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Originally posted by Kurius
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by Kurius
Not that I support them but I just haven't seen any evidence showing their foods are harmful but try to remember some of us have lives outside of ATS at least I do not that everyone here can relate..
Btw, you should ideally be a firm believer of Monsanto's data (including their funded science and conference papers) and that the regulators are acting for the benefit of the people not corporations in all GMO issues in order to participate as a subject. If you do not, please state so.
Originally posted by Grimpachi
Sorry but I have only read 1 or 2 of their studies on the other hand I have read many studies from those who claim there is something inherently unhealthy about GMOs and every single study from them has been lacking and sometimes fraudulent which is the reason I do not see any dangers with them.
If those who claim that GMOs were harmful were telling the truth then why did they conduct such bad science?
Originally posted by alfa1
Originally posted by Grimpachi
Sorry but I have only read 1 or 2 of their studies on the other hand I have read many studies from those who claim there is something inherently unhealthy about GMOs and every single study from them has been lacking and sometimes fraudulent which is the reason I do not see any dangers with them.
If those who claim that GMOs were harmful were telling the truth then why did they conduct such bad science?
Its an issue I bring up time and time again but never gets answered.
If GMO foods are so bad, then why do anti-GMO people have to resort to lies and misrepresentation?
If Monsanto is so evil, then why do anti-Monsanto people have to use bogus lies to argue against them?
And I'm talking here about things like claims that GMO inherently causes less nutrients in food, Monsanto not allowing GMO food in its own cafeteria, Monsanto suing farmers over "wind blown" contamination, and of course the incredibly poor studies you refer to.
If GMO is so bad, so horrible, so unhealthy, so cancer causing, so nasty, so toxic... then surely there would be enough REAL arguments that people could use, that stand up to scrutiny. Surely there would be enough facts out there that people would not need to make up bogus crap in order to put the argument forward.
Surely, all that would need to be done, is tell the truth?
Apparently not.
Originally posted by Raxoxane
The way I see it,the top management+shareholders of companies like Monsanto should be FORCED to do this,along with their children-seeing they are hellbent on ramming their junk down everyone else's throats-that would be the ethical,moral,decent thing to do.And back up their argument that GMO food is perfectly safe and acceptable-they should indeed be very very publicly challenged to do so.Very publicly-there is a huge global population who would love to watch them try+squirm out of that one.
Originally posted by Kurius
Anyway, that's not the main issue here in this thread. If you are ABSOLUTELY confident that there is no harm posed by consuming GMO's, you should be a perfect candidate for the program to volunteer you and your loved ones for the study.
Don't worry about the technicalities for now.
Again, don't worry about the technicalities, Phage. We will cross the bridge when it comes.
Again, don't worry about this argument for now (we will make sure it is iron clad later).
Originally posted by alfa1
Originally posted by Kurius
Anyway, that's not the main issue here in this thread. If you are ABSOLUTELY confident that there is no harm posed by consuming GMO's, you should be a perfect candidate for the program to volunteer you and your loved ones for the study.
But volunteer for what exactly?
People have been asking questions all through this thread and you've answered exactly NONE of them.
Don't worry about the technicalities for now.
Again, don't worry about the technicalities, Phage. We will cross the bridge when it comes.
Again, don't worry about this argument for now (we will make sure it is iron clad later).
I'm not going to sign up for a 5 year program on ANYTHING if the person putting the proposal forward is too unwilling to say what the deal actually is, or answer legitimate questions about it.
Originally posted by Kurius
As for the technical details, that will have to be thought through a bit more when the time comes.
Is that even possible? Are there that many different GMO crops?
Originally posted by alfa1
Originally posted by Kurius
As for the technical details, that will have to be thought through a bit more when the time comes.
So... yet another post from Kurius comes and goes with no further light shed or questions answered.
As an example *the very first response* you got to this thread, back on page 1, the question was asked:
Is that even possible? Are there that many different GMO crops?
And it still remains unanswered.
There simply arent that many GMO foods. To say "GMO only" diet, one supposes that your trial demands that we really eat no GMO food at all.
A quick search of the internet says there is no GMO product available for a bazillion different common items, such as Bananas, Apples, Cantaloupe, Cherries, Currants, Dates, Figs, Grapes, Limes, Mango, Melons, Oranges, Hawaiian Papayas, Peaches, Pears, Plums, Prunes, Raisins, Walnuts, Cashews, Macadamia nuts, Oats, Wheat, Rice, Quinoa, Sorghum, Barley, and of course sashimi (I loooove sashimi).
And thats hardly an extensive list. And you never did answer the question on meats.
And then there is the question of specificity.
