Surah Qiyamah(The Resurrection)

this is a chapter in Qur'an talking about The Day of Resurrection.

I would like you all to hear the recital and read the english translation along it and the post your views.

Not everyone has access to YouTube so if you desire those that cannot view it to comment then please provide a written source so that we can read it. However, if you wish to exclude us that can not view YouTube, please carry on.

Also, what is your view on whats presented? It helps to start the discussion when people have your points and views regarding the subject.

Similar to Daniel 12.

Daniel 12.

Though I have heard that Daniel mirrors much of the Islamic version of the Apocalypse.

And a question. Have the Muslims considered what Daniel 8 prophesied for the end times? And that those prophesies sometimes repeat?

Originally posted by pstrron
Not everyone has access to YouTube so if you desire those that cannot view it to comment then please provide a written source so that we can read it. However, if you wish to exclude us that can not view YouTube, please carry on.

Also, what is your view on whats presented? It helps to start the discussion when people have your points and views regarding the subject.

you can read the translation here
www.dar-us-salam.com/TheNobleQuran/surah75.html

my view on the Surah is that, it is a reminder to us humans of a reality that is coming, even if a person does not believe in Judgement Day, the reality of death is sure coming and this Surah reminds us of checking our actions before its too late..

reply to post by ntech

And a question. Have the Muslims considered what Daniel 8 prophesied for the end times? And that those prophesies sometimes repeat?

prophesies are too much a victim of who interpretes it and what that person wishes it to be.
I do personally believe that prophesies can sometime repeat.

Muslims have a detailed end times prophesies, you maybe interest to know them, a simple internet search would help

reply to post by logical7

Listened, watched, and read it. "Back-breaking torment" for those who disbelieve in the video. " shame and everlasting contempt." for those who would not toe the line in Daniel.

Yep - same as "hell" - a FEAR-BASED control tactic. As for the "recitation" - not my style of "music."
Nice pictures, though. Doesn't cover up the ugliness of the message.

Muslims have a detailed end times prophesies, you maybe interest to know them, a simple internet search would help

@ ntech: Hold up!
this quoted statement above is bait.

No matter WHAT you come up with in a "simple internet search", it will only "help" the OP and his team to shoot you down. You will be told that the source you found is a bunch of "Islamophobic propaganda and lies", or that it's a fraud and a "liar" who said what you found and posted -- that, or "those are not real Muslims talking", or else you will be presented with some Pro-Islam apologetics that insult EVERYONE who doesn't think Islam is such a great idea.

Best to ask the OP for what sites he RECOMMENDS YOU to look at and take seriously. Apparently, the VAST MAJORITY of English-language sites about Islam are nothing but hateful lies and propaganda created and supported by frauds, nutjobs, evil Westerners, or money-grubbing scoundrels - and nothing more.

Particularly, sites written by or about former Muslims are worse than useless. Anyone who's been on the inside and got out is suspect and a liar.

This is the way the Muslim apologists behave. ANYTHING that criticizes Islam is met -- not with civil rebuttal and counter-evidence -- but with blame, mud-slinging, finger-pointing, ridicule, and other defensive crap. And they are told: you keep on just attacking - that just prevents open dialogue (but they continue to do it anyway).

If you say "how was I supposed to know that was a propaganda site?" you are likely, in response, to be mocked and told you are ignorant and hysterical....

On EVERY SITE I've looked at that aims to shoot down opposition to Islam, the comments are always the same - "You're just an ignorant hater."
"You only look at sites that support your preconceived notions."
Or, " What?!!!! You're so wrong :shk:, you're such an ignoramous. THAT isn't Islam - all the stuff you see in the news isn't REALLY Islam - and those people calling for killing all infidels aren't REALLY Muslims - neither are the people lopping the heads off of others -- nonono, they aren't really MUSLIMS - they got it wrong."
"That guy is a lying pig."
"That woman is a fraud using a cash cow to make herself rich."
"Oh, yeah, poor Malala - shot in the head for going to school. But those guys weren't REAL MUSLIMS."
"Well, what about what YOUR GOVERNMENT is doing? It's ALL YOUR FAULT. You are decadent and evil."

