Don't believe the lies, Gay clubs in Russia FULL and STEAMING

Originally posted by AnyoneSeenJustice


And I support Putin because I know the truth, I don't get my facts from MSM or Obama or internet Shills

Gay clubs in Russia are not only operating, but steaming with debauchery every night.

And you know this is true HOW? Oh I know, because you visited the Gay Debauched clubs yourself to do research!!! Yeah, I know about that research!

Originally posted by AnyoneSeenJustice

What you fail to understand is long term thinking

or what you might call the BIG PICTURE

You see Russia used to be Soviet Union, and they had a collapse, the kind of collapse US will have next.

They went through the part where people had no food to eat, they experienced all that.

What the Russian leadership and people learned from all that hardship is that if you allow foreign powers to dictate your social policy through seemingly small things, like gay marriage or street gay parties. It is like giving them a foot in the door to bring in even bigger immorality.

Sex, DRUGS, more drugs, devaluation of family unit, destruction of education

So you can go ahead and think whatever you want of Putin and Russia, they will survive you.

While I agree with you about the stance Putin and the Russia in general is taking on the policies that are trying to be forced from outside (which I've made it so clear in here:www.abovetopsecret.com...), I disagree with you on the reasons you presented here. What kind of bigger immorality you're talking about? Sex? Drugs? Isn't all this already big in Russia? I mean you guys are the only nation on Earth that sell their women online as wives. Russian girls are in every strip joint or bordello (at least where I am). What kind of more immorality you can have? And drugs? Your ex KGB dudes who had all the contacts with the underground, after the collapse of BRSS became the most powerful drug lords of Europe, and Russia one of the biggest market of consumption of that drug etc. So lets give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and not jump from one thing to another. As I already said in another thread with a similar subject:

The issue is not LGBT community in Russia but is the stand of this country against the forced opinion and laws by the puppet masters. LGTB as a community cannot be banished by no laws. Is the people who massively condemn it and don't like it. In a lot of other ex communist countries who were forced to pass laws by the EU because WAS A CONDITION for this countries to be part of the union, still people massively don't like and are not ok with all this "gay hype." If you doubt my words then feel free to start a poll with people from Russia and other countries from ex communist block and see the result yourself. Of course there are gay people in this countries but the majority don't like that and there is no political decision that will change that. I'm sorry but that's the truth. In this aspect Russia is not doing anything different from what its people feel like massively.

I find the whole "Gay" thing rather distasteful, not because people prefer sex with others of the same gender, but that they must shout it from the rooftops and strut around in the streets, oiled up and dressed in lycra hotpants!

I mean, seriously, WTF! This is not a homophobic (silly term as I have no fear of homosexuals) hit piece, but can someone please explain to me WHY ones sexual orientation should be public knowledge and WHY one must then take to the streets in outrageously revealing "costumes" to push it on others? I don't ever recall seeing a single Heterosexual Pride Parade... anywhere... ever!

If this is the evil that Putin perpetrates, outlawing Gay Pride Parades and other such trashy and self indulgent street soft porn shows, then well done that man, I fully support it.

Wow, just wow. What the heck do illegal immigrants have to do with gay people? I think you might just be stretching it a little. if you feel Russia is such a great country' move there. I bet after a few months they're your mind will change quickly.

Originally posted by Britguy
I find the whole "Gay" thing rather distasteful, not because people prefer sex with others of the same gender, but that they must shout it from the rooftops and strut around in the streets, oiled up and dressed in lycra hotpants!

I mean, seriously, WTF! This is not a homophobic (silly term as I have no fear of homosexuals) hit piece, but can someone please explain to me WHY ones sexual orientation should be public knowledge and WHY one must then take to the streets in outrageously revealing "costumes" to push it on others? I don't ever recall seeing a single Heterosexual Pride Parade... anywhere... ever!

If this is the evil that Putin perpetrates, outlawing Gay Pride Parades and other such trashy and self indulgent street soft porn shows, then well done that man, I fully support it.

there have been straight pride parades,

and the reverse could be said, why is your straightness public knowledge? should we all go around wearing the same kind of clothes with the same haircut and the same everything so no one can tell anyone apart? you would rather suppress everyone's freedom of expression than tolerate gays being public about it?

this argument is always brought up 'oiled up soft porn parades' 'flamboyant costumes' so you would be okay with not allowing Mardi Gras parades with the oiled up soft porn women?

I find it ironic that Russia will most likely be the last best refuge for Christians after the muzzies have taken over the rest of the world.

