Military strikes on Syria 'as early as Thursday,' US officials say

Anyone know what Missile system they just imported from Russia as I've heard the system is capable of striking back at warships ?

To quote a friend mostly...

"Syria action 'not for regime change' as PM says strikes 'must be legal'" says teh Telegraph.

Same as Iraq - It's legal if parliament votes in favour of it. No other criteria is legitimate. But if it is not for regime change, it must be purely for the protection of life. The only possibly intervention I can envisage would firstly be a no-fly zone, in which case the Russians would most certainly give Syria advanced air-to-air missiles causing us serious propaganda losses along the lines of the F117 in Yugoslavia.

The second objective would be air strikes to take out artillery and tanks, which is notionally acceptable, however, as we have seen in Africa and Lebanon, the lack of advanced weaponry is not necessarily an obstacle to massacres. In West Africa we see mass murder by machete, and in the camps of Sabra and Shatila, we saw the good old AK47 being the ultimate Weapon of Mass Destruction.

There are only two possible courses of action. Either we leave it alone and allow for one side to win outright, or we invade, occupy and rebuild. Given that we have shown no competence in such matters (and have lost both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan) - and there is no credible exit plan, as much as it may sting to admit it, there is nothing practical we can do and we MUST stay out of it.

If our government takes us to war without a parliamentary vote, it will have demonstrated, more than ever, that it is an unaccountable clan that is no more legitimate than the Assad regime.

All the U.K's national papers, the Guardian, the Telegraph, the Mail and EVEN Owen Jones at the Indy is saying attacking Syria is a stupid idea, Even the working class 'Sun' newspapers poll was 2 to 1 against the war- along with EVERYBODY on Facebook. I don't ever recall a time when this could be said. Not even Iraq. The only people who think different are our Dictator Cameron, Willy Hague and The Boy King. Speaks volumes, doesn't it?

Originally posted by FlySolo
reply to post by Dreine

 

Sure, we'll all get up in arms about Miley Cyrus, but about something that actually matters?

You know, I had a strange sense of deja vu when I read that. Can anyone else from remember from the top of your head what all the past silly celebrity distractions were?

Well, there was this well timed UFO guy on this conspiracy site I go to.

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They're P800 Sunburns (NATO name). They're not nearly the threat that they were in the past with the SeaRAM having been installed on ships.

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Anyone know what Missile system they just imported from Russia as I've heard the system is capable of striking back at warships ?

It's Russian, I don't think their stuff is a huge threat except en masse. There was a great deal of hype about the Russian built anti aircraft fields set up in Iraq before the first Gulf war. They were taken down in about 20 minutes. I would imagine were talking about stand off munitions and maybe some stealth craft. I don't think there will be ships within strike range of anti ship missiles. The US navy never gets to play with all their toys though, they might get to try out some of the defensive weapons, who knows. I don't think Syria is considered a major threat, I don't think Russia is either - except for nukes.

V

I am guessing we are looking at next Thursday, an unlit new moon. We often strike when there is no moonlight to silhouette our attack craft.

Prediction; September 5th or very near when the moon is merely a sliver or less.

How many Russians are we going to kill in these strikes?

Do we honestly expect Syria to just sit back and take it?.. we're bombing them when I personally believe they aren't at fault. They are going to retaliate.

Imagine what the USA would do if Argentina attacked them for dropping nuclear DU on Iraq in 2003 as a warning to stop their operations..??

interesting times indeed.. bring on the tomahawks.. im tired of this mundane 9-5 life.. i think id appreciate life more if i was on the battlefield.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
How many Russians are we going to kill in these strikes?.

I was wondering the same thing, but the more I thought the more I realized that I'm sure the coalition would warn the Russians that an attack was imminent and give them time to move their people out of harms way. I'm sure they wouldn't want to stir up a storm by harming Russian troops stationed in Syria.

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As far as I know there aren't many in Syria to begin with. The "naval base" there consists of a pier and four or five sailors there. There may be some to advise for the new weapons systems but I don't think many Russian troops are normally stationed there.

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I guess we'll know if we see countries moving their people out of the embassies.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by majesticgent

 

As far as I know there aren't many in Syria to begin with. The "naval base" there consists of a pier and four or five sailors there. There may be some to advise for the new weapons systems but I don't think many Russian troops are normally stationed there.

