Guess Area 51 exists and those "crazy" Ufologists where right

Guess Area 51 exists and those "crazy" Ufologists where right about there being a hidden base there.

We shouldn't trust the government anymore because they lied for 50+ years about Area 51.
Stealth fighters for a long time considered "UFOs". They where exposed later on as a secret stealth supersonic aircraft.

But yeah UFOs don't exist. Millions of "crazy ufo people" are "hallucinating" and filming/photographing a halluncination at the same time.
Flying objects that travel without sound or sonic booms at thousands of miles per second in zig-zags or curves or stop then accelerate out of view within a couple of milliseconds. What is the G force of that? 1,000 G's ?

The government is caught lying (admitting to lying) and covering up the truth again.
Drink your fluoride and go back to sleep sheep.

But if the government lies all the time should you believe them when they say it exists?

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman


Area 51 has been unofficially public knowledge since the mid 90s when a bunch of former contractors banded together and tried to sue the Government over health issues related to the toxic burn pits they were forced to participate in.
However, then President Clinton shut them down and provided immunity to the Govt against such claims and these people havent been heard from since, at least not publicly.

Besides that, it was kind of dumb of the Govt to continue to deny its existence when we could stare at it all day on google earth.
Before that though, the first actual images that I saw anyway, were images from a Russian Satellite, sometime in the late 90s

reply to post by PhoenixOD


actually..

what that means is..

everyone knows about area 51 for decades and we have moved the operation..

so now we will admit it..

kinda like HAARP..

everyone knows it there now.. and what it potentially can do..

so an announcement is made that it is shut down.. for diesel engines not being in EPA compliance..

yeah, a quarter million dollars worth of engines closed a multimillion "research" facility who keeps in communication with nuclear submarines...

yet the funding has already went through for 2 years..

and now there are over 200 HAARP type locations world wide..

so yeah.. do trust them.. to lie every time..

Sure and you are going to tell me next that the gov't also monitors everything we do.

However, do you expect the gov't to be truthful under all circumstances , do you expect them to always tell the truth?

Is this the first time they have been caught lying? Would it have been the right thing to expose the base when top secret projects were going on?

Just playing devil advocate, but ...

reply to post by Sharingan


The government denied its existence even with people being confronted with armed guards the landing strip.

The existence of the Groom Lake facility has never been secret. In 1955 the CIA crafted a statement for release to the news media through the Atomic Energy Commission to inform the public of construction of the new base. This statement, describing the location and basic configuration of the airfield (then known as Watertown Airstrip) was given to newspapers, television reporters, and radio stations in Nevada and Utah.

In 1959, the media was further informed of progress on "Project 51" at Groom Lake where EG&G was moving their radar facilities. In January 1960, an unclassified Nevada Test Site newsletter published "new Area 51 telephone numbers" for the base commander, security office, and base contractor.

Area 51 appeared on numerous unclassified maps, including those handed out to the general public by the AEC. The most famous acknowledgement of the existence of the facility was the 1995 declaration by President Bill Clinton in regard to "the Air Force operating location near Groom Lake." The CIA declassified its association with Area 51 in 2010, which allowed officials like the Agency's historian to openly use the term in public and made it unnecessary to redact "Area 51" and "Groom Lake" from declassified documents.

The Groom Lake facility has not closed down or moved. It has grown quite a bit in the last several years, and there are numerous ongoing programs there.

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman


perhaps there is a time and places the actual disclosure will happen.
The EA*RTH GOVs from my observation are potentially following a method and back when a51 was shared publically there were possibly more unthought developments going on there.
1 felt though it was moved.. after they got tired of moving the observation points back from the public eye. Where it is now? the telepathic message sent is no and so

Originally posted by reeferman
reply to post by PhoenixOD

 

actually..

what that means is..

everyone knows about area 51 for decades and we have moved the operation..

so now we will admit it..

kinda like HAARP..

everyone knows it there now.. and what it potentially can do..

so an announcement is made that it is shut down.. for diesel engines not being in EPA compliance..

yeah, a quarter million dollars worth of engines closed a multimillion "research" facility who keeps in communication with nuclear submarines...

yet the funding has already went through for 2 years..

and now there are over 200 HAARP type locations world wide..

so yeah.. do trust them.. to lie every time..

