Americans committed the worst genocide in world history

reply to post by Damian65


You know it's funny, I laughed my ass off over you using your little jack off picture in another thread, and now it just seems, well, belligerent.

It's almost like whenever you see someone who doesn't agree with you, you masturbate. Curious habit that.

Either way, Historical facts are facts. There was a documented effort to wipe out native populations in the U.S, BY the U.S government. The fact you remain retardedly ignorant to facts does not make you impervious to them, despite your masturbating duck.

Originally posted by ThinkingHuman

Originally posted by FlyersFan

 

Everyone on the planet comes from a culture or history that has been murdering or cruel to others. EVERYONE. America and/or Americans aren't 'the worst'. That's silly.

When I grew up the consensus was that the US was one of the few 'good guys', protectors of freedom and human rights. Disillusionment has set in - partially.

Is it really silly?

No its not silly. Learning american history even as a school boy I asked the question to myself, about my race....."so when we are not killing each other we are killing everybody else". Then I realized this could be said of many races and that mankind is "mad". Even the american native tribes killed each other before during and after killing whites.

Originally posted by finitedualities

Originally posted by sonnny1
Seeing that disease killed 70-90 percent, I would have to say the "genocide" label is just a pretext to try and make the US, villain number one, all time.

Yes, let us just sweep The Trail of Tears, Wounded Knee, and Custer's Last Stand under the rug. It was disease, people. No wrongs happened... Your sympathetic attitude towards the expansionists is almost rude. All civilizations have sought to expand after periods of success, but that doesn't mean we should judge the means by which those expansions happened just, no matter how we've profited.

Uh, it was the white man who got wiped out in Custer's Last Stand.


Just sayin'...

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During the 19th Century America went through a period of "Ethnic Cleansing"
That cannot be denied by any American.

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by ThinkingHuman

Originally posted by FlyersFan

 

Everyone on the planet comes from a culture or history that has been murdering or cruel to others. EVERYONE. America and/or Americans aren't 'the worst'. That's silly.

When I grew up the consensus was that the US was one of the few 'good guys', protectors of freedom and human rights. Disillusionment has set in - partially.

Is it really silly?

No its not silly. Learning american history even as a school boy I asked the question to myself, about my race....."so when we are not killing each other we are killing everybody else". Then I realized this could be said of many races and that mankind is "mad". Even the american native tribes killed each other before during and after killing whites.

True. The Walt Disney image of pre-Columbian native American culture did not exist.

Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by Damian65

 

During the 19th Century America went through a period of "Ethnic Cleansing"
That cannot be denied by any American.

Hay I got to point out that the first call for ethnic cleansing came from the Shawnee Chief Tecumseh. He openly advocated for a union of Indian tribes to kill or completely drive every last white out of north america. His racism set a new tone in relationship between whites and natives as did his ability to united tribes in that effort.

reply to post by ThinkingHuman


Are you over four hundred years old? Because otherwise you are not responsible for the genocide commited back then.

I don't feel the least bit sorry about what happened and no guilt trip is going to make me feel sorry about something I had no participation in. I find it disgusting that people let themselves get guilted into thinking they are somehow responsible for the sins commited hundreds of years ago by others simply because their skin is white. It's not your fault, let it go

Yes you did not kill anyone, you had nothing to do with what happened 300-400 yrs ago... but are you not benefiting from what your ancestors did? you have a country that is predominantly the race as the invaded force.

All those people claiming, hey it happened to all countries in the past, people were killed lands were taken, people moved around different parts of the world.

What do you feel about immigration?

Hypocrisy starting in 3..2..1...


Oh and there is always that one person that claims "they were already killing each other, they sold each other"... there is a difference between a family affair and a outsider affair. Its like claiming, you fighting your wife is the same as an outsider fighting with your wife.

Nobody is saying your ancestors are the only people who did this, its about accepting and moving on.. denying will keep the issue alive while being ignorant.

