Michael Hastings Death: LA Coroner Completes Autopsy

The subtle thing? To the average American who didn't pay TOO much attention, they'll just read "Hastings : Death : Accident : Drugs : Multiple" and those few words will be all the association many will take from this.

exactly! it attacks his past writings and is a bit of a contingency plan for the future, should any of his last project get published or released.

Actually from page 16 of the report the lab says that the remainder of the submitted specimens will be discarded 6 weeks from the date of the report if other arrangements are not made. The report is issued on 8/10/2013

nice! and i'm sure that if any requests are made they'll be stonewalled until 6 weeks pass, then it's "oops, we'd love to help, but the 6 weeks passed and the specimens have been discarded. terribly sorry."

reply to post by Bob Sholtz


Thanks for the compliment on the ad hominem attack. I wasn’t trying to insult you I was trying to get you to have someone read it to you. Because the way your argument is failing it is Very apparent that you haven’t read it.

because cremating his body without even notifying the family until after it was done isn't an example of extreme negligence?

Now your argument is completely failing. You better get updated on the Facts as I mentioned before.
Sgt. Joe was mis quoted. Those comments were rescinded after it was found out that the Family Actually Requested the Cremation.

By the way, please make note that the coroner’s report states that they will keep the samples for 6 weeks after the report is released. Just thought you might to know that.

yes, i'm sure you'd love to convince yourself of that.

I will not need any convincing. There is Absolutely No Proof there that suggests otherwise. I am really sorry you are having a hard time coming to terms with that.

Now, before you respond, you should really take the time to get your facts straight.

reply to post by Bob Sholtz

nice! and i'm sure that if any requests are made they'll be stonewalled until 6 weeks pass, then it's "oops, we'd love to help, but the 6 weeks passed and the specimens have been discarded. terribly sorry."

What facts do you have that they are going to do that?

Please show details. Post Pictures and Links.

If you can't you might as well shove it up your ad hominem.

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
...
According to SSgt. Biggs, “Michael Hastings’ body was returned to Vermont in an urn.” He further alleged, “Family members did not want Michael’s body cremated.”
...

SSgt Biggs has refuted that this was his statement (to Kimberly Dvorak) numerous times. He went so far as to call her...and reportedly received an agreement (from her) that the story would be "corrected". As of some time last week, he remained upset, as he found no "correction" to the original story. And, as can be seen, here, the erroneous story continues to go forth.
The family has been consistent in stating that the body was cremated at their behest (Elise Jordan had a friend that lives in L.A. handle the matter).

reply to post by ShadellacZumbrum


Any time, it seems important to keep any facts that are there straight.

I thought as you did, that they would keep any samples so was surprised to see that in the report.

I didn't see your note on the other thread, heading there to check it out now.

Also WanDash and ShadellacZumbrum I agree, "passed out" can mean he was so tired he fell sleep, or passed out. To me it seemed to mean exhausted. And it would seem to have to after the coroner's report stating that the "smoking" was from earlier. The crash happened only a couple of hours after MH's brother left.

Originally posted by ShadellacZumbrum
...I agree about the being "Passed-Out" Wan.
...But, what was the true definition. .. Was he Asleep or Passed-Out because they are 2 entirely different animals.
...I also believe that is is unusual about the 14 year sobriety. Then I thought about it for a while. . ..
...I think those figures are jumbled. There is a mention that his brother said that he "Thinks" it started sometime within the last month.
...Sometimes abusers and addicts can go months or years and never be noticed.
...Another thing of importance to note .. . . Families typically Do Not pull the Intervention Card unless it is something that has gone on for a long period of time and the person has suffered devastating effects.. ..
...Are we missing some information?
...Maybe they were afraid to divulge it.

I agree - "Asleep" or "Passed Out" ...were they using Webster's Dictionary when composing their statement...or, does it matter? My point was not that he WAS NOT passed out...but rather that we have no proof, and to call the statement "proof" without context to support, is fallacious.

I likewise agree with your points on sobriety... But - even knowing of these possibilities does not move them into the category of "proof" for me... Just...higher up the ladder of probabilities.
There are examples (that I am intimately familiar with), where one month was plenty of time for the family to attempt to pull the Intervention Card. ...and, the one they tried to impose their will/s on, ran like a gazelle as soon as their (the family's) plans were obvious.

My entire point is not to try and prove that "the Foul Play dream is still alive"... But rather to apply a critical standard to claims that "No Foul Play has been proven".

reply to post by WanDash


From what I can see on the Tox Screen he had 154ng of THC in his system.

