Did you know that Iran executed 30,000 political prisoners in 1988? I didn't.

You know what would be awesome? If America wasn't allowed to use propaganda on its own citizens. You know what I mean?

Why not focus on the bigger problems then the little ones. Seeing how you state personal experience with Iran's military, then you should know more then most that Iran hasn't started a war of aggression in over 100 years.

America enters a major war once every 20 years. Now it seems once every 20 minutes.

Originally posted by Rosinitiate
You know what would be awesome? If America wasn't allowed to use propaganda on its own citizens. You know what I mean?

Why not focus on the bigger problems then the little ones. Seeing how you state personal experience with Iran's military, then [color=gold] you should know more then most that Iran hasn't started a war of aggression in over 100 years.

America enters a major war once every 20 years. Now it seems once every 20 minutes.

Does this mean that one isn't going to help me
figure out the truth about these mass executions.

That the subject, in general, is better served by making it about me... instead.

As to bigger problems,
if mass executions, held in secret,
does not qualify, then we are all waiting
for the new thread you must be planning to start.

/bewildered

Mike

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My post was only about you because you expressed personal experience with Iran yet your threads reflects zero understanding. Kinda like the sensational headline when the "official" numbers are much much lower then what is claimed in your OP.

Bewildered is an understatement.

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So in what year did this naval combat with Iran take place? And between Iran and who?

Originally posted by Rosinitiate
reply to post by mikegrouchy

 

My post was only about you because you expressed personal experience with Iran yet [color=gold] your threads reflects zero understanding. Kinda like the sensational headline when the "official" numbers are much much lower then what is claimed in your OP.

Bewildered is an understatement.

edit on 24-8-2013 by Rosinitiate because: (no reason given)

Said the jr Wolf to the prey, after the first wolf attacked.

Another poster in this thread started mounting personal insinuations against me,
not the topic.
I implicitly stated that I would not defend myself on that front.

Only then did you come in with the follow up bites.

I don't like getting into these personal "you said" and "you should know" type of
discussion on ATS, and I believe they are against the terms of service.

But you persist.
Like a coward who thinks they are safe in a crowd.


Does discovering the truth about mass secret executions
merit such fear
and attack-the-messenger type tactics?


In other words: please attend the topic,
facts and contributions to figuring out the truth of the matter are welcome.


Mike

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I don't persist you do. You continue to engage me yes? You brought up your personal experience yes?

And what the hell does safe in the crowd even mean?

Kinda like the sensational headline when the "official" numbers are much much lower then what is claimed in your OP.

Pretty sure that was on topic. But by all means, mods feel free to delete if i am mistaken.

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Sorry but Chivalry was actually started by this guy



Saint Maurice (also known as Maurice , Moritz or Mauritius) . He was the commander of the Theban Legion martyred and died in the early third century.

The Theban Legion , consisting only of Christians from Egypt , was ordered to leave for Gaul to aid the Emperor Maximian. Although they fought bravely , refused to obey the imperial order to persecute Christians , so they were decimated. Refusing a second time, all members of the Theban Legion were executed. The place where these events allegedly took place , known as Agaunum , is now the headquarters of the Abbey of Saint Maurice in the Swiss canton of Valais.


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other than that,, carry on

Thanks BobAtHome,

Reading up on him now.


Mike

Only China executes more people than Iran

I'm finding some evidence that there are, in fact, secret executions in Iran.

A hard thing to find.
Evidence of something that is supposed to be secret.

The victims in this case were Pakistani workers,
who were arrested on drug possession charges
and sentenced to Vakilabad Prison.
Where they were later hung.

A Pakistani father of one of the victims,
is complaining that he can't even get the body of his son back.



The third comment on the video above,
seems to be from someone inside Iran.

these #ers ring heroin to iran and kill outr yong. you #ing attacked afghanistan , put us under sanctions and then you want us to take care of the refugees that you created. still no country took in more refugees than iran. you guys dont like it send these bastards to saudi and qatar

The video goes on to explain
that since the capitol of Pakistan has signed an agreement with the US,
pressure on Pakistanis in Iran has increased.


