Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake - PART 2

originally posted by: wishes
I cannot get over the lack of international action on this. Canada (and US?) removed or excused radiation sensors and there is virtually no testing being done by the governments (in North America anyway) other than a rare occasion.

This has always been my biggest complaint in every pollution issue, every anti-logging campaign and every environmental lawsuit I have been a part of. The other side always knew the truth and refused to admit it. However, with Fukushima, knowing the dangers to be so great, their shutting down testing in Japan, Canada and the US was the worst example of this ever. And the public's basic response of "oh well, its old news anyway" was just as bad.

a reply to: wishes

Do you really think the industry 'fears' any of this destruction or they are just letting it unfold for maximum carnage? I cannot get over the lack of international action on this. Canada (and US?) removed or excused radiation sensors and there is virtually no testing being done by the governments (in North America anyway) other than a rare occasion. All these animal die-offs are swept under the rug and nowhere is radiation even whispered as a possible cause or contributor. I can't say for sure radiation 'is' involved in these die-offs, but it would sure be number one on my list of things to check for!

Let us assume for a moment that the industry did tell the truth!

The first repercussion is that the Governments and the world wide agencies would have to admit that there is no viable solution to the problems.

The second repercussion is admitting that much of the problem is related to some very basic design flaws in the reactors. These same reactors are used the world over, with a great many of them currently active and sitting right on top of some of the worst areas on the entire planet for earthquakes.

This is why so much emphases is placed on the Tsunami rather than the earthquake.

You see, most of exact same reactors sit in California so blaming the Tsunami rather than the Eq or the design makes it all OK.

When (not if) the reactors on the US West coast get hit, there will be hell to pay.

The entire Nuclear Industry sits on a house of cards. There is still no way to handle the waste and the industry wants the public to remain unaware of this fact.

It will take another catastrophe before the general public wake up.

Even then, the industry in collusion with Governments will continue to lie there asses off.

Even if you closed down every plant in the entire world, still the problem would remain. The spent / unspent fuel cannot be safely dealt with.

When the big one hits the US West coast, the damage will effect the entire North American Continent and then flow over the entire Northern Hemisphere. It will be a defining event in human history and I cannot see any way to avoid it.

P

a reply to: zworld
No wonder this thread is dead. Based on the facts we know , what your response has in it contains no science elements about how to figure out the truth .

Are you a "good" man , are you an honest man ?, Is what you say about fuku ...well informed.

Science is a collaboration of theories by interaction of individual ideas based on 'observation' from different perspectives, and level of perception ( intelligence ) reporting, and INVESTIGATING events.

Iaea: proven to be liars and criminals and definitely not applying scientific theory at fuku ( at the very least as expressed it obvious public for the FIRST FEW YEARS) .

NRC: proven to be liars and criminals

Jaea : gross pawns and proven liars and criminals

Tepco: pathetic at every event and management level ( since 2011 ) , but a glorious expression of the "need" FOR DISINFORMATION to keep the majority of people ......from having full disclosure .

Why then and why now?

dude , whatever , whomever you are, or do , if you have the insight , you may want to understand , the ONLY reason I post on ATS is unrestricted research, no matter where it leads me ( truth in data).

if you truly understand (yes this is an asshat taunt) the nature of the impact AND IMPETUS of fuku ( both environmental and political, past and future ) tell us what three years from now will bring.

more importantly teach me ( and the world) how fuku effects.....if it does

a reply to: Silverlok

We're still reading along....

Things seem to be getting exponentially worse at Fukushima, and all Roadmaps still indicate "some" R and D required. Any word on new solutions emerging from collective brain trusts?

Thanks all! Appreciate the on-going collaboration.

Well, to further bury the truth, and make it almost impossible to ever find out what happened, just nationalize an entire site making it government property.

ajw.asahi.com...

Ministry to nationalize Fukushima site to bury radioactive waste
June 06, 2015

By YU KOTSUBO/ Staff Writer
FUKUSHIMA--The Environment Ministry said it will nationalize a privately owned site in Fukushima Prefecture to dispose of radioactive waste generated by the 2011 nuclear disaster there.

The decision effectively makes the government responsible for safety of the site.