That means that quite some time had passed since he had smoked anything.
I also wonder how long they held the body before they did the toxicology, because that would have made a serious difference in those levels. The Autopsy report says that it was performed on June 20 that is when they took the samples.. That is 2 days later. Those levels could have changed significantly over that period of time.

So, that means the Levels were Much Higher at the time of the accident.

Although I am with you in that neither drug was a contributing factor, however if we could see the fine print on page 17 that might answer some questions as far as the tox level on the Dimethyltriptamine.

ETA:

Typically a person testing positive for THC with levels between 300-400 nanograms indicates that the peron indested the chemical within the last 6 hours. With the levels showing only 154 is indicative of a 2 day time lapse from the time he did it until he was tested for it.
ETA AGAIN .. .
Make note that those methamphetamine levels would have been about 10 times higher than the test shows.

Further Note .. .. that it can take 60-90 days to clear THC out of your system, but only a few days for methamphetamine.

Originally posted by ShadellacZumbrum
reply to post by heavenlyalchemy

 

Thanks for posting this report. It was quite a read. Although I am not able to read it all because of my eyes.

Anyways, there is a section on the toxicology report that says some about Dimatryptamine and how something can affect those results Negatively but I can't read it.

I think it shows to different compounds that can interfere

I was just wondering if it shows those in his system

Any time, glad to help. The lettering is fuzzy so that wouldn't help matters.

The compounds that would effect the Dimatryptamine outcome were not looked into from what I can see on the report. If someone were to want to find out if they were an issue, they don't have very long to request a new analysis. Only 6 weeks from the 10th of this month. Good catch by the way.

Originally posted by ShadellacZumbrum
...Although I am with you in that neither drug was a contributing factor, however if we could see the fine print on page 17 that might answer some questions as far as the tox level on the Dimethyltriptamine.
...

Please note that I am not trying to claim that neither drug contributed...
If they contributed, however, I would consider it more likely that their contribution was in the form of a developed (or developing) psychosis.
This - Dimethyl-whatever... Is this the one that has been called "The God Molecule"?

reply to post by twohawks


What are you talking about? Hallucinations? He also wasn't just on weed. Read the report.

reply to post by WanDash


I actually just researched that to hell and back .. .. . Here is some real funny information.

Dimethyltryptamine is already in your system and is produced every time you dream.

Also.. . when you ingest Dimethyltryptamine it stays in your system for 2-4 days.

If the samples were taken 2 days after, as the autopsy would suggest then there is a Great Likelihood that it was already out of his system before the samples were tested.

reply to post by WanDash

The God Molecule?

No . . that's the Higgs boson.



ETA .. .. .

Here's a theory. He threatened who? The 'who' he threatened is in the business of what? If the 'who' and the 'what' are an agency who's job is to be clandestine, conduct operations which have no moral bounds, and subsequently deny such operations until the rumor subsides, then who might it be? Who has the capability? Will they ever, ever tell the truth about it?

reply to post by heavenlyalchemy


Thank you for looking into that.

Now at this point I believe his levels were greatly higher than the tox screen shows.

AND,

If Wan is right as far as the Psychosis goes and he did in fact have Dimethyltryptamine in his system, he could have easily been running on a Tangent to include Paranoia, and a whole host of other psychological disorders.

reply to post by lynxpilot

Who has the capability?

For that matter, .. Who has any facts that it could have possibly been murder?

reply to post by WanDash


Wan,

While we are on the psychosis end of matters. .. .

What, besides a note, would it take to "Validate" the possibility of suicide?

The more I think about that option the clearer the potential.

If he did in fact have more of a history than is being told that definitely has to enter into the arena.

Originally posted by ShadellacZumbrum
...I actually just researched that to hell and back .. .. . Here is some real funny information.
...Dimethyltryptamine is already in your system and is produced every time you dream.
...

How odd...
So - maybe the "sleep driving" hypothesis wasn't too far off...

reply to post by WanDash


Holy Hell. ..

I think you initially mentioned that about a month ago with MIner49.

reply to post by WanDash


Damn Good Eye on ya, Wan. . ..

WIKI PAGE

SIDE EFFECTS:
According to a "Dose-response study of N,N-dimethyltryptamine in humans" by Rick Strassman, "Dimethyltryptamine dose slightly elevated blood pressure, heart rate, pupil diameter, and rectal temperature, in addition to elevating blood concentrations of beta-endorphin, corticotropin, cortisol, and prolactin. Growth hormone blood levels rose equally in response to all doses of '___', and melatonin levels were unaffected

Beta-Endorphin .. . Is that maybe going to make you sleepy or put you in a "Beta" State ?

Looking into the two compounds that would effect the results got me thinking...

If his brother thought that he had that in his system why wouldn't they do a full toxicology report that included the two additional compounds? That seems a bit strange..