Mike

The Deputy Prosecutor of Arak identified the inmates by their first initials and described the charges as follows:

♦ A.K., 25 years old, tried and convicted at the 2nd branch of the Revolutionary Court for the possession of 598.50 g of crack.
♦ P.E., 24 years old, tried and convicted at the 2nd branch of the Revolutionary Court for the distribution and possession of 890 g of crystal meth.
♦ A.A., 37 years old, tried and convicted at the 1st branch of the Revolutionary Court for the distribution of 1.8 kg of crack.
♦ A.T., 35 years old, and M.A., 29 years old, were respectively tried and convicted at the 1st and 2nd branches of the Revolutionary Courts for the distribution and possession of 2.3 kg of crack in total.

hra news . org / 27 prisoners hanged in one day, not counting secret executions

If true, then
the people listed above don't even have names
during their trial and executions. Just initials.

The complaints from neighboring countries are saying that

it is mostly poor people who are executed in secret
they are not provided adequate defense
their families are not contacted before or during trial
the bodies are disposed in unmarked graves

Mike

But, what distinguishes the 1988 executions is their heinous nature. The people who were executed had already been put on mostly show trials, but had not been condemned to death by the same courts. [color=gold] Many had actually served their full sentences, but had still been kept detained. In my opinion, this aspect alone makes the executions a classic case of crime against humanity, but because the International Criminal Court was founded a few years after the crimes, and cannot act retroactively, the culprits cannot be put on trial by the court.

-Muhammad Sahimi 8/20/13

payvand . com / Irans bloody decade of the 1980's

Meanwhile, from April of this year ...

17 of the prisoners belonged to the Gehzelhesar prison while 4 prisoners had been transferred from other prisons to Ghezelhesar for implementation of the execution. One of the prisoners transferred from Rajai Shahr Prison was identified as "Mohsen Jahanbakhsh" born in 1977. Mr. Jahanbakhsh was sentenced to death by the judge Salavati, convicted of Moharebeh (war against God) for participation in armed robbery. [color=gold] His family was not informed about the execution and they were not given the opportunity of visiting him for the last time.

25 executed in city of Karaj within two days

The article goes on to say that the identity of the other 20 executed are not known.


Mike

Vakilabad Prison in Mashhad was thrust into the spotlight when [color=gold] news emerged that secret mass executions were carried out there over the past two years. However, in this same institution a number of prisoners of conscience are serving sentences whose names have never appeared in the media.

12/30/2012
The Women's Ward for Prisoners of Conscience in Mashhad, Iran


The Vakilabad Prison has two wards for prisoners of conscience, the men's and women's. In the men's ward, there may be a few of students and supporters of the Green Movement, Mujahedin-e Kalq supporters, Baha'is, dervishes, Sunnis and sometimes a Christian convert. In the women's ward, there are currently nine Baha'i prisoners.

Still waiting for a voice from inside Iran to contest
these stats, or provide a transparent source of information.


Mike

Originally posted by jaws1975
Did you know that the US and Israel have committed acts of war against Iran, and Iran refuses to take the bait? Be a part of the solution, not part of the problem.

What would they be then? Are Israel lobbing Iranian made rockets at themselves? Don't let your hatred of Israel blind you to the fact that Iran is just as bad, if not worse. We can see how Israel treats people, but much of what Iran does is hidden.

To topic. Iran's current position as an Islamic religious theocracy, fairly bobs around on the blood and misery of Iranians. There is a reason why so many Iranian fled their homeland after the revolution in 1979. To keep up the pretence that everyone was joyous and accepting of the new masters, all dissent had to be removed. You see echos of it today in the continued cycle of human rights abuses.

Regards

Saeed Abedini

Born a Muslim in Iran he converted to Christianity.

After becoming a US citizen he married a US citizen
and they raised two children in Idaho.

In 2009 he got an agreement from Iran for permission to
travel the country freely if he stopped working with churches.

He started working with secular orphanages.

In Fall of 2009 he was arrested and charged with posing a
threat to national security because he used to work with
house churches back-in-the-day.