Environment Minister Yoshio Mochizuki met with Fukushima Governor Masao Uchibori, Tomioka Mayor Koichi Miyamoto and Naraha Mayor Yukiei Matsumoto on June 5, and told them that the government will purchase a site in Tomioka to bury the radioactive waste. A transportation route to the site runs through Naraha.

The material to be buried includes “designated waste,” whose concentration of radioactive materials exceeds 8,000 becquerels per kilogram.

“We made the decision to secure the safety of the project,” Mochizuki said during the meeting held at a Fukushima prefectural government office.

Mochizuki sweetened the deal by pledging to take measures to promote the local economy, including a provision of grants that can be used freely by local governments. The nationalization and the economic promotion measures had been requested by the local governments.

In response to the ministry’s decision, Uchibori called it “an important step.”

Miyamoto added, “I think it was a good decision.”

More at the link.

From the FCUCR archives:



FDA claims no need to test Pacific fish for radioactivity | Alaska Dispatch News

April 16, 2011

North Pacific fish are so unlikely to be contaminated by radioactive material from the crippled nuclear plant in Japan that there's no reason to test them, state and federal officials said this week.

Even with dangerous levels of radiation reported recently just off the coast from the Fukushima reactor complex, the ocean is so huge and Alaska fisheries so far away that there is no realistic threat, said FDA spokeswoman Siobhan DeLancey. The Food and Drug Administration has oversight of the nation's food supplies.

The state's food safety program manager, Ron Klein of the Department of Environmental Conservation, said the FDA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration have demonstrated that Alaskans have no cause for worry.

"Based on the work they're doing, no sampling or monitoring of our fish is necessary," he said.

It's now a little more than a month into the nuclear crisis, and Japanese officials believe they have plugged the major leak that allowed tons of water containing highly radioactive isotopes of iodine and cesium to flow into the sea.

Radiation levels went down after the alarming reports last week that they had risen to millions of times the legal limits, though on Saturday officials said the levels were rising again.

Don't you feel better now? Thank goodness the government is there to protect and serve.

Now, where is that tuna sandwich?

Originally posted by zworld

Was afraid this was gonna start happening...

Yeah, sooner or later. And when they start testing fish caught in the far west Pacific and find radioactivity in them, tuna and other fish stocks in our markets are going to start getting pulled. Six months at best. Stock up now if you can.

Greetings:

... when they start testing fish caught in the far-west Pacific and find radioactivity...

Perhaps this will interest you also:

5 April 2011
Fish Near Fukushima At 4000% Above Codex Alimentarius Limit For Radioactive I-131
— Yet US Says Eating It Poses NO Health Risk

This is just too good.... you can't make this up folks, as no one would believe you.

U.S. public-health officials sought Tuesday to reassure consumers about the safety of food in the U.S., including seafood, amid news that fish contaminated with unusually high levels of radioactive materials had been caught in waters 50 miles from the stricken Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan.

May we bring your attention to the word, "stricken?"

Even though this is only 25 days into the event, the fix is clearly already in.

No contaminated fish have turned up in the U.S., or in U.S. waters, [color=limegreen]according to experts from the Food and Drug Administration, Environmental Protection Agency and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

They expressed confidence that even a single fish sufficiently contaminated to pose a risk to human health would be detected by the U.S. monitoring system.

The FDA, EPA & CDCP "express confidence" that they would detect a single contaminated fish.

Too bad illegals coming through Mexico across our Southern Border aren't "sufficiently contaminated"...

hmmmmmm... wait just a minute...

They also dismissed concerns that eating fish contaminated at the levels seen so far in Japan would pose such a risk.

But, does one think that these talking heads would actually eat any of this fish?

Thomas Frieden, head of the CDC in Atlanta, said he expected continued detection of low levels of radioactive elements in the water, air and food in the U.S. in coming days, but that readings at those levels do not indicate any level of public health concern.
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originally posted by: Silverlok
a reply to: zworld
No wonder this thread is dead. Based on the facts we know , what your response has in it contains no science elements about how to figure out the truth .

Are you a "good" man , are you an honest man ?, Is what you say about fuku ...well informed.

Absolutely speechless. Pretty rare for me too.

originally posted by: pheonix358
Let us assume for a moment that the industry did tell the truth!