Here's an update:

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia currently has no Defence Ministry personnel in Syria, the Vedomosti newspaper reported on Wednesday, indicating Moscow has withdrawn staff from its naval facility in the Mediterranean port of Tartous and may have stopped using it.

If accurate, the report could indicate Russia was concerned about the danger to its workers posed by the rebellion against Moscow's ally Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, analysts said.

news.yahoo.com...

*bang! bang! bang!* ...FREEZE!! - The American way.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

Yeah, I feel for those guys that fly them. Fighter jocks have the same problem on cross country missions. They get a plastic bag with a sponge in it. They raise the seat all the way up and back, and lock the rudder pedals and go for it. There have been a few incidents of instrument panel strikes though.

I really don't think we have black triangles, but I know a few of what is in the dark, and I wanna see them come out into the light. What I do know is amazing.

If the links get cut, or the Grand Tour bus pulls out Zaphod, I'll take
the oppo here to thank you for the intel you could pass. It was all at
least five times anything I could comb out of the cloud. And as if the
E4 wasn't a big enough tip as-is.. wow. It could legitimately be party time.
And for a brand new visual that redefined clusterF.OMG

And hopefully on course:
Let's hope for a Nikita-on-the-this-side back down after Putin's open
threat: about a big counter against the Saudis. That'd unzip the world's
biggest sandwich. All of us would never finish it, it would finish us.

Originally posted by IamAbeliever
Well folks, looks like this could be it. We are about to start what, IMHO, will be WW III.

I look for any attack to happen tonight or tomorrow night. This world has gone to sh*t, and I'm afraid it's about to get a hell of a lot worse.

Keep dreaming your doom porn dream buddy.

Nothings gunna happen

Originally posted by thesaneone
Can anybody tell me why Valerie Jarrett wants to strike her Middle Eastern allies?

I see her logic

Since the US was late for the first 2 wars they better start the 3rd to make sure they are on time!

Hi ATS,

Don't worry people. They can't attack Syria because if they attack Syria, Tel Aviv will be razed to ground and they already knew it. It's called "The Sword Of Damocles" strategy. I think They're just buying some times for their fellow-terrorists. it's like when a volleyball coach call for Time Out to buy time for his own team and make the opponent's players mentally weak. For 30 years they threatened us (Iran), but here we are ! They can't attack us or whomever is on our side ... not anymore ! Syria is not Saddam Hussain's Iraq or Afghanistan ! Iran is directly involved in this war and surprisingly is Russia. Assad's Syria is

So there's no need to worry !

Originally posted by FlyersFan
For crying out loud ... it's looking like I should go make a run to Target and pick up dry goods, canned goods, etc. Just in case. Heck .. time to change the water in the water barrels too. This thing really looks like it could explode pretty soon. UGH. Better to be safe and over stocked ....

This is what I spent my day and evening doing. Checking my supplies, going to the store, filling up the gas tank, etc.

And the plot thickens. A Russian Il-62 (RA-86570) belonging to the Russian Ministry for Emergency Situations came out of Moldova, around Turkish airspace, into Syria last night. It landed at Lattkia around 0005 GMT, dropped some aids off, and picked up a number of people wanting to return to Moscow, and departed again around 0200 GMT.

S and F

I have tried to imagine how this is going to play out. My conclusion is that there is a high degree of miscalculation by all parties. My guess is that Assad, knowing he is toast and with nothing to loose,will hit Israel with everything he has,which will be devastated and launch retaliatory strikes against every Arab country, (Sampson Option?). Pakistan, assuming rhey are not hit, will almost certainly be thrown into chaos and the govt there could be overthrown. Then you have the Taliban with nukes.india may react to that by promptly nuking Pakistan. It's likely the whole world will be drawn into this thing. Not good. Oil supplies will probably be disrupted, so get ready for the highest gas prices we have ever seen.

www.jpost.com...

Israel deploys full missile defenses against Syria

Israel is deploying all of its missile defenses as a precaution against possible Syrian retaliatory attacks should Western powers carry out threatened strikes on Syria, Army Radio said on Wednesday.

It did not say how many interceptor batteries were mobilized by Israel's air defence corps. The missile defenses include the short-range Iron Dome, the mid-range Patriot and the long-range Arrow II.