I have been to Russia several times and lived in one of the former republics for over 6 years. Reminded me of America in the 1950's.

There are a lot worse places to live and the USA is rapidly becoming one of them. The Eastern Europeans have soundly rejected socialism and capitalism is bursting out all over.

As far as the gay thing, OP is probably very correct. Putin just does not want the gays or anyone else having parades about their sexuality. Do what you want to do, but do it in private and keep your mouth shut. You want a massage with a "happy ending", no problem and nobody is going to care. The police have better things to do there than ride herd over horny men.

reply to post by Darth_Prime


But... girls showing their boobies is so much less worse than guys walking around having pride for who they are!

I remember going to Mardi Gras when I was maybe 12 or 13 and throwing beads to women and getting them to flash me... an underage kid. Yet, I don't see anyone having a problem with that. Pretty hypocritical.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by Darth_Prime

 

But... girls showing their boobies is so much less worse than guys walking around having pride for who they are!

I remember going to Mardi Gras when I was maybe 12 or 13 and throwing beads to women and getting them to flash me... an underage kid. Yet, I don't see anyone having a problem with that. Pretty hypocritical.

Apparently you don't keep up on the news, as of the last 10-15 years if you are seen by police flashing any kind of nudity during Maris gras you be goin to the new Orleans slammer.

reply to post by Telos


You are making a good point here! In all this Russia and LGBTG - Russia talk there is a lot more to it. What many have forgotten that just a few years ago a few South American countries also contested the special right thing. Especially when it came to Gay marriage. And it came from the GAY community not so much from the "fundies". In the same toke for example the Dominican republic refused to have its citizen labeling themselves as "African American". Also quite a large number of them are "Black". - That's a story for another thread so.

The objection so many have with all this is not the Gay issue but the constant insistence in the US to Label and categorize people! There seems to be a fascination with American society to "put everyone into a Box". However for countries that are just emerging from the USSR and other dictatorship system, being "labelled" is the last thing these people want!

As bi-sexual person myself I have always stood up for gay rights or any sexual rights for that matter. However my stomach still turns each time I see footage of the so called "Pride" parades. Some time ago some over "fundy" cop-boss in our town raided and closed down a BDSM swing club. Naturally illegal action and sure we all protested. I did so too, also the mere thought of BDSM just makes me shiver. Yet the BDSM community does not do "Pride Parades" to get more people attracted to their lifestyles. As in any sexual likes/fetishes etc. those interested in them will find their information and their supportive communities anyhow without much of a problem! And this goes for any hobby or interests.

Personally I am quite close and "adopted" by my Russian community in my city. And I have never seen any animosity or hostility towards gays from their side. I know plenty of Russian gays who are part and parcel of common family celebrations as weddings, baptism and so forth within a large gathering of 'normal straight families'. No problem! What they object to is this being put in a "box". Once you are in a "Box" its easy for TPTB to just decide "which Box" to kick if they are looking for a scape goat.

Each culture deals with their more sensitive issues as the like the gay issue their way. And a "straight in your face" system does not go well with the Russian mentality. After all they are a bit an "Older" culture that has survived a lots of up and down scenarios. So they tend to keep to themselves. What happens in their bedroom is their business and for that they don't need an advocacy group.

reply to post by DelegateZero88


RT is funded by the Russian government and was established by RIA-Novosti although its operations have been claimed to be autonomous. They were headquartered in RIA-Novosti's headquarters until a couple years ago when they moved to a new location in Moscow. RT was specifically created to alter the Western world's opinions of Russia. In a way, RT would be, theoretically, similar to NPR, CBC or BBC (though I believe that the leadership of the BBC is dictated by the monarchy and not Parliament). In that light, the question of trusting them as a source depends on how much you trust that specific government to allow the unit to be actually autonomous while they also hold the purse strings. My own personal distrust of RT is due to a distrust of RIA-Novosti. When I was in the USSR, one of the things that I talked to the people I met about was basically a comparison of news. The determination I made was that RIA-Novosti was stuffed with bias and propaganda (then again, so are most of our news agencies these days).

reply to post by Darth_Prime


My sexual orientation is my buisness and nobody elses. I don't male a point of pointing out my sexual orientation to anyone as it's irrelevent. The "Gay Community" seem to think that THEIR sexual orientation should be everybody's business, and that they are somehow special and exempt from what used to be considered moral and decent behaviour in public. They really need to get over themselves and grow up!

Is Rick Santorum trolling ATS?