The first repercussion is that the Governments and the world wide agencies would have to admit that there is no viable solution to the problems.

The second repercussion is admitting that much of the problem is related to some very basic design flaws in the reactors. These same reactors are used the world over, with a great many of them currently active and sitting right on top of some of the worst areas on the entire planet for earthquakes.
P

Bingo

And the third repercussion is that the heads of the nuke industry and govt lackies have known much of this since day one and have buried it so they could make a boatload of money while putting life itself at risk. When the masses finally wake up to that industry heads will rollllllllllll.

ON EDIT: Just heard from Q who is still fighting the China-Google wall. He's OK though and doing what he does keeping a record of everything as best he can.

sputniknews.com...

Japan’s excessively firm belief in the safety of its nuclear power plants was among the main reasons why the country was unprepared to the Fukushima Daiichi disaster of 2011, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief said Monday.

Fukushima No. 1
© EAST NEWS/ AP/FOTOLINK
TEPCO Close to Completing Radioactive Water Cleanup at Fukushima NPP

VIENNA (Sputnik) – In March 2011, the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant suffered a meltdown of several reactors as a result of a magnitude 9.0 earthquake and subsequent tsunami.
“Before the Fukushima Daiichi accident there was a widespread belief in Japan that Japanese nuclear power plants are very safe and there would never be a severe accident. This belief was one of the reasons why Japan was not well prepared for severe accident,” Yukiya Amano said at a press conference on the sidelines of the meeting of the Agency’s board of governors that kicked off Monday.

More at the link....

Airborne Rads

The north slope face Fukushima No. 1

1st Graph:
www.tepco.co.jp...

The suppressant on unit one must not be that effective....or they fiddled around with something else.

And we all know the accuracy of their readings.

Smile, have a nice day!!!

- Purple Chive

Another series of articles about California die-offs getting worse, this time more sea lions, and another series excluding the word radiation from any of the articles. In one article they even state that they don't consider all possibilities and that doing that, looking at all possibilities, is discouraged. ?. Amazing. All they have to do is look for rads in the tissue yes? Or maybe related effects. Doing nothing, no rad testing, no related research for radiation effects is mind boggling at this point. It may not be the only driver but it's got to be having an effect.

This year they claim the culprit is probably the warm blob off the coast. The only problem is that there was no warm blob in the last three years when the other die-offs occurred.

news.nationalgeographic.com...

And from the "what the hell are they thinking" department, we have this:

www.gizmodo.in...

Should Fukushima's Radioactive Water Just Be Dumped In The Ocean?
Sarah Zhang-, Gawker Media
Jun 9, 2015, 11.30 PM IST

There is no permanent solution for Fukushima's radioactive water, which has been leaking out of storage tanks again and again. Could the best option actually be just letting all into the ocean?

Over at Nautilus, Eliza Strickland has a snappy summary of the problem with Fukushima's radioactive water, which is at 620,000 gallons and counting. This water is used to continuously cool the melted-down reactors, which means the problem is only growing. Storing it in tanks indefinitely is expensive and, as history has demonstrated, not a leak-proof proposition.

So the United Nation's International Atomic Energy Agency has suggested dumping it in the ocean, which is not as cavalier as it might sound on first blush:

More at the link.....

a reply to: matadoor

"There is no permanent solution for Fukushima's radioactive water"

How come they can come to that conclusion but not the same for all the other radiated material including spent fuel. It makes a person want to scream THERE IS NO PERMANENT SOLUTION FOR ANY OF IT!!!!

I guess if they did that then they'd have to admit that all the decommissioning plans are BS and the nuclear genie can never be put back into the bottle. Or more accurately Pandora's demons can never be put back in the box.

The only solution emerging from Fukushima is how those responsible for the man-made nuclear wasteland that will forever remain uninhabitable, intend to stop being liable.

This cannot be allowed.

You don't get to kill part of the planet, obliterate whole communities forever, and bring death to so many for as far into the future as we can count, and just declare it a limited liability mistake. What the nuclear industry, all of them have created is a disaster beyond all proportion that we have no solutions to. Mankind should be a hell of a lot more insistent that all hands be on deck researching and developing new solutions. Those checkbooks better stay wide open Tepco and the Government of Japan and the nuclear industry as a whole. The light is coming for you who have hid this disaster, taking advantage of a false invisibility that radiation once employed.

