Deep oceans warming at an alarming rate

www.nbcnews.com...

Check out this article, ATS. Here's a dose of doom-porn for everyone to savor. There's an article on NBCnews.com that talks about the deep ocean and the accelerated rate at which they are warming. I'm kinda surprised that there is talk on this topic on NbcNews.com. It might really be serious.

[url=http://www.nbcnews.com/science/deep-oceans-warming-alarming-rate-6C10606562]

reply to post by lostbook


wow nice info! are this is the triger of severe weather condition all over the earth??

Ever read 'Not by Fire but By Ice' by Robert Felix?

Deep ocean warming could trigger severe climatic events and sudden global atmospheric cooling. An interesting theory, but so interesting that yes the oceans are warming rapidly with undersea volacanic activity increasing. All planets inthe solar system appear to be warming.

Oceans warming = increased evaporation.

Increased Evaporation = more rain/storms
= more blocking of the suns rays

More rain/storms = more destruction.

More cloud cover = cooling.....


could go either way......increased cloud cover could capture and retain the heat if coming from within like a greenhouse effect (i.e. Venus)

or cloud cover may cool the earth more than its being heated from internally......


?

Does this mean Global Warming is back ..... yawn

2nd

Originally posted by bigyin
Does this mean Global Warming is back .....

According to climate depot, dated 7/8/2013, there has been no arctic ice melt north of 80n this year, and as heat rises, seems like the heat is just not enough to affect Arctic ice at all.
Going back a year, to 4/12/2012, largest amount ever recorded of ice in the Bering sea since records began.
Just why is the northern hemisphere having such cold summers? Alaska has only just come into its 'spring' !

Warmer water rises, it doesn't sink and warm up the water at lower depths. Therefore if they are saying that very deep water is warming, then that heat source must be coming from below, not above!
Of course, they never factor in natural warming sources such as undersea vents and volcanic activity. In fact, I remember seeing a rather startling quote a while back from one of the manic man-made climate change pushing "scientists", where he even admitted that they just don't know how many vents and volcanoes there are in the oceans, and so don't factor that into their calculations! Say what?

three weeks ago i was at porthmadog black rock sands beach and it was a very hot day yet the water was like very cold infact it was that cold my legs were blue
then last week we went to Trearddur Bay, Isle of Anglesey same again very cold water

so if deep oceans are getting warmer why not the coastal waters why are they very cold and not warm?????

EDIT: So im with Britguy above my reply he has to be on to something in my opinion

lol you guys dont even know the true horror that lies within this story. I suggest you read up on Methane Hydrates. The human excrement is going to hit the fan sooner than you think.

reply to post by Britguy


If I understand the mechanics at all (and I am by no means qualified to speak on the topic), the rising and sinking of water has less to do with the temperature and more to do with the salnity/density...so yes...warm heavy (high salt density) water would indeed sink and carry the heat with it as it sank.

But what do I know...just a thought.

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Put the best link you know here about them please dude

reply to post by minor007
Expalin more please.

MEthane Hydrates

Methane is 20 times more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2. Locked up at the bottom of the sea lies millions and millions tonnes of methane hydrates in solid form. IT only takes a few degrees rise in temperature to release this methane into the ocean and eventually into the atmosphere where it will wreck havoc with the weather.

reply to post by minor007
I understand. But haven't NASA recently declared 'quietly' that CO2 is not causing warming but a coolant? Is it possible therefore that methane may turn out to be a 'super coolant'?

The article made it sound as if they are not willing to make a call either way, and that's good because this is all theoretical, the data is incomplete, there are nothing but models and theories of the possible results of these observations.

I am not a "Global Warming" debunker, since the global warming issues are all just theoretical, how is it that some nimrods in government are proposing a carbon tax/carbon trading to help fix it somehow?.

We can capitalize on this "Global Warming" theory by scaring the consumers of the world into buying our Priuses and solar panels, now that we have control of that market, they say now.

On to the next market, nothing happens until they develop a market for it by convincing us there is some need for us to do this or buy that.

I don't really know who or what to believe anymore, so I don't believe anyone or anything until it is proven to me that they are truthful, or I see it is true with my own eyes.

No matter, we have pretty much destroyed our planet anyway.....It'll balance itself back out and probably kill a whole bunch of us off, if not all, in the process...

Methane release would be the big issue here. I haven't seen the data regarding extinction events related to methane, hope we don't have one coming.

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The effects of Global Warming can also be capitalized on. The best way to do that is to do nothing which is exactly what the US government has done regarding all of it. One side says it's happening, the other laughs and scoffs and say it's impossible for us to have any effect on the climate... the result? Little more than words.

Meanwhile the climate is changing and already having drastic effects in various areas and on various peoples, doing nothing ensures who gets to manage the consequences.

Regarding the topic...

Yes the oceans are warming, at the surface and down to about 600m it's fairly clear that AGW is responsible, if the very deep oceans are in fact warming as well, it's less clear and I'd like to read the scientific opinions on why.

Warming at a depth of 0-500 or so meters. The Gulf Stream, for example, which helps modulate the climate of the Northern Hemisphere, runs up to depths of 5000 meters.

The problem here is coastal flora and fauna. The increased temps ruin the native specie's habitat, and that could spell disaster for local ecologies. Disrupt the food chain, and the effect will cascade.

Not good.

reply to post by Elliot


I think u missed the posts where most people with a brain had pointed out that CO2 is a coolant only at the very edge of space it has the opposite effect when CO2 is in the atmosphere

Heres the thread and do read it carefully especially phages post

Deep ocean warmth is something another member here directed me toward looking at weeks ago and in that elusive thing we call free time, I've tried to squeeze in as much as I can for research.

first... It's so disingenuous to connect this with Man's actions it's just obscene. I honestly think we WILL eventually see logic developed at this point to explain temperature increases on other planets concurrent to Earth. If they can call deep water currents a direct and causative outcome of Man's behavior in the air above? Well.... Anything can be explained through that Prism at this point. Absolutely anything imaginable.

The Phenomeon of the Ocean water temp rise seems serious enough though and that is where the "global warming" crowd needs THROWN out the window before we die chasing a pipe dream of man-made intervention to a problem we didn't cause in the first place.

The Earth is seeing deep sea volcanic vents and entire volcanoes coming up into shallow waters where they haven't been before. We're seeing large numbers of intelligent species like Dolphins and Whales beaching themselves with such fierce determination, it's like they're running from something in the depths and it's happened several times in the last 18 months alone. I thought Navy Sonar may have been the ticket ...but ocean temps at depth give me a BIG moment of pause on such assumptions.

If people focus all their energies on a pity and guilty party about how we need a guilt trip long enough to reach the moon and back, then fine....privately ...while others really NEED to focus on what NATURE may be doing around us and what they may mean for our future.

If changes really ARE coming in natural cycles ....the limits to those cycles, as history shows again and again, range FAR outside human habitability in wide swaths of the Planet. Whole Continents have become literally unlivable, even with our technology.

I'd give science a big cookie to start examining how we deal with cyclic changes we may have ZERO chance of changing or mitigating. Especially if it's all starting down where humans can't even GO for more than mere minutes and rarely at that.