Online pornography to be blocked by default, PM to announce

Originally posted by samuel1990
You may be a father of teenage girls, but think of the teen boys!

I think this is stupid and I thank the universe this isn't something that'll be taken on here in Australia!

Poor kids will have to waste time developing morals and responsibilities instead of jerking off.

Poor little kids.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I only watched porn once many years ago, it made me feel extremely uncomfortable even explicit sex scene in a movie does, there ya are sitting with the family and sudden the need for a sex scene when one really isn't necessary, it can be a love scene but leave something to the imagination.

Sex is sacred, sex is beautiful with a person you are deeply in love with. Sex is possibly the most sacred act between a couple the time the two become one. At this point it is not entertainment.

Do you think the porn industry has somehow diminished the beauty and sacred experience of sex?

Ever waited for that special moment, anticipation and discipline have their reward.

Porn is like having fast food when you could have had a steak.

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Doesn't the world have enough problems to consider everything a disorder? People put down gamblers, drug addicts, sex addicts, homosexuals, ciggarete smokers, people not motivated enough in life, people with ugly girlfriends or ugly boyfriends, poor people, etc YET have no problem watching war movies, listening to lies on the television, supporting corrupt politicians, gossiping about neighbors, whatever low class bs one desires.

Were you not the person saying "yuck" about masturbating? Maybe you dont reaslise some couples use porn as a stimulus for their boring sex life. Some people dont wish to have a relationship for x/y/z reasons, some people are too poor to support a familty.

But thats the problem. I guess we are stuck in the 60s lifestyle with ultra-conservative values, especially people living in the western states. Europeans tend to be more open about sex, the body, more cultural, etc Lets just say more liberal or progressive.

I have no problem with porn. I can understand many older generation men and women get turned off with it because they grew up with strict moral codes. I grew up in the east coast in the 80s and 90s in a liberal enviroment. Smoking pot there was normal, smoking pot in the west is a big taboo. Just saying!

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


yeah but sex is something that is an inherent personal responsibility. You cant just go out jumping on someone like dogs do and expect them to respect you or perhaps let you live. The reason young people are expirementing so much is because society and media are subliminaly telling them it's going to happen, they might as well start early, instead of using their time while young and fresh to fill their brain with a path to self sustanance.

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX

Originally posted by samuel1990
You may be a father of teenage girls, but think of the teen boys!

I think this is stupid and I thank the universe this isn't something that'll be taken on here in Australia!

Poor kids will have to waste time developing morals and responsibilities instead of jerking off.

Poor little kids.

Anything that supports a smaller population is good in my book.

Birth control and abortions included.

Ask the chineese!

The same parents that claim to be so worried about kids seeing porn, are probably the same parents who's alternative is to sit their kids in front of the TV taking in mainstream lies and propaganda. You allow your kid to be dumbed down to the point that they can't determine the difference between watching porn, and becoming addicted to it.
Is a woman in porn any more degrading than following a church and its "morals" when it consistently covers up child molestation cases ? One could argue that the Catholic church is degrading to children ! So lets ban any form of religion on the internet, because that's the mentality some of you have !
Where I live, a sex shop was opening up and all the religious nuts and do-gooders came out in force saying it would lead to drug use, anti-social behaviour and prostitutes standing on the corner of the sex shop. Yet after 10 years of the sex shop operating, not ONE reported crime, no drug use near the shop and not ONE prostitute seen anywhere in the area near the shop and no increase of prostitution.
Its no different to the stupid argument that gambling makes people become gambling addicts. NO, gambling addicts become addicts because they don't have the critical thinking to know when to draw the line or when enough is enough. Probably because they got sat in front of the TV during their childhood and have lost the ability to use critical thinking, and who's decision was it to sit junior in front of the TV..........Mummy and Daddy !

Its ironic that porn is so "evil", yet it is one of the biggest turnover industries in the world, which can only be possible by having a demand for it. And to the people who keep calling it prostitution...........whats the oldest profession in the world again ? Maybe you should snap out of your unrealistic moral Utopia you live in and come back to the real world, because the results of the real world throw your whole argument out the window, where it belongs !

We hear time and time again now, that a large portion of child molesters where molested themselves as children. More often than not, the person molesting the child was a family member or close friend with access to the child. So in actual fact, the biggest threat to a child being molested comes from inside the family home, or by people close to the home. Maybe we should ban families and homes just to be safe ? And in all honesty, the only way someone online can molest your child, is if your child either gives them personal information about themselves, or agrees to meet up with that other person. Doesn't that put the onus back on your child, and you as a parent explaining this to them ? But this just highlights what I said in an earlier post, "if only some of you parents knew what your sweet innocent kids were really up to on the internet" !