Sentenced to 8 years in Evin Prison.

In a letter several months ago, he said the Iranian authorities were trying to force him to renounce his faith in Christ.

While in prison, the pastor has faced beatings, solitary confinement, and serious injuries, leading him to be significantly weakened over the past year.

Aug 28, 2013 / 04:08 am
Iran rejects appeal from imprisoned US pastor

The family is appealing to Washington D.C.
hoping that the US will even notice that
a US citizen is in danger because he
chose freedom of religion.


Mike

Many thought they were going to be pardoned and released – as most were about to complete their sentences. Instead, they were executed.

29 August 2013
Iran still seeks to erase the ‘1988 prison massacre’ from memories, 25 years on

Families of the victims have found out about the mass unmarked graves
in Khavaran Cemetery where they started to hold commemorations.

Authorities have started harassing and persecuting the families
by dispersing or arresting them.

Many of the officials in charge of those mass secret executions
still hold high office in Iran.


Mike

Originally posted by mikegrouchy

Well... I thought I was pretty clear in the post replied to.
This is about open vs. closed society.

Open -vs- closed society? ROTF.

How many people has the US murdered since 1988? How many secret experiments has the US run in that period (vaccines, drugs, radiation, chemweps, bioweps, etc). How many people has the US kidnapped, tortured, taken to secret prisons in that period? How many foreign/domestic assets has the US/Wall Street/Federal Reserve stolen in that period?

The more an individual waves the flag -- or -- talks about how free and open we are, the lower my estimate of their intelligence becomes.

Originally posted by juspassinthru

Originally posted by mikegrouchy

Well... I thought I was pretty clear in the post replied to.
This is about open vs. closed society.

Open -vs- closed society? ROTF.

How many people has the US murdered since 1988? How many secret experiments has the US run in that period (vaccines, drugs, radiation, chemweps, bioweps, etc). How many people has the US kidnapped, tortured, taken to secret prisons in that period? How many foreign/domestic assets has the US/Wall Street/Federal Reserve stolen in that period?

The more an individual waves the flag -- or -- talks about how free and open we are, the lower my estimate of their intelligence becomes.

Nice.

So... how many?
We are all waiting with baited breath for the numbers.

If anyone in Government was _ever_ caught disappearing people,
even a single person,
their career would instantly be irredeemably over.

In Iran this seems to be how one gets promoted,
by making sure the bodies are never found.





I mean quit beating about the bush,
look at the two cultures openly.
East vs. West.

We could have started making the entire desert green
if, I don't know, people were not always shooting at us,
or stabbing us for looking at their girl friend. I mean seriously?
You REALLY think that America is somehow loosing on a moral level.


Mike

Mrs. Adiva Mirza Soleiman Kalimi, a Jewish Iranian, and her husband, Varoujan Petrosian, an Armenian Iranian along with one other woman and two men, whose identities remain unknown, were secretly executed in Evin Prison.


It is still unknown what those prisoners were charged for.

se cret exectuions in Evin Prison

From March 14th 2011,

But I'm seeing a trend here.


Mike

Meanwhile, 11 inmates were executed secretly in Karaj and five in Urmai.

Sunday 25 August 2013
27 prisoners were hanged in one day, not counting secret executions

On the new Iranian Presidents website
there is a gleeful article showing that the Russian President and Rouhani
are totally unified in their cautioning of American and it's latest machinations.

In my opinion both Putin and Rouhani have lost the plot.

They seem to think there is some kind of yin yang balancing act
for who the American Public trusts.

They really don't get it.

If whe have started to question our own leader,
they in no way means we trust them instead.

We are not your children,
you are not our leaders.


Mike

Obviously the world wide media machine
has gone off the rails,
and the figure heads can no longer tell
the difference between
the psychology of conditioning and
the psychology of control.

Control is something one does to themselves,
conditioning is something done to others.

The leaders of the free world who have
gladly used psychological manipulation
for generations have now found themselves
conditioning themselves to appear a certain way
and trying to control everything and everyone else.

Even rope thirsty supreme leaders
like we find in Iran
look sane and measured in comparison.


Mike