. It gives a good overview of the placement and the structure they have built to support the crane used to remove the fuel. I though it said in there that the support structure does not lean on the reactor #4, but I am worried about the ground not being strong enough to support it either. Anyway, once this is done, maybe they wont need it any more.

qmantoo
a link to the original thread which shows the #4 fuel pool with loads of debris in it. (page 1235) Most of the Youtube videos of #4SFP have disappeared from the old thread. They are no longer available...we REALLY need to copy these youtube vids to make sure they dont get pulled after any events. So many good ones are gone now. :-(

No amount of "removal of debris by specialised tools" will remove the old bits of concrete and rubbish that fell in there and there is the melted fuel to consider. What will become of that?

Someone said that the normal removal of fuel rods was all done by computer which knew where the rods were placed. With all the earthquakes, tsunamis, and the instability of the underlying ground, I suspect that the origional positions of the fuel rods are no longer valid - even if they have got a new computer-controlled crane and loaded it with these millimetre-accurate positions of the fuel rods.

Human, just give up on us and allow us to believe what we believe. There is nothing you can say, however much 'proof' you give us, that the Tepco version of things is correct. Go somewhere else and try to convice another audience because this one is dedicated to exposing lies and corruption which has been going on in the TEPCO camp for years and years. By continuing to post and by continuing to try to convince us (after all this time) is a waste of your time and that would be better spent elsewhere I feel. Somewhere where you had at least a small chance of altering the opinions of the contributors. By staying here, and keeping on posting this stuff, it really makes you seem like you **are ** the face of TEPCO and spouting their rubbish.

========= Can anyone help please ======
I am looking for an image of the US barge with the white tarpaulins on the deck. I know I have seen it somewhere but cannot find it in the thumbnails in the thread reference (get to the image reference from my post on page 1 of this thread). This barge I seem to remember came and went in the first few days of the disaster and before the freshwater barges arrived. We thought the barges had some type of equipment underneath the white tarps which was shipped out by the US military.

On page 483 we are discussing barges, 729 there is a white tarp, but I think it is on land. There are some really good points made as I re-read the first thread.

OK found some on page 1251 & 1252 and seem to be in relation to the water barges going back after delivering the water to the plant. They are leaving full up with something... and these white tarps on the deck.

edit on 31 Oct 2013 by qmantoo because: (no reason given)

I found this video of a Navy Barge heading to Fuk with fresh water.

www.youtube.com...

Purplechive
TEPCO Releases Video of Unit 4 Fuel Removal Process

www.tepco.co.jp...

- Purple Chive

I didn't have enough time this morning to add comments to this video. But has anyone seen a contingency plan should all hell breaks lose if (when) a fuel rod assembly removal goes awry?

The video makes everything look so...."like this is easy as $hit"...

On edit....I'd feel a lot better if they published some sort of contingency plan. If your house catches on fire...do you have some fire extinguishers available....smoke detectors...how far is the nearest fire hydrant?

- Purple Chive

Purplechive

Purplechive
TEPCO Releases Video of Unit 4 Fuel Removal Process

www.tepco.co.jp...

- Purple Chive

I didn't have enough time this morning to add comments to this video. But has anyone seen a contingency plan should all hell breaks lose if (when) a fuel rod assembly removal goes awry?

The video makes everything look so...."like this is easy as $hit"...

- Purple Chive

In a "normal" reactor, a computer is used to insert the fuel, which then knows precisely where each and every rod was placed. So, when they extract them, the computer knows, hey this is where rod #1 is, and extracts it precisely.

This video shows how to extract the fuel in this situation.

As Q has pointed out, the #4 SFP is far from stable, far from being a clean and debris free zone, plus even if the original crane was in place, the computer could not be used because the fuel has been moved or damaged. Oh, and it was cooled with salt water, which erodes the coating on the rods making them even less stable.

So, you have a make shift crane, being operated by humans, trying to recover fuel rods that are not in anything near the conditions they were when inserted into the SFP, and trying to do this without dropping the fuel or allowing the rods to get close enough to start a reaction, which once it starts, can't be controlled nor stopped.

Yeah, nothing can go wrong here.

reply to post by happykat39


I never ever said that the Situation is harmless
and you used a good Word: "the Potential"
Fukushima own the Potential to end our Life as we know it,
i agree with that for 99%
but the Plant share this with nearly 500 other NPS,
Thousands of Gen-Tech Laboratories, Weapon Factories
and Biological Labs which made a lethal Contamination
with Radioactivity look harmless!

Maybe you are not informed well about the Situation
in our World but this is not a playground where you
should play with your lilac Ponies in a Sandpit.

Our Life is based on sacrifices and we destroy our whole Planet
to stay alive, this will continue until a Point of no Return, for sure,
until now, 11.01.13, 03.45 JST. the reason is not F'Shima
but our own need for Luxury, the newest Goods and our Ignorance!

The Situation in Fukushima will never change but we need a Discussion
in and with our whole Society how we continue,
this Discussion can't be based on Lies, wrong Information or Rumors
and this is one of the most important Points.

After Chernobyl exploded we had similar Discussions already but
failed badly because we accepted Liars who tried to win the
Discussion with Lies, some of them are handled
like Heroes in the Anti-Nuclear Movement of today
because many People do not remember this Time of the Eighties
or are to young, this is our last Chance to stop the nuclear Complex
and when we fail again we are lost for sure because the next
big Accident will happen soon!

reply to post by matadoor


Matadoor and everyone, here is today's story on the top-level Japanese review of TEPCO's involvement in the Fukushima Daiichi decomissioning posted in The Guardian:

www.theguardian.com...

