Hidden in plain sight Phonecian coin.

Originally posted by anonentity

Originally posted by demongoat
Considering the discription this sounds like atlantis not america, atlantis is called an island.
It is also beyond the pillars and would be closer than america to africa.

I think the fastest time that Columbus went from Spain to Landfall in America was just under four weeks, In a Caravel. The Phoenician ships seemed to be faster. Well below the time that scurvy would be a problem. I wouldn't say the trip was sweet but flying fish jump into the boat sometimes . The structures under the sea off of Cuba seem to be indicative of an Ancient presence. Time no doubt will tell.

That seem remarkable fast, source? The fastest I know of 34 days from the Canaries to the outer islands of the carribean.

Why would you think a Phoenician ship would be faster? Oh an at this time there is no evidence of 'structures' off of Cuba - there are a number of threads on that subject.

Its a shame we haven't got any, references to how long the sailing time to Atlantis was

Plato didn't feel a need to create any!

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You might want to look at the original research and look specifically at the age of and provenance of the mummies.

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He left Spain October the 13th 1493. went a bit further south than before and sighted the island of Dominica on November the 3. That's a pretty good time.
The Phoenicians had ships with a lower superstructure, and used oars as well. I don't think the Caravels had the oars as backup. If the Phoenicians went to South America they may have needed them in the doldrums.

Originally posted by anonentity
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He left Spain October the 13th 1493. went a bit further south than before and sighted the island of Dominica on November the 3. That's a pretty good time.
The Phoenicians had ships with a lower superstructure, and used oars as well. I don't think the Caravels had the oars as backup. If the Phoenicians went to South America they may have needed them in the doldrums.

You are counting the days from when he left the Canary islands he left Spain on September 24, so 39 days or five and half weeks.

Phoenician ships had an inferior sailing method to a caravel. You may wish to read the following book to gain an idea of what ancient ships could do

Seagoing ships & seamanshi in the bronze age levant by Wachsmann ISBN 0-89096-709-1 you might also want to look at Greek trireme speeds which are known

Top speed for a caravel was about 8 knots; the average was 4 knots for 90-100 miles in a day.

Trimeme: Maximum (with oars) over 9 knots (17 km/h) in short bursts. Continuous (crew rowing in turns) 4.0 kilometres per hour (2.5 mph) 2.15 knots (estimated).

Phoenician sailing ship like a merchant could probably do 5 knots

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Thanks for the clarification.

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I think this might sum it up. There were a lot of pockets of mathematical sophistication in Polynesia, but were certainly ignored by the mainstream. Plus many linguistic clues left from the past ie. what are the chances that RA was the same name for the sun as present day Maoris use, and Ka meaning parrot in Polynesia, and in Egypt means the little bird which hovers over the dead. Many more but you get the idea.

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If you are interested in linguistic 'reconstruction' you might find this link helpful

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It is great when 2 scientific people collaborate on, and prove, a bogus claim.
It shows others on ATS that science and mathematics are your friend, and your only recourse when trying to challenge opposing statements against accepted scientific evidence. (note1)
Thanks!

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To bust a scientific truth, evidence must be presented that shows that scientific truth false. No whimsical speculation or otherwise personal belief need apply, unless you can at least show that your version of reality has legs that walk.

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The problem I have with a bronze age culture interacting and having trade relations with Pre-columbian America is that Pre-Columbian Amerians were STILL using stone aged tools when the Spanish arrived.

Were there regular or even brief contact between the new world and the old world there would have been some trade not only in material goods, but also technologies like bronze smithing.

Do we see Bronze age style weapons in the new world?
NO.

We see lots of flint knives and clubs studded with obsidian and such, but, no bronze swords or other similar that would have come at a huge advantage in the war-like cultures of South America.

were there not quite a few catastrophes before columbus arrived?