Originally posted by AnyoneSeenJustice

Originally posted by Darth_Prime
Well, maybe one day in America they will make all the straight people keep it in their house and not in public

sound good?

i'm all for freedom of thought, expression, and speech, but it goes both ways

I am all for you having fun with your boyfriend/partner in clubs or houses.

But look at my son in a sexual way on the street and I'll punch you in the face (metaphorically speaking)

Love how you're instantly assuming your son is a fine piece of ass and also like all gay men are predators. Get over yourself mate, go spread your bigoted opinion in a bible-thumping forum.

reply to post by Britguy


If you are talking about Pride parades and events, of course that is what you are going to find, same as if you went to a church meeting you would find a bunch of religious people there,a pride event is going to be predominately gay people celebrating

how much of that do you see everyday though? that is peoples argument but how much of that do you see daily? how much 'Oiled up soft core pron' homosexuals do you see in daily life?

everyone expresses themselves differently, through fashion and makeup accessories etc, gay and straight people

reply to post by AnyoneSeenJustice


Ha ha...You are making sick fun, aren't you? Nobody really make these ignorant and stupid conclusions: if you are gay, you could do it with everyone and anything despite age, species, material, time of year and most importantly: the lack of mutuality. I have come to the conclusion that you are not for real. Seriously. This must be an experiment where you try to see how many and how much ATS people will agree with such a statement - and how many you can pis off.

Stop drinking the whiskey, you are not nice to the Christians right now

Pics or it didn't happen! I want to see these gay clubs! Wow, I went looking, and I swear some of the pictures I found were of Russian gays being clubbed. Disappointing!

However - you make a good point, I think you clarified the law.

Originally posted by AnyoneSeenJustice

Originally posted by Darth_Prime
Well, maybe one day in America they will make all the straight people keep it in their house and not in public

sound good?

i'm all for freedom of thought, expression, and speech, but it goes both ways

I am all for you having fun with your boyfriend/partner in clubs or houses.

But look at my son in a sexual way on the street and I'll punch you in the face (metaphorically speaking)

I hope you're prepared to punch pretty young girls in the face too if they look at your son!

You may not even know you had a subconscious agenda in this thread (that's me giving you benefit of the doubt)
But....

Wow some of the comments are special, since when is taking rights away from human behings an ok thing, and since when is russia a moral compass for the rest of the world.

Thats just my opinion

reply to post by AnyoneSeenJustice


No I am talkinh about russia today. I just, last week, looked through an article by a photo journalist that went to Russia to document the TB outbreak. The hospital was in deplorable conditions with a short staff and limited resources.

Also no need for straw man arguments. I didn't say America was in great shape, but it's better off than Russia. Detroit is an exception. What city wouldbyou have named if Detroit wasn't an option?

Having read what the OP had written, I went and did a bit of investigating to see what is what, and read through the posting, the following can be stated:

Vladimir Putin, yes he was in the KGB, in it for 16 years, attaining the rank of Lt Colonel. He retired and entered into politics, and ultimately worked for Yeltsin and thust was elected as primier of Russia, several times.

When Putin came to power, the country was in shambles, due to the change over from the old Soviet regiem to more glasnos, and it was his first term that he managed to change the country around. The man is a leader, of that there is no doubt, and very popular with the public, hence why he keeps getting elected into office and follows the laws to the letter. He is intelligent, and ultimately very effective at what he does. There are reports of scandles, more specifically the assissination of people who has offended him, most have not been proven one way or the other, but it is not enough to sway public opinion against him.

Now the laws in Russia are very specific as they are written, discussing and talking about homosexuallity in public or displaying any thing of such a nature is strictly forbidden in Russia, where there would be fines and jail time for breaking those laws. Ultimately, it is the laws that is causing the backlash, where people who are gay, are being forced back into the closet.

Yes there are gay night clubs in Russia, but they are not doing well, as fear is spreding in the gay community there, when you consider that most police would arrest a gay person for being gay in public, combined with that roving gangs are actually beating people up for being gay, it is going to be a very bad situation all around. And though I am curious to see if the Russian police are doing anything about these viscious attacks, or are they turning a blind eye to the entire situation. So far what is being shown is that they Russian police is turning an blind eye and the official stance of the government is not to condone such actions, showing that they are taking on more of a vigilante justice/mob mentality of a fear, where a person is considered guilty without benefit of a trial.

Now I read what many wrote, and this can be stated:

The issue is about how gay people is being treated in Russia. Contrary to popular beliefs, most gay men are not into young people, or those underage. Nor are they into beastality. There are all sorts out there and the majority are not into such, no matter how much people would like to believe. Nor is everyone of the same belief or faith as has been shown in some of the posting.