If for example, your 14 year old daughter agrees to meet up with a man she knows is over 18, and something bad happens to her, how much of the role of victim can she claim ? Yes, she is a victim of a crime, but how much did she contribute to the crime taking place ? If you claim to be mature enough that you can go online and chat with older men, then you must be mature enough to take responsibility for YOUR actions, and the possible consequences.

Originally posted by truthermantwo
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

yeah but sex is something that is an inherent personal responsibility. You cant just go out jumping on someone like dogs do and expect them to respect you or perhaps let you live. The reason young people are expirementing so much is because society and media are subliminaly telling them it's going to happen, they might as well start early, instead of using their time while young and fresh to fill their brain with a path to self sustanance.

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I was not advocating rape or teenage pregnancies. Sex and having children requires consent.

People choose their own path in life.

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It's no wonder.... when my parents were young, people wanted to be like Bruce Lee or Janet Leigh. Now young people want to be like Lady Gaga, Kobe Bryant, and an entire roster of low-lifes.

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX

Originally posted by samuel1990
You may be a father of teenage girls, but think of the teen boys!

I think this is stupid and I thank the universe this isn't something that'll be taken on here in Australia!

Poor kids will have to waste time developing morals and responsibilities instead of jerking off.

Poor little kids.

Is it OK if they jerk off with their imagination?

Originally posted by _Phoenix_

Is it OK if they jerk off with their imagination?

No!!

If they need some help they can use this:




This one picture has been approved by the "Tight Assed Group of Sexual Conformists Council".

reply to post by mOjOm


OH GOD! They're gonna ban National Geographic!

reply to post by mOjOm


The milk has done dried up!

Originally posted by mOjOm

Originally posted by _Phoenix_

Is it OK if they jerk off with their imagination?

No!!

If they need some help they can use this:




This one picture has been approved by the "Tight Assed Group of Sexual Conformists Council".

Lol.

Because I believe moral integrity is much more easily obtained through innocence and a good upbringing, rather than pornography and masturbation, I'm a tight-ass. You got me, I'm evil.

Just like any bad habit, people will defend it to the death if they advocate it.

People defend what they condone, and condemn the unknown... etc etc...

Please open your minds a little bit, and understand that not all kids grew up exposed to the *sexual revolution* .... alternatively, not all teens grew up masturbating.

Its a bad habit, a temporary fix used to fill a void, like many things (eating disorders, kleptomania, etc).

I understand its somewhat of a "natural side-effect." But its a bad habit. Like an eating disorder, one can slowly be trained out of it... and things like pornography are designed to do the exact opposite, not to mention give men and women a false, unrealistic sense of what should be seen as "attractive."

Pornography doesn't seem to have any good side-effects on the human mind.

That's my only point.

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX


why is masturbation a bad habit? if you look at it from a realistic perspective I would say its perfectly normal and healthy. it discourages early dating which can lead to unwanted pregnancies and serves to release stress.

you think only boys masturbate? what about the girls? you would be suprised indeed....

it also prevents the need for abortion, and we know how conservatives LOVE to bash abortion, dont we?

get real!

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX


I don't think you're evil. I just thought a little humor might be nice after 29 pages of the same argument being gone over again and again and again....

We aren't going to ban humor too are we??

I don't disagree that porn can in fact lead to a messed up idea of human sexuality. I don't even approve of all the porn which is out there myself. However, I also realize that what I like isn't going to be the same as what other people like and I think we all need to decide for ourselves what we want to include in our lives. Not only that but I believe that when one person does the choosing for another it takes away that other individuals right and responsibility to make those choices on their own.

If we are all allowed to choose for ourselves, we are then responsible for the choices we make which results in each of us learning which choices are right and wrong for ourselves. Making those important choices in our lives, both good and bad, right and wrong, is the only way each one of us will be able to understand our place in life. That is the true path to enlightenment and to "Know Thyself".

I believe Kant said it best:

What Is Enlightenment? by: Immanuel Kant

Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment.

Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large part of mankind gladly remain minors all their lives, long after nature has freed them from external guidance. They are the reasons why it is so easy for others to set themselves up as guardians. It is so comfortable to be a minor. If I have a book that thinks for me, a pastor who acts as my conscience, a physician who prescribes my diet, and so on--then I have no need to exert myself. I have no need to think, if only I can pay; others will take care of that disagreeable business for me. Those guardians who have kindly taken supervision upon themselves see to it that the overwhelming majority of mankind--among them the entire fair sex--should consider the step to maturity, not only as hard, but as extremely dangerous. First, these guardians make their domestic cattle stupid and carefully prevent the docile creatures from taking a single step without the leading-strings to which they have fastened them. Then they show them the danger that would threaten them if they should try to walk by themselves. Now this danger is really not very great; after stumbling a few times they would, at last, learn to walk. However, examples of such failures intimidate and generally discourage all further attempts.

It's continued here...

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

Because I believe moral integrity is much more easily obtained through innocence and a good upbringing, rather than pornography and masturbation, I'm a tight-ass. You got me, I'm evil. Just like any bad habit, people will defend it to the death if they advocate it. People defend what they condone, and condemn the unknown... etc etc...

You have absolutely no idea woman.

Imagine you're a kid, playing with your friends, when all of a sudden an older "developed" girl walks by. You notice a strange tingle in your body and don't know why, but you can't take your eyes off of her developments. What's going on? Before all I cared for were my video games, baseball cards, friends, and ipod.... but now something is changing.

.......over the next few years as puberty hits, and your body is literally flooded with MASSIVE amounts of testosterone, any slight breeze the wrong way, seeing the gap in a fence, a bumpy ride in the car or bus in the morning to school, or seeing two apples next to each other, or anything round, creates a flood of thoughts in your mind that cause you to need to release the excess build up in your body....

Like Urine.....when the bladder is full, needs to be released and does so by sending nerve impulses to the brain to remind you to empty it.

When a man's prostate is full of procreation gel, it triggers the mind of a male to go look at porn for the sake of releasing the excess.

The only ones who are against porn on this thread, are the women, who have no idea how bad we have it.

Repressing it is the worst. Those who repress the need for sexual release are those who do similar acts to Catholic priests. There are volumes of books written on the subject.

I guarantee you if this passes in the UK, sexual assualts, rapes, and pedofilia will go up 10 fold or more like it already is in the third world muslim countries ....good luck with that by the way!!!!

And by the way. For all you thought cops who are celebrating, consider this. The countries where people are most likely to be "exploited" in the most harmful ways are those wonderful places where they had ghastly authoritarian police states for decades and their governments broke their spirit so utterly and completely that you could beat them into submission with a feather now.

So maybe you should celebrate the fact that you're encouraging the kind of government that will systematically break and beat people down until they literally cannot understand the concept of freedom. Then they will truly be as vulnerable as you believe everyone is now. They will not understand the consequences of a bad choice because they will never be allowed to make one. And the more choices that are taken away from them, the more excuses the nanny state will have to grow in order to protect them from themselves. Because then they really will be a bunch of "innocent" morons.

All of those rotten nanny states eventually decayed and withered away leaving the populaces they turned into drones completely clueless. These hellholes are where the worst things are most likely to happen.

Originally posted by ForteanOrg
reply to post by Miccey

 

Sure, let's forbid Tor and deny surpressed people the right to communicate with other parts of the world freely

Allow it and you allow CP...Better?!?!?

So to give freedom of speach to surpresse ppl in other countries
you thinks its acceptable to molest kids...
THAT is what happens...No matter how you twist it.

reply to post by mikegrouchy


"Aye, there's the rub.

"Are we making the world safe for wankers,
or for innocence and virginity?
While it still lasts."

I think we should be making the world safe for everyone. "They" however wish to remove the freedom that remains piece by piece, little by little until all that left is total control of our everyday life's.

Welcome to the hive brother! Where your every actions and emotional response is monitored by government sponsored prudes that obviously have aspirations toward Godhood!

I see it as a good thing but how successful it will be, is something else. At least it's a better approach than the Clinton attempt to flat-out ban porn which failed as it went against the principal of free speech when it got to the courts.

The worst worrying point for most is that there'll be a database of users who choose have the blanket lifted which will make it much easier to track down ppl accessing the worst sorts of this material which is illegal in most countries. Another is that the 'net until recently seemed to be virtually owned by would-be moguls investing in porn sites (of course most of them go bust and sell to another hopeful to cut their losses). Will the cashflow into net based sites be slowed down by this is yet to be seen.

reply to post by curiouswa


have any direct evidence to substantiate such a claim !

I was exposed to porn at a young age as I found pornographic material outside in a bush ( which is common in the 80's in the UK )

and then later on at my friends house in his dads room !

followed shortly by the internet on my 56Kbps modem !

I am perfectly sane and have a healthy relationship with my fiance'