Nicola Tesla. Stifled Hero.

DaVinci's "evil" inventions

For lighter relief.

reply to post by tachyonmind

he didn't actually do this as i see it, he simply asked if, in light of tesla's personal views and perspective, is his reputation amoung some as a "hero" justified?

In current society?

A society that covets un-talented oxygen thieves who's only claim to fame is a sex tape?
A society that covets drug cheating and adulterous sporting stars?

Tesla at least contributed something significant to this world.

I wouldn't put him in the hero category though, but then I don't have anyone I'd consider to be a hero. Ok maybe someone like Kurt Fearnley...

So anyway, I guess my point here is that depending on your views and beliefs, Tesla could be called a hero by some and a monster by others.

But so could the likes of Churchill, Henry Ford and many more.

Originally posted by AlphaHawk
reply to post by tachyonmind

 

he didn't actually do this as i see it, he simply asked if, in light of tesla's personal views and perspective, is his reputation amoung some as a "hero" justified?

In current society?

A society that covets un-talented oxygen thieves who's only claim to fame is a sex tape?
A society that covets drug cheating and adulterous sporting stars?

Tesla at least contributed something significant to this world.

you suggest that the value of a person's life is relative to what they contribute to the same society you apparently abhor?

I wouldn't put him in the hero category though, but then I don't have anyone I'd consider to be a hero. Ok maybe someone like Kurt Fearnley...

So anyway, I guess my point here is that depending on your views and beliefs, Tesla could be called a hero by some and a monster by others.

But so could the likes of Churchill, Henry Ford and many more.

indeed.

reply to post by tachyonmind

you suggest that the value of a person's life is relative to what they contribute to the same society you apparently abhor?

Not necessarily, just pointing out that modern society seems to have a penchant for placing extraordinarily average people on high pedestals.

Credit where credit is due I say.

Originally posted by AlphaHawk
reply to post by tachyonmind

 

you suggest that the value of a person's life is relative to what they contribute to the same society you apparently abhor?

Not necessarily, just pointing out that modern society seems to have a penchant for placing extraordinarily average people on high pedestals.

Credit where credit is due I say.

ok then, just try not to qualify an argument with terms like; "oxygen thieves" =)

Do we say, "yes look that dog is stupid and ugly and for some reason extremely aggressive, let's keep his genes going"? No we do not. We breed the good in dogs. The dog fighting few are irrelevant. For instance, my vet told my sister to absolutely not breed her pug because it was stupid, his eyes were bulging out dangerously and his breathing was nothing but snorting.

What I mean is there are a ton of stupid, child molesting, inbred cross eyed idiot humans in this world and they should be castrated in my opinion. Big sloth humans with no intelligence whatsoever have kids everyday and is this good for humans? No.
Tesla was a lot smarter than anyone on this whole board. I take his view seriously. He is right. Im not scared to say it and I dont care if Nazis liked the idea or not.
Nature does this for us anyway. I dont see many big fat slob idiots getting in good with the ladies and having kids.

reply to post by ErgoTheEgo


There is a moral / ethical lag that is experienced. How morals and ethics evolve and how they get recorded in the history books depends onn how a view is tested and circulated among peers. These opinions and arguments either are integrated into the larger societal context / consciousness and upheld or they are dismissed. This trend of cultural lag is fairly typical right down to how fashion trends circulate the globe.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Rikku

 

removing bad genes from the gene pool is not such a bad thing,

So you're a eugenicist too?
But who decides what the criteria are? The Nazis figured it was Jews. Tesla specifically mentions "the criminal and the insane". By many accounts Tesla was insane. Do you think he would have advocated his own sterilization? Probably not. Should Vincent Van Gogh been sterilized (though it turned out not to be necessary)?

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I think I understand your concern. Something like this, that might have good intentions, could easily end up turning in to a nightmare with the wrong people in charge.

This is exactly the same concern everyone should have about what's happening with the NSA spying on all of us. The intention is for good, but how long will it be before someone in charge turns it into a nightmare?

At first I was, "Not another Nicola Tesla thread..."

But then I saw it was you, so then automatic SnF. Good job.

How easy is it to "Arm Chair Quarterback" men of the past? Very easy, just scroll up.

We have had great minds in the world, today and yesterday.
To take away from the good they did and try to figure out why they did it, all most is the
"Why did the chicken cross the road" thing.

Telsa made great strides in his work and help open the eyes of many young upcoming minds.
He may have been many things, to many people… but you cannot take away from the fact he helped us in a great many ways with all he did, regardless of his personal views and of ours.

Personally I did not know the man and all we have are accounts from those that did.
Question is, did the Really Know him at all???

He wanted sociopaths sterilized so they can't dominate the political scene in today's elections?

He wanted criminals sterilized, so a criminal off-spring wouldn't try to rule the entire planet?

He was intelligent enough to see how wretched people put in high places can and will wreak havoc...?

Was Tesla motivated by wealth?

I think he was motivated by the thought of living in a utopia, where everyone is free and equal; once the disease of oppression gets cured...

I think Tesla, was pivotal in our technological evolution. Yet as all great minds, they seem to speak their own truth's whether society is ready for what is said or not. I think Tesla, when looking to the future, looked for the fastest way for us to evolve and travel the stars etc. whether it was right or wrong it was just what and how he believed we could get their the fastest.

I am not sure if that makes any sense, I cannot speak for the guy, but I do not dislike Tesla, he was smart, and to be frank most all great mind have a dark side to them all, a ideology or understanding that is not mainstream. I do believe some hard choices will have to be made in the future to preserve our survival thou..

reply to post by Phage


Yeah, getting pretty sick and tired of the eugenics = Nazism comparison. Sure, the Nazi's twisted the principle of guided reproduction and turned into something evil. But, can anyone tell me why, if were possible, it wouldn't be a bad idea to restrict reproduction using methods that were 100% reversible,

And don't give me that "you're playing God bulls***." From a societal standpoint, think of how a lot of negative aspects of society could be changed over the course of a couple generations. Instead of killing babies, just limit reproduction until someone can prove they are able to raise a child (monetarily, emotionally, etc.)