From what I can tell, those responses are multi-purpose:
Objective the 1st, calm you down,

objective the 2nd, make you feel stupid,

and 3rd, blame YOU for being unaware which websites are "legitimate", and which are "nonsense," AND THEN, blame YOU for inciting mistrust of Islam by your "simple internet search" results.

ALL LEADING TO: objective the 4th: CONDEMN YOU to this invented torment and shame - all for thinking on your own OR just for being a Westerner.

Advice - whatever sites you look at, if you bring them here and ask the Muslims if they are correct - be prepared for a reaction like this:
If the site or source you come upon says anything at all negative about Islam or critical of it, they will simply get huffy, laugh at you, roll their eyes, insult your intelligence, try to tell you what you really think or want or are trying to do (as if they know better than you do) and tell you you're a bigot and a liar and an Islamophobe who couldn't research your way out of a paper bag or recognize an articulate speaker if your life depended on it (which sadly, it might, if some power-hungry people get their way).

@logical7 - prove me wrong. Please.

reply to post by wildtimes

@ ntech: Hold up! this quoted statement above is bait. No matter WHAT you come up with in a "simple internet search", it will only "help" the OP and his team to shoot you down. You will be told that the source you found is a bunch of "Islamophobic propaganda and lies", or that it's a fraud and a "liar" who said what you found and posted

i see that i have offended you in some way.
I am not interested in arguing with ntech and just provided him/her a small suggestion.

You were not criticized for accidentally finding islamic hate site/s. You were just replied as you deserved when you started defending them as authentic and questioned the honesty of muslim posters when they tried to educate you. If you don't trust me on my words then there is nothing productive that can come out of the discussion. I don't even expect you to trust me, i rather encouraged you to read the sources i use. Thats mainly the Qur'an.

Here you are tourist as you don't believe in Resurrection.

I wonder why don't you just read some authentic islamic sites and why are you still upset about the mistakes you have made in the past.

If you want to just reinforce your worldview and prejudice against islam then you are not going to need my help, you have enough company here on ATS.

If you want to see the other side of the story before reaching conclusions, then lets talk..

reply to post by logical7


Do you think that 'resurrection' implies that the person you believe you are has to somehow die and then will become one with Allah?

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by logical7

 

Do you think that 'ressrrection' implies that the person you believe you are has to somehow die and then will become one with Allah?

everyone will die and go to their graves. On the Day of Judgement, all would be recreated back and would be answerable for their actions, injustices etc and would be appropriately recompensed. The righteous ones would get to be near God and in Heaven.

reply to post by logical7

You were not criticized for accidentally finding islamic hate site/s. You were just replied as you deserved when you started defending them as authentic and questioned the honesty of muslim posters when they tried to educate you. If you don't trust me on my words then there is nothing productive that can come out of the discussion. I don't even expect you to trust me, i rather encouraged you to read the sources i use. Thats mainly the Qur'an.

I don't read the Abrahamic "holy texts" because they are ancient and corrupted documents, written over decades/centuries, by people with agendas WHO MADE CHANGES whenever they saw fit, or felt threatened. I don't "trust them" on their words, and no, I don't "trust you" on your words, either.

As for your video - I find ALL THREATS of HELL to be egregiously dreadful and dangerous, psychologically injurious, and absolute FICTION. Your religion is no better than Christianity - and vice versa. BOTH are wrong, and NEITHER of their "books" can be trusted. But NEITHER will admit that....and so, the strife continues. Daily bloodshed, hatred, and appalling atrocities.

reply to post by wildtimes

You think "loonwatch" is going to be a "neutral, balanced site"?

i am not claiming that. You decide how balanced it is.
I just gave you something about wafa sultan that you may need to know. It seems to be correct and she is a liar who got famous by her lies.
I am not claiming that anyone who leaves islam is automatically a liar. I am just saying people lie, especially for fame and money and an ex-muslim is no exception.
Read her story and find for yourself how really oppressed she was if she managed to get a medical degree from Aleppo university.
It doesn't matter to me if you naturally feel inclinded to believe her and want to disregard the truth. I'l just say it anyway and move on.

