It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
So it had nothing to do with GWB, Cheney or Rumsfeld other than they inherited it.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter
Because the only other aircraft that I know of that hit a light pole and crashed was a Gulfstream III in Houston. It's a much lighter aircraft, hitting a much larger pole (they hit the pole at 198 feet). There is nothing to compare it to, as it hadn't happened before, with a large airliner.
But by all means, prove to me that a plane that size can't possibly sever a light pole.
edit on 8/12/2013 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)
There is nothing to compare it to, as it hadn't happened before, with a large airliner.
It's a much lighter aircraft, hitting a much larger pole (they hit the pole at 198 feet). There is nothing to compare it to, as it hadn't happened before, with a large airliner.
Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
Ah yes your comparing an Gulfstream III a private elitist airliner to an Boeing commercial airliner you do realize there are major differences between the two?
Not to mention the supposed terrorists couldn't even fly an trainer craft and now you expect me and everyone else here they actually have accomplished the impossible of flying.
There is nothing to compare it to, as it hadn't happened before, with a large airliner.
There is and thats called physics
An airliner of that size would crashed on the highway killing everyone including the pilot
By the current images we could still argue that it was an Boeing. Yet for some to compare to an small business air liner to an commercial airliner its like comparing an apple to an apple.
Show me where I compared the two.
Because the only other aircraft that I know of that hit a light pole and crashed was a Gulfstream III in Houston. It's a much lighter aircraft, hitting a much larger pole (they hit the pole at 198 feet). There is nothing to compare it to, as it hadn't happened before, with a large airliner.
So again, a car weighing about 2000 pounds can snap a light pole off at the base, but a plane weighing over 200,000 is going to clip the pole, and slam into the ground? That's amazing physics you have there.
You don't have to land or take off to do what they did, so why does that matter? And please, what was so impossible about it?
Really? They couldn't land and take off according to the flight school instructor, but what you and every other truther overlook is the fact that Hani Hanjour was an FAA certified commercial pilot,
Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter
Because the only other aircraft that I know of that hit a light pole and crashed was a Gulfstream III in Houston. It's a much lighter aircraft, hitting a much larger pole (they hit the pole at 198 feet). There is nothing to compare it to, as it hadn't happened before, with a large airliner.
But by all means, prove to me that a plane that size can't possibly sever a light pole.
edit on 8/12/2013 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)
Ah yes your comparing an Gulfstream III a private elitist airliner to an Boeing commercial airliner you do realize there are major differences between the two?
Not to mention the supposed terrorists couldn't even fly an trainer craft and now you expect me and everyone else here they actually have accomplished the impossible of flying.
Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
Show me where I compared the two.
Because the only other aircraft that I know of that hit a light pole and crashed was a Gulfstream III in Houston. It's a much lighter aircraft, hitting a much larger pole (they hit the pole at 198 feet). There is nothing to compare it to, as it hadn't happened before, with a large airliner.
Because the only other aircraft that I know of that hit a light pole and crashed was a Gulfstream III in Houston.
Thats comparing.
Here's more defending the official version, by not even challenging the image which i had provided. In which you claim that planes can actually do this.edit on 12-8-2013 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)
So again, a car weighing about 2000 pounds can snap a light pole off at the base, but a plane weighing over 200,000 is going to clip the pole, and slam into the ground? That's amazing physics you have there.
For an supposed Boeing airliner i am surprised it didn't just destroyed or the airliner crashed and burnt out on the highway thats great physics to you now.
So what your suggesting is that newbies can fly 737s and other Boeing without having either a year or years of experience to actual fly it? oh it matters a lot indeed.
Ah yes the bad bad terrorist was an FAA certified commercial pilot for which he apparently had paid off license. And had no training experience.
In 1996, Hanjour returned to the United States to pursue flight training,after being rejected by a Saudi flight school. He checked out flight schools in Florida, California, and Arizona; and he briefly started at a couple of them before returning to Saudi Arabia. In 1997, he returned to Florida and then, along with two friends, went back to Arizona and began his flight training there in earnest. After about three months, Hanjour was able to obtain his private pilot's license. Several more months of training yielded him a commercial pilot certificate, issued by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) in April 1999... Settling in Mesa, Hanjour began refresher training at his old school,Arizona Aviation. He wanted to train on multi-engine planes, but had difficulties because his English was not good enough.The instructor advised him to discontinue but Hanjour said he could not go home without completing the training. In early 2001, he started training on a Boeing 737 simulator at Pan Am International Flight Academy in Mesa.An instructor there found his work well below standard and discouraged him from continuing.Again, Hanjour persevered; he completed the initial training by the end of March 2001.