Sure, there are cases where great leaders were born into families that had nothing, but I would rather see guided reproduction over killing babies because of a "mistake" someone made.

There seems to be some automatic irony between Tesla's utopian dreams and the fact that his discoveries only led to the further convenience of human activity, causing us to become lazy via not having to work as hard...

With electricity, it's much easier to be productive without exercise, much easier to take advantage of others and much easier to inflate the population to astounding proportions.

For every upside, there is always an equal downside.
Intelligence: The Disease

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by ErgoTheEgo

 

It's the "hero" aspect that is the crux of the topic.

To clarify:
Is it reasonable that an avowed eugenicist be placed in high standing as a hero to mankind when his concept of mankind excludes elements deemed, by him, to be unworthy of producing children.

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well I can think of millions of religious fanatics, fat lazy useless people, gypo's, peodophiles that I would not have a problem with seeing them dead. If this disgusts you well tough. maybe hitler went a little crazy but his undesirables in some cases were just that.and i'm afraid they are still with us

.know doubt you have seen the influx of ROMANIAN pickpockets creep into the UK and we find out they have just been released from jail in there own country for the same selfish crime only to come into my country to carry on. NO sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

I don't fully agree with eugenics when you have people like bill gates involved.but it's an ellitests wet dream.
farmers have been selectively breeding the best of there stock for years and the elites do the same(never works for them though just look at those gimps)

Tesla had his problems but they say it's a fine line between madness and genius. he was a mad genius

reply to post by Phage

So you're a eugenicist too?

What is your problem with eugenics..

[W]e might at least venture to ask what the moral difference is between breeding for musical ability and forcing a child to take music lessons. Or why it is acceptable to train fast runners and high jumpers but not to breed them.

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Dawkins

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by geobro

 

people forget he lived in a time when it was the american thing to do they even handed out prizes for the best eugenics clinics /states and gave the idea to germany .

You have some evidence that Nazi Germany got it's "idea" from the US? But what about his "arch rival", Thomas Edison?

Comedy, especially farcical exaggeration, became a powerful tool for antieugenics filmmakers in particular, beginning in 1904 with Thomas Edison's The Strenuous Life, or Anti-race Suicide, a four-minute film satirizing contemporary pushes for increased fertility among the white, educated upper classes.

books.google.com...

Earthquake machines. Death rays....from the mind of a eugenicist.
So which one was really working for the NWO?

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The earthquake machine was very simple. He found a bit of girder being thrown out by a local construction company. Taking it home, he figured it must have a natural resonance frequency, so made a little gadget that applied an electromagnetic field to the beam that would make it vibrate to cause standing waves (like swinging a rope). It worked, the girder started to vibrate then snapped in half. He then wondered what would happen if he did this to the whole structure. So he went down to the basement at night, and attached the device to one girder partially cemented into the bedrock. Slowly the whole structure started to move at a very low frequency, gradually gaining amplitude until the nearby residents could feel the ground vibrate too (no different from a heavy goods vehicle driving past). When the police arrived, he grabbed the device and fled the premises before he was caught. It would be one more step to imagine for Tesla to imagine he could that to the whole planet.

Death rays? We have microwave dishes used for radar and communication that will kill any person that walks in front of them. The individuals get their internal organs cooked.

Originally posted by Freenrgy2
reply to post by Phage

 

Yeah, getting pretty sick and tired of the eugenics = Nazism comparison. Sure, the Nazi's twisted the principle of guided reproduction and turned into something evil. But, can anyone tell me why, if were possible, it wouldn't be a bad idea to restrict reproduction using methods that were 100% reversible,

And don't give me that "you're playing God bulls***." From a societal standpoint, think of how a lot of negative aspects of society could be changed over the course of a couple generations. Instead of killing babies, just limit reproduction until someone can prove they are able to raise a child (monetarily, emotionally, etc.)

Sure, there are cases where great leaders were born into families that had nothing, but I would rather see guided reproduction over killing babies because of a "mistake" someone made.

Um,

Ok,

I prefer freedom friend.

That means the right for each individual person to choose the path they wish to walk.

Not some self serving "better than everyone else" traitor of humanity making the decisions for us all.
Hell you might not have been born if we adopted your messed up ideology.

Seriously, your not playing god. You are playing the fool. The one who thinks that they deserve to be here and someon else does'nt. Get the irony?

reply to post by Phage

Tesla often contridicted himself various times in regards to philosophy or religion dependeding on the particular time of his life.
Any logical mind could see the huge advantage of eugenics and without a moral code why would eugenics be bad. Plato and Socrates came to the same conclusion as Tesla and many others. Look at Darwin he is celebrated by science and he was the biggest racist in science. Groups in science, society, and religions would love to totally destroy belief systems they don't think is true just to make the world how they ebelieve it should be. You can see it posted on ATS all the time.

Also to add another note here. Allot of the technology we utilized everyday, RPG's Jets. computers, the first man rocket flight stealth technology, and allot of other things YOU USE everyday.. Was developed by natzi's


so its easy to hate a scientist who has some far fetched ideology, but if not for these mad scientists we would have never made it to the moon in the 60's, doubtful we would be using jets, prob. still be using bi planes

oh they even invented magnetic tape, aka cassette tapes..

what is the point of this thread? We should all be mad at scientists? Until our species can make the hard decisions when it comes to our survival we will continue to prove to ourselves just how stupid we really are..