Do you hear that clock ticking Tepco? You know this story is never going away. Moves like this will blow this story as sky high as the nuclear explosions that took place at Fukushima. Or did you fix the melt downs that are still happening? Did you stop the radioactive water leaks? Did you halt the underground river washing over a nuclear wasteland into our ocean? Have you solved the dilemma of what to do with nuclear waste that is unsafe forever? Is it getting worse? That's the only question that can be answered in the affirmative. It's getting worse and we know it is.

Let's go Tepco...voices are going to rise again. You can't control what is coming anymore than you know how to stop the poison coming out of Fukushima daily, forever.

You don't get to walk away, any of you, until real solutions are found.

Compensation to Fukushima businesses hurt by nuke accident to end in fiscal 2016
Read all about the hit and run coming soon

Gov't may lift most Fukushima evacuation orders by 2017

And read this gem of a strategy

You all are nuts if you think the world is going to let you walk away. People haven't kept this in the media because the reality of no solutions...yet...is almost too much to bear. Almost. But make no mistake...we know what you did, we know what you are trying in vain to hide and it will come back into sharp focus sooner than you can imagine now that your failure to provide any hope for putting out the radioactive fires you have set ablaze is apparent.

Time for Fukushima real talk...again...since you folks in Japan think you've established fair market value for permanent destruction. It's not over. Not even close.

We promise.

a reply to: DancedWithWolves

Excellently stated.

The frustration people feel is because in the face of such insanity they feel powerless. I love your position that we are not only powerful, we are getting prepared to take it to them. In spades. With an attitude.

TEPCO, please read DWWs post and then get ready to kiss your ass goodbye.

Damn that feels good.

I'm shocked, there are details here about the Reagan that I had not seen reported.

www.mvariety.com...

Health in the CNMI: What you are not being told about Fukushima
Print Email 11 Jun 2015 By Russ Mason, M.S.

A LITTLE over four years ago, in March 2011, Fukushima Japan was hit with a devastating earthquake and tsunami. You probably saw the news reports or the devastating videos on YouTube.

As bad as the devastation from the tsunami was, the real problem was that three of the four nuclear reactors at Fukushima Daiichi went into meltdown, releasing clouds of highly toxic, radioactive isotopes, into the atmosphere.


These clouds severely impacted the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan, which was steaming to the site in order to help the tsunami victims. The servicemen and women had no idea that they would be subjected to severe radiation poisoning, and that the ship’s water supply would also become contaminated.

As a result, many sailors died or have developed a variety of cancers. Many of the afflicted have launched a massive lawsuit against Tepco (Tokyo Electric Power Company). In the meantime, the U.S. military brass have distanced themselves from the event and from any culpability.

More at the link....

a reply to: fakedirt

"gamma" comes is a huge VARIETY OF ENERGY RANGES , and small losses by transition ( through graphine type mass, velocity association ) would be translated as galvanic current ( through seibect or peltier interactions) especially if it was put in association with a more , familiar, layers like mylar...given graphenes known properties may not even need that , though I think a nuclear "bacitator " could easily be built with these materials.

a filter at fuku certainly could, remember we are only talking about reducing impact at this point...reduce...because fuku is not stopping and if we stop 50% ( while releasing the other 50) then we are one step better than doing nothing ( though at this point any action short of Tesla level genius is inconsequential to the end product )

The latest casualty in the west coast die-offs is the Guadalupe fur seal. This should raise concerns far more than already seen as they are a listed species that is almost never seen in northern California, yet this year the number of dead washing up exceeds the number of dead from previous years combined.

At what point does the US govt take notice other than to count the dead. For years the level of marine die-offs off the west coast were steady state, and since August of 2011 they have gone into the famous hockey stick graphic with each year getting progressively worse.

Now what could have happened prior to that date that could have caused this surge. According to the US nothing special.

Boy, put these two articles into one context and it sends shivers all around.

From theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com...

Tension builds: five more earthquakes strike off the coast of Japan in one day

and

from fukushimaupdate.com...

Reactor Fuel Removal At Fukushima No. 1 Plant May Be Delayed Up To 3 Years

I can almost hear Abe saying "tennis anyone".