Even if the above list is out of date, or becomes out of date during the trial as new GMO products are released, it doesnt address the issue of whether it is the same breed.
eg. As it happens, I like Fuji apples. That type. Fuji. They're the type I buy. But if a different GMO apple becomes available, would I, as a test participant, be *forced* to eat an apple type I dont like?
Or rice. On friday night I cooked a dish with Jasmine rice. And very nice it was too. Jasmine rice is the correct type for that dish. If a completely different GMO rice becomes available, is a participant *forced* to use a type of rice they dont otherwise use?
From where I sit right now, your "trial" seems like you'll just deliver a bag of corn flour once a week to each home with a note that reads "eat nothing except this".
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Didn't you hear? We're already part of this program and we have no choice in the matter. It's been going on for nearly 20 years.
for any period of time you all are crazy. I don’t care if it was non GMO or GMO that isn’t crap I would eat for a diet what do you think I am a farm animal. SICK. I have no problem eating them with a regular diet of meat and fish and fruits even meat and fish that have been fed GMOs but humans can’t survive on such a limited diet.
Only Soy, Corn, Alfalfa
for more than a few days yet I know those morons exist.
Only Soy, Corn, Alfalfa
A quick search of the internet says there is no GMO product available for a bazillion different common items, such as Bananas, Apples, Cantaloupe, Cherries, Currants, Dates, Figs, Grapes, Limes, Mango, Melons, Oranges, Hawaiian Papayas, Peaches, Pears, Plums, Prunes, Raisins, Walnuts, Cashews, Macadamia nuts, Oats, Wheat, Rice, Quinoa, Sorghum, Barley
all you need to do is get the basics that all farm animals use then we eat them or drink the milk take the jabs fromthe doctor and drink the cool aid game over eat the steak
Originally posted by ColeYounger
reply to post by alfa1
A quick search of the internet says there is no GMO product available for a bazillion different common items, such as Bananas, Apples, Cantaloupe, Cherries, Currants, Dates, Figs, Grapes, Limes, Mango, Melons, Oranges, Hawaiian Papayas, Peaches, Pears, Plums, Prunes, Raisins, Walnuts, Cashews, Macadamia nuts, Oats, Wheat, Rice, Quinoa, Sorghum, Barley
I live in the Central Plains, in the farming "breadbasket" of America. Throughout Kansas, Nebraska and Iowa, there are millions of acres of corn and soybeans. Millions. It's all GMO. The GMO business started with the big crops.
You can bet they already have their eyes on the other stuff.
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by dominicus
If any of you think that I would eat
for any period of time you all are crazy. I don’t care if it was non GMO or GMO that isn’t crap I would eat for a diet what do you think I am a farm animal. SICK. I have no problem eating them with a regular diet of meat and fish and fruits even meat and fish that have been fed GMOs but humans can’t survive on such a limited diet.
Only Soy, Corn, Alfalfa
What do you think other foods would cancel out the supposed negative effects of GMOs? In that case quite you’re bitching because your supposition is BS. I bet I eat something with GMOs in it every day with no negative affects at all. Only a moron would try to live off offor more than a few days yet I know those morons exist.
Only Soy, Corn, Alfalfa
I would eat GMOs with every meal every day no problem along with meats that were raised on GMOs but if you think someone would sign up to eat a diet of only a 3 plants for 5 years you are freaking morons. That goes for GMOs or non GMOs.
Originally posted by ColeYounger
reply to post by alfa1
A quick search of the internet says there is no GMO product available for a bazillion different common items, such as Bananas, Apples, Cantaloupe, Cherries, Currants, Dates, Figs, Grapes, Limes, Mango, Melons, Oranges, Hawaiian Papayas, Peaches, Pears, Plums, Prunes, Raisins, Walnuts, Cashews, Macadamia nuts, Oats, Wheat, Rice, Quinoa, Sorghum, Barley
I live in the Central Plains, in the farming "breadbasket" of America. Throughout Kansas, Nebraska and Iowa, there are millions of acres of corn and soybeans. Millions. It's all GMO. The GMO business started with the big crops.
You can bet they already have their eyes on the other stuff.
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by dominicus
You eat nothing but three tasteless foods for a year then come talk to me. I said I would do the study for free food not an idiotic diet that I wouldn't feed to my dog. You culdn’t pay me enough to eat just that for 5 years being non GMO. You must have boring meals.
Honestly go back and read the very first post after the OP which was mine I laid out what I am willing to do right there.
What are you afraid of? Give an inch you try to take a mile I am not a damn vegan. I don’t even know any vegans that would only eat three things for years. Again only a moron would try a diet like that or try to get others to eat just that.
Being chicken sh!t? No just not a moron.
Go eat your soy burger with alfalfa and corn side then come back and tell me how tasty it was. Non GMO for you of course. Never had a soy burger myself and wouldn’t care to try one but it sounds right up your alley kind of like a soup sandwich.