The Guardian story basically reiterates what Reuters reported yesterday. Of special interest, however, is the TEPCO animation you can click on, embedded within that Guardian story. Notice that the animation shows the Unit #4 fuel rod container sitting next to a dry cask storage container...it shows the remote crane moving one rod at a time from the fuel pool to the dry cask storage, all of which are underwater. It then shows the following planned stages in the fuel pool unloading...quite interesting.

For any disagreements or differing points of view in this thread, even if you are being insulted, be cool -- because as someone told me a long, long time ago, "Never wrestle with a pig ... you both get all dirty, and the pig ... Likes it."

No news yet from The Bulletin Of The Atomic Scientists ... they are a non-profit, and do not have a tremendous budget for outreach, but they do understand what is at stake with the Unit #4 spent fuel pool unloading.

reply to post by matadoor


I mentioned 9/11 because you wrote this:

I'm not going to let this one pass without responding. The entire issue is, Japanese mind set.Admitting when things are bad. Hell, if the buildings never exploded, no one would most likely even know about the cores melting down, everything would be completely hushed up. We would be completely oblivious to what was going on inside the buildings, and no one would have even been evacuated.
People would still be living next to 3 cores that have melted.The ground water radiation would still be happening, but no one would even know. Here is a really nice blog on what is needed to handle the Spent Fuel Pools.

Japan is not like the USA where some People can take the whole Nation
as a Hostage and everything is going on like nothing ever happened.

Look for yourself first before you try to criticize others

Uphill
reply to post by matadoor

 

Matadoor and everyone, here is today's story on the top-level Japanese review of TEPCO's involvement in the Fukushima Daiichi decomissioning posted in The Guardian:

www.theguardian.com...

The Guardian story basically reiterates what Reuters reported yesterday. Of special interest, however, is the TEPCO animation you can click on, embedded within that Guardian story. Notice that the animation shows the Unit #4 fuel rod container sitting next to a dry cask storage container...it shows the remote crane moving one rod at a time from the fuel pool to the dry cask storage, all of which are underwater. It then shows the following planned stages in the fuel pool unloading...quite interesting.

For any disagreements or differing points of view in this thread, even if you are being insulted, be cool -- because as someone told me a long, long time ago, "Never wrestle with a pig ... you both get all dirty, and the pig ... Likes it."

No news yet from The Bulletin Of The Atomic Scientists ... they are a non-profit, and do not have a tremendous budget for outreach, but they do understand what is at stake with the Unit #4 spent fuel pool unloading.

Thanks for the link. Interesting video. It strikes me as funny that they do not use proper terms. In fact, they call the "cask" a "container." It is even funnier that when reduced to a kindergarten themed animated video they can suggest and possible ELE event is nothing more then crane, drop, truck, safety! The fact that they mentioned withstanding an earthquake suggests to me this is their biggest overall concern. While the building might not move, or move with out falling, the water will slosh, and once released from the holder the fuel will move during a quake or a change in tension on the cable.

I will say this, as a studier of mind controlling practices, the video is well produced. It effectively conveys the idea that not only is this going to be easy, it will be easier then it was before. A lie of course, but this tells effort me they are very concerned about something in the process, either in the tank, or the transport. In the best convincing efforts one produces something that conveys how the want it to be, not how it will be or is. This video is not an explanation as much as it is a wish - does not mean it won't happen that way, but the video is not a "how to" but a "we hope." For comparison one can watch any youtube video on "how to build a fence" and see the difference.

Uphill
reply to post by matadoor

 

Matadoor and everyone, here is today's story on the top-level Japanese review of TEPCO's involvement in the Fukushima Daiichi decomissioning posted in The Guardian:

www.theguardian.com...

The Guardian story basically reiterates what Reuters reported yesterday. Of special interest, however, is the TEPCO animation you can click on, embedded within that Guardian story. Notice that the animation shows the Unit #4 fuel rod container sitting next to a dry cask storage container...it shows the remote crane moving one rod at a time from the fuel pool to the dry cask storage, all of which are underwater. It then shows the following planned stages in the fuel pool unloading...quite interesting.

For any disagreements or differing points of view in this thread, even if you are being insulted, be cool -- because as someone told me a long, long time ago, "Never wrestle with a pig ... you both get all dirty, and the pig ... Likes it."

No news yet from The Bulletin Of The Atomic Scientists ... they are a non-profit, and do not have a tremendous budget for outreach, but they do understand what is at stake with the Unit #4 spent fuel pool unloading.

Wow, that's a great article!!!

Quote from the article:

""It's a totally different operation than removing normal fuel rods from a spent fuel pool," Tanaka said. "They need to be handled extremely carefully and closely monitored. You should never rush or force them out, or they may break. I'm much more worried about this than I am about contaminated water."

Yeah, they have done this thousands of times. Huh?

reply to post by qmantoo


I am pretty sure I have that in my archives. I don't post here much and I will be away from the computer that houses that one for a few days. If no one comes up with it before hand I will gladly post it. I also have the majority of video and photos from the first several months too if that ever becomes hard to come by.

reply to post by matadoor


I got those US slams as soon as I read that post and actually feel that that post should be deleted and/or the member banned! That reference to 9/11 is disrespectful and disgusting!