Originally posted by luciddream



Oh and there is always that one person that claims "they were already killing each other, they sold each other"... there is a difference between a family affair and a outsider affair. Its like claiming, you fighting your wife is the same as an outsider fighting with your wife.

So it really is a race issue with you then. Red can kill Red sure but that's different. At least after the wars and killing a red man was still in charge. A man cant kill his own but don't you try it. That's why 1000's of non-Aztecs joined Cortez to destroy the Aztecs.

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by Damian65

 

During the 19th Century America went through a period of "Ethnic Cleansing"
That cannot be denied by any American.

Hay I got to point out that the first call for ethnic cleansing came from the Shawnee Chief Tecumseh. He openly advocated for a union of Indian tribes to kill or completely drive every last white out of north america. His racism set a new tone in relationship between whites and natives as did his ability to united tribes in that effort.

edit on 2-8-2013 by Logarock because: n

Are you aware that Ethnic Cleansing was a specific programme set up by The US Government during the 19th Century?
Which government was Chief Tecumseh speaking of behalf of? In fact in his eye it wasn't ethnic cleansing but in fact an action of driving the foreign invaders from his lands. There is a difference.

Originally posted by ThinkingHuman
And you don't even ask yourself why?

Maybe you have never been on the "other side" of history.

why does any war, civilization collapse, cultural extinction or genocide happen? the reasons are many and varied and we can only guess the reasons but at least understand a few basic facts on the matter.

first is the fact at least 80% of natives in the Americas were decimated before 1650, second is the fact most died from diseases that came from Europe and not war or genocide, third is the fact that the majority of the native population occupied central and south America, fourth is the fact that at their peak natives in north America numbered 7 million, fifth is the fact that throughout Canada, Mexico and the US the native population numbers around 18 million right now.

I don't have any guilt over it, my European ancestors were having sex with my Cherokee ancestors and because of that i'm here today so...guilt free Mutt. Truth be told my native american kin could have millions more numbers if they didn't have their heads shoved up their asses trying to preserve the purebloods so they can rule over their casino empires getting white and black people hooked on gambling and taking their money on rigged gaming tables. They snub their noses at half breeds like me and make us outcasts in the tribes. Hearing the elders talk, if they had it to do all over again they would have committed the genocide and killed the Europeans when they were still colonizing. Don't try playing the blame game, no one is innocent, we're all sinners here.

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Once again, there is so much mis-information in the OP leading up to the main point, it's hard to stomach arguing with you, but at least these points needs to be made:
When civilized (wheel, metal-working, animal domesticating, written language, fence-building,etc) people find lands occupied by un-civilized people, the un-civilized response is invariably war-like--because that is what they understand they must do to survive. And it nearly always fails (Sentinelese so far holding out).
Genocide must involve Government decisions on murder. There are a few incidents where this may have happened on a small scale in the US, but never on a nation-wide scale.
The most important factor in demise of the American Natives was lack of resistence to European diseases. The current most important factor is desire for, and susceptibility to the toxic effects of, alcohol. A secondary factor is their seeming inability to adjust to civilization(lack of desire to rise above primitive human conditions)

Originally posted by MuzzleBreak
reply to post by ThinkingHuman

 

When civilized (wheel, metal-working, animal domesticating, written language, fence-building,etc) people find lands occupied by un-civilized people, the un-civilized response is invariably war-like--because that is what they understand they must do to survive. And it nearly always fails (Sentinelese so far holding out).

Rubbish

nativeamerican.lostsoulsgenealogy.com...

I have no remorse for past history, I was not there and was not the one being victimized and killed by indians. I own some land on the Standing Rock Indian Reservation and I used to audit reservations 40 years ago. Not much has changed, back then new homes were built for indians and they kicked the doors off broke out the windows and made campfires in the middle of the floors of those houses.

The only mistake the Laramie Treaty made, was moving these people onto reservations where they were allowed to continue a poverty and crime ridden lifestyle. Today in Corson County South Dakota there are about 600 white ranchers, the rest are indians in 2600 square miles in that county. Nothing much has changed in 40 years, the same problems exist.