HAARP is also a hallucination.

There are no armed guards and steel fences.

Its just good research after all...that doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Shadowhawk
The existence of the Groom Lake facility has never been secret. In 1955 the CIA crafted a statement for release to the news media through the Atomic Energy Commission to inform the public of construction of the new base. This statement, describing the location and basic configuration of the airfield (then known as Watertown Airstrip) was given to newspapers, television reporters, and radio stations in Nevada and Utah.

The media and the Atomic Energy Commission are conspiracy theorists

In 1959, the media was further informed of progress on "Project 51" at Groom Lake where EG&G was moving their radar facilities. In January 1960, an unclassified Nevada Test Site newsletter published "new Area 51 telephone numbers" for the base commander, security office, and base contractor.

Area 51 appeared on numerous unclassified maps, including those handed out to the general public by the AEC. The most famous acknowledgement of the existence of the facility was the 1995 declaration by President Bill Clinton in regard to "the Air Force operating location near Groom Lake." The CIA declassified its association with Area 51 in 2010, which allowed officials like the Agency's historian to openly use the term in public and made it unnecessary to redact "Area 51" and "Groom Lake" from declassified documents.

The Groom Lake facility has not closed down or moved. It has grown quite a bit in the last several years, and there are numerous ongoing programs there.

Isn't there a artificial mountain or something?

reply to post by Sharingan


Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we know that Area 51 existed even before that because the soviets released satellite photo's of it?

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
But if the government lies all the time should you believe them when they say it exists?

edit on 19-8-2013 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

I lied about posting this message. Do you believe I lied?

reply to post by gotya


hmm well i can see the message but that doesn't mean lied..you could just be crazy

Nope, definitely nothing to see. Move on.

It's just an incredibly huge runway, for nothing more than joy flights and some such.

There, you see........I haven't lied.

Oh lets see, there were only how many death bed confessions? ................that alone should have been enough.

It was known to exist, but considering that the government was flying spy missions, other black-ops, and perhaps some classified test flights, the government would not acknowledge the operations there.

I mean, planes could be seen flying in and out, and satellite images on Google maps shows that it has an extremely long runway, so it obviously existed -- but the work being done there (spy planes/advanced planes/black ops missions) may have been so sensitive that the government would rather not overtly advertise the base's.

I'm really not surprised that the government would rather not talk about what goes on at such a base. Do we really expect them to say, "Yeah -- that's where we fly our spy planes out of" or "That's where we keep our secret planes." or "Some covert ops are done there"...

...what would be the point of having flying secret spy missions, or having secret planes, or running secret covert ops if you don't keep them secret?

Well to be fair, they don't really lie about it.. they just refused to confirm or deny it's existence

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
...what would be the point of having flying secret spy missions, or having secret planes, or running secret covert ops if you don't keep them secret?

Exactly. That there was something in the desert was not the secret. What was being done there was.

Much of its operations are R&D. But they also had operational U-2 and other missions which were not disclosed, and neither was the testing of foreign (Russian, not ET) equipment acquired by unusual means.

reply to post by mbkennel


The U-2 operational missions launched out of bases closer to the Soviet Union or their target areas. They would have been too long to operate out of Area 51. They did all their flight testing out of there, but flew out of Europe for Soviet missions, and Asian bases for missions that way.

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
reply to post by Sharingan

 

The government denied its existence even with people being confronted with armed guards the landing strip.

What are you talking about specifically?

Area 51 or a base located at or around Area 51.

Old maps from the army show the designated areas and their numbers and was posted here on ATS I believe,


Not sure exactly the purpose, but if memory serves me right it was bomb drops and other training done in the Nevada desert.

But yeah UFOs don't exist.

Can you actually find anyone that says this or believes this?