I am a "student" - an open-minded
free thinker - and a learner. A
"tourist"? How very insulting.

i meant here on the thread, and by tourist i meant that because you deny resurrection, you may not know anything much about it (the islamic idea) just as a tourist is new to a place.

(At the top of the page it says
"WARNING"! There is a photo of
pornography on this page! (It's a
beauty contestant in a bikini! That IS
NOT PORN.)

its all subjective, isn't it? And isnt it misleading, bikini contest.. are they judging the best looking bikini(colour, cloth etc) or the girl (her shape etc)?
How can someone compete using an advantage that they did nothing to possess.
Anyways not the topic.

For me the meaning of Hijab is a symbol of devotion and purity. Its a muslim thing. If a woman believes that there is a God who sent down the Qur'an and decides to obey the commands then she wears Hijab. Period.

reply to post by logical7

Yes, I'll probably have to start digging through them and see what there is to see there. And answer a few questions I have about the Koran. Such as if it is valid messages from God then it shouldn't be a replacement to the bible. Rather it should be a supplement to it.

Now something I figured out from the bible or the "Book" as Muslims put it it the reason for the Apocalypse. And this is what I found out. What happened in the first century AD was a broken Apocalypse. What happened was the first century Jews triggered the curse of Malachi. They killed John the Baptist who was Elijah the prophet as claimed by Jesus Christ in Matthew 17. And then putting the pieces together from Leviticus 26 and the book of Hosea it turns out that it's a very nasty curse. It's a top level Leviticus 26 curse that is supposed to last 2000 years per Hosea 6-2.

And knowing this suddenly makes Islam understandable. It's a manifestation of the curse. And opens a big can of worms. Also this means there is trouble ahead. This curse has a end date in the 2020's. The Apocalypse has to be over with at the end of this curse. And the book has prophesies of another messiah appearing that has the responsibility to rebuild a Jewish temple and lay the foundation for the later predicted events that happen in Daniel. The war between the north and south. The occupation of Israel and the desecration of the Jewish temple by the Antichrist. And so on.

Also another problem for Islam here is what the book considers an Israelite. According to Genesis 48 and 49 the world was supposed to become filled with Israelites. Israel may be filled with Jews but the rest of the world is filled mostly with Israelites at this point in time. Eventually Islam and Israel is supposed to coexist.

reply to post by ntech

And answer a few questions I have about the Koran. Such as if it is valid messages from God then it shouldn't be a replacement to the bible. Rather it should be a supplement to it.

Qur'an 5:48 And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ.

Qur'an is not a complete replacement for Bible as you can see in the above Ayah. Its a confirmation and a "quality control" over it.
The message of Jesus pbuh has been distorted a lot by Paul and the church and Qur'an just restores it to how it was.

Qur'an 5

72. Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allah is the Messiah
['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam
(Mary)." But the Messiah ['Iesa
(Jesus)] said: "O Children of
Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord
and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in
worship with Allah, then Allah
has forbidden Paradise for him,
and the Fire will be his
abode . And for the Zalimun
(polytheists and wrong-doers) there are no helpers.
73. Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of
the three (in a Trinity)." But there
is no ilah (god) (none who has
the right to be worshipped) but
One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they
cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will
befall the disbelievers among
them.
74. Will they not repent to Allah and ask His Forgiveness? For
Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most
Merciful.
75. The Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no
more than a Messenger; many
were the Messengers that
passed away before him. His
mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a
Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allah and His Books
]. They both
used to eat food (as any other
human being, while Allah does
not eat). Look how We make the
Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.)
clear to them, yet look how they
are deluded away (from the
truth).
76. Say (O Muhammad to mankind): "How do you worship
besides Allah something which
has no power either to harm or
to benefit you? But it is Allah
Who is the All-Hearer, All-
Knower."
77. Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture (Jews
and Christians)! Exceed not the
limits in your religion (by
believing in something) other
than the truth, and do not follow
the vain desires of people who went astray in times gone by,
and who misled many, and
strayed (themselves) from the
Right Path."