Around 1910 each indian received an allotment of land which they could not sell for 20 years some made the transition to ranching, but most did not. Over the generations descendants have died or moved away, and today most of the land is rented to ranchers, and the indian allotments is land that cannot be disposed of by descendents because as it passed down over the years, the parcels allocated to each generation became smaller and smaller.

I was fortunate, in that the small ranch I purchased up there was held in tact by the decendents and they did have good title to the land.

In Indian Country today, the land on the reservations are mainly owned by descendants known and unknown and cannot be conveyed to or sold to anyone because no one has authority to sell the land or convey a Warranty Deed.

If they would have been allowed to integrate into the general population their ancestors would have benefited greatly from the development of the United States. In Short, the indians have elected to live the way the live, and limit their opportunities and ended up on reservations because of the havoc they created as Americans moved Westward.

You know, when you find a rattlesnake in your backyard you kill it, and that was what the indians were they were preying upon white setlers, just like the Islamics are doing to the infidels todayl John

Originally posted by Logarock

 

Learning american history even as a school boy I asked the question to myself, about my race....."so when we are not killing each other we are killing everybody else". Then I realized this could be said of many races and that mankind is "mad". Even the american native tribes killed each other before during and after killing whites.

I agree with you. 100%. I am not Native American, no blame, no reparations.

But I am trying to learn, not only from what happened 200 years ago but mostly from the reaction we experience today in our classrooms.

We are lucky that it can be swept under the carpet. For our own sake and that of our children, don't you want to know the truth?

Originally posted by Faust100f
I have no remorse for past history, I was not there and was not the one being victimized and killed by indians. I own some land on the Standing Rock Indian Reservation and I used to audit reservations 40 years ago. Not much has changed, back then new homes were built for indians and they kicked the doors off broke out the windows and made campfires in the middle of the floors of those houses.

I can't disagree with what you say because I have not lived through the same experiences. Part of what you say is, if I understand correctly, that the Indians didn't get such a raw deal, okay, and they were so uncivilized that they could not be compared with civilized European settlers, also okay.

Maybe that makes it okay to kill dozens of millions of them, I don't know what morals to apply here.

I am focused on the reaction today, that we/our ancestors get a pass for this being just fine. What does it tell us when we see our history in that way?

Aaaahh you Yanks
Those Indians were not as evolved as us Caucasians, genetically inferior in fact.
Darwinism taught they were not even human, like Irish and Jews.
Dont blame any one for killing of sub humans like Indians or even Aboriginals in Australia. they were not humans, dont deserve to waste good oxygen on them either

On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life
www.naturalselectionanddarwinism.com...
Indians Irish Jews Aboriginals were subhuman, so said Darwin

Sadly Darwinism has a very dark and evil past...Cult anyone???

Originally posted by ThinkingHuman

Originally posted by Logarock

 

Learning american history even as a school boy I asked the question to myself, about my race....."so when we are not killing each other we are killing everybody else". Then I realized this could be said of many races and that mankind is "mad". Even the american native tribes killed each other before during and after killing whites.

I agree with you. 100%. I am not Native American, no blame, no reparations.

But I am trying to learn, not only from what happened 200 years ago but mostly from the reaction we experience today in our classrooms.

We are lucky that it can be swept under the carpet. For our own sake and that of our children, don't you want to know the truth?

A good start on the truth would be reading "Empire of the Summer Moon" by S.C. Gwynne. Comanche warriors were the most skilled cavalry in history and were a formidable foe for all who entered their lands.

Originally posted by DeadSeraph

 

Is that what your history books tell you? Because if so, You just justified the OP. I am appalled if that is your version of American history.

ETA:

To make it clear where I stand: The U.S government made killing "indians" a past time, and when the natives proved difficult to kill, the drove their food source (The Buffalo) to the brink of extinction with the WRITTEN desire of wiping out the native americans.

I am floored anyone could blame disease for the planned genocide of the native american people by the U.S government. IT WAS STATE SANCTIONED POLICY.

Thank you for pointing that out.