He flew a 747 down to 300 meters with no problems, and not on autopilot, and was going to fly under a bridge. Never flew anything but Microsoft Flight Simulator.
You have GOT to be kidding me. You seriously think that a Boeing 757, that weighs 127,000 pounds empty is going to hit a light pole and just explode? Or suddenly go "Oh, crap! I just hit that 400 pound light pole!" and stop flying? Have you ever seen the amount of damage a plane can land with? It's a hell of a lot more than it's going to get from hitting a light pole.
Have you ever seen the amount of damage a plane can land with? It's a hell of a lot more than it's going to get from hitting a light pole.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter
So anything that doesn't fit your view is unreliable. So basically you're putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "LALALALALA" and ignoring anything that might show you're wrong.
So anything that doesn't fit your view is unreliable.
Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
Lets all blame Microsoft Flight Simulator. As it was Microsoft Flight Simulator fault right? Microsoft Flight Simulator doesn't make you an pilot. If this your way of defending the official version of the suspected Saudi.
Then i had seen before it.
Did you even read my post carefully? i was also mentioning how the 757 would crashed onto the highway as it was an highway surprising closed off in the early morning.
And the supposed car was slightly damaged by an Boeing airliner that weights 127,000 pounds.edit on 12-8-2013 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)
This isn't a leaked photo from some secretive sessions with bin Laden, then - it came from a photo opportunity that hit the papers the very next day. And given that the bearded man appears to be the wrong height to be bin Laden, and there's no reason to believe bin Laden was ever in the Pakistani army, and it makes no sense that this soldier would be having important discussions with Brzezinski, and bin Laden wasn't significant at this time anyway, we'd suggest the most likely alternative is the one presented here: the bearded man was just another Pakistani soldier.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
Lets all blame Microsoft Flight Simulator. As it was Microsoft Flight Simulator fault right? Microsoft Flight Simulator doesn't make you an pilot. If this your way of defending the official version of the suspected Saudi.
Then i had seen before it.
Did I say blame Microsoft? I was simply pointing out that a person with zero training, as you claim Hani Hanjour had flew a 747, a much larger aircraft than a 757, with no problems, based on a flight simulator (which Hanjour had plenty of experience in, as well as flying real planes).
Did you even read my post carefully? i was also mentioning how the 757 would crashed onto the highway as it was an highway surprising closed off in the early morning.
And my response is the same. A light pole is designed to sheer off at the bottom if something (a two thousand pound car) hits it, but it's somehow going to not only stay intact, and not sheer, but it's going to cause a 120,000+ pound plane (closer to 250,000 probably at that time with fuel, cargo, and passengers), to stop flying, and slam into the highway?
Even if it somehow miraculously ripped the wing off and caused it to crash, the impact would have been far closer to the Pentagon than on the highway.
I saw a plane slam into a light pole at the end of the runway, bend it into a 45 degree angle, and the pilots weren't even aware of hitting it. They thought the plane ahead of them had left some debris on the runway from a blown tire or something.
And the supposed car was slightly damaged by an Boeing airliner that weights 127,000 pounds.edit on 12-8-2013 by Agent_USA_Supporter because: (no reason given)
No, the car was damaged by the light pole, not the plane. Nice try though.edit on 8/12/2013 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)edit on 8/12/2013 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)
No, the car was damaged by the light pole, not the plane. Nice try though.
Did I say blame Microsoft? I was simply pointing out that a person with zero training, as you claim Hani Hanjour had flew a 747, a much larger aircraft than a 757, with no problems, based on a flight simulator (which Hanjour had plenty of experience in, as well as flying real planes).
10/2010--Due to the offensive nature of the comments being posted, video commenting has been disabled on my videos.
TheTruthAbout9/11-Proving theories wrong one at a time
Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
one single light pole supposedly hitting the car then the car gets damaged and airliner hits Pentagon without even stopping or crashing onto the highway?