reply to post by ntech


The Judgement Day and Apocalypse are not the same.
I am not having much knowledge about the Christians idea.
Prophet Muhammad pbuh talked about a Malhama(A great war) before the return of Christ. The Judgement Day would be a later event.

When Jesus pbuh came the 1st time the Jews rejected him and he was raised up back.
Therefore the Jews are still waiting for their Messiah.
This place would be filled by a man who would claim this and would even do miracles but in reality he would be the Anti-Christ.
Jesus pbuh would come down and destroy that AC and establish a kingdom of peace and prosperity for a duration.

Originally posted by ntech
reply to post by logical7

 

And knowing this suddenly makes Islam understandable. It's a manifestation of the curse. And opens a big can of worms. Also this means there is trouble ahead. This curse has a end date in the 2020's. The Apocalypse has to be over with at the end of this curse. And the book has prophesies of another messiah appearing that has the responsibility to rebuild a Jewish temple and lay the foundation for the later predicted events that happen in Daniel. The war between the north and south. The occupation of Israel and the desecration of the Jewish temple by the Antichrist. And so on.

The temple is built during the 1000 year Kingdome not before and there is no 7 years in Daniel and the temple has already been desecrated. It was an abomination for 40 years of continual sacrifices after Christ has given the one and only acceptable sacrifice on the cross. Your eschatology is not correct. Please show me a 7 year period in the book of Revelations.

I just want to insist on one scientific miracle in this verse that is vivid.

3. Does man (a disbeliever) think that We shall not assemble his bones?
4. Yes, We are Able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers.
5. Nay! (Man denies Resurrection and Reckoning. So) he desires to continue committing sins.

there is a point here. Koran says that even the tips of fingers will be assembled. every person has a special fingertip. nowadays fingerprinting is an usual practice.

reply to post by logical7


To answer this video you must go to the very begining of scripture, Genesis chapter 1: until you can understand this you will not be able to understand what anything to do with the Moon or Sun have to do with "Ressurection."
Read Mark 4 if you truly seek the answer and tell me what you see.

Originally posted by TheBrother
reply to post by logical7

 

To answer this video you must go to the very begining of scripture, Genesis chapter 1: until you can understand this you will not be able to understand what anything to do with the Moon or Sun have to do with "Ressurection."
Read Mark 4 if you truly seek the answer and tell me what you see.

how about putting what you want to say here in short. I feel it has to do with light or something..
So thanks for the suggestion but put your view here if you want to discuss.

reply to post by logical7


First off, make sure you are using the KJV version so we are on the same page. Jesus gives us here one of the keys to unlocking the spiritual understanding of the scriptures in verse 14. my question to you is now what is this "Earth" Jesus was reffering to? And do you see what this parable of his was trying to show?

Originally posted by TheBrother
reply to post by logical7

 

First off, make sure you are using the KJV version so we are on the same page. Jesus gives us here one of the keys to unlocking the spiritual understanding of the scriptures in verse 14. my question to you is now what is this "Earth" Jesus was reffering to? And do you see what this parable of his was trying to show?

14 The sower soweth the word. 15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but
when they have heard, Satan cometh
immediately, and taketh away the
word that was sown in their hearts. 16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who,
when they have heard the word,
immediately receive it with gladness; 17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time:
afterward, when affliction or
persecution ariseth for the word's
sake, immediately they are offended. 18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear
the word, 19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the
lusts of other things entering in,
choke the word, and it becometh
unfruitful. 20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear
the word, and receive it, and bring
forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some
sixty, and some an hundred.

The different kind of people and how they react/behave after being told the message that messengers bring from God.