China to join Russia for largest naval drills with foreign partner

China to join Russia for largest naval drills with foreign partner

www.guardian.co.uk

China will join Russia later this week for its largest-ever naval drills with a foreign partner, underlining deepening ties between the former cold war rivals along with Beijing's desire for closer links with regional militaries.

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So China, and Russia holding joint exercises most people will say who cares?

People should care for these reasons.

The 2 worlds largest countries, largest milltaries, most wealth consolidated in to one place.

Both are building up their military,modernizing,building ships,nukes, foreign influence in to Africa, and the ME.

What is the US doing?

Gutting it's military,gutting its nuclear arsenal. and has a bad case of 'hope and change' and alienating 'allies'.

And there we all are caught between a rock and a hard case.

www.guardian.co.uk
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It almost makes ya wonder at times, just whose side 'our side' is on at times. Now if Americans are wondering that, imagine how allies feel. Some in very precarious positions if the US craps out on them. Taiwan comes to mind as one of several around the world.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I dunno

Has anything really changed much? Seems to me that we've seen a very similar scenario before. Only this time the Soviets are gone and Russia is much smaller, Eastern Europe is no longer behind the Iron curtain or under their thumb and China has economic ties with their neighbors..

Call me jaded...Meh

reply to post by SLAYER69


Actually NATO has made lots of headway into former warsaw pact nations especially in eastern europe. The last five years with arab spring nato has also made headway into the middle east stealing former russian allies.

I am not on russia's side just stating the facts.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Actually NATO has made lots of headway into former warsaw pact nations especially in eastern europe. The last five years with arab spring nato has also made headway into the middle east stealing former russian allies.

I am not on russia's side just stating the facts.

AND

How does any of that contradict what I've posted?

reply to post by neo96


You are kidding about usa cutting back its defense? We have plenty of nukes, plenty of aircraft carriers, plenty of stealth aircraft, plenty of modern tanks, and 3 million force of active&reserve servicemen.

We also have NATO itself that includes UK and France as the backbone. And many more countries.

Nothing to break a sweat over. Its not like the american government really cares about america, they care more about starting wars in the middle east to install puppets.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Jaded?

Would say 'American allies' are feeling that

Northern Africa, Egypt,Libya,Algeria filled with absolute disgust with the US at the moment,

European 'Allies' pretty much the same

American influence has severely diminished in the past 60 years

Middle Eastern 'allies' never have been 'allies'

Most countries in the world prefer Russia and China over the US these days especially for economic reasons.

IMO others will vary.

reply to post by SLAYER69


I jumped the gun looking at your soviet union map and reading your first sentence.

Lots has changed in favor of NATO!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by neo96

 

You are kidding about usa cutting back its defense? We have plenty of nukes, plenty of aircraft carriers, plenty of stealth aircraft, plenty of modern tanks, and 3 million force of active&reserve servicemen.

We also have NATO itself that includes UK and France as the backbone. And many more countries.

Nothing to break a sweat over. Its not like the american government really cares about america, they care more about starting wars in the middle east to install puppets.

1000 nukes

Army to cut combat brigades

Killed the F-22

And the list goes on.

We also have NATO itself that includes UK and France as the backbone. And many more countries

We don't have NATO between the spying, and the financial turmoil in the EU.

Nothing to break a sweat over.

Feel free others don't feel the same they see the writing on the wall.

reply to post by neo96


NATO is doing a better job destroying nato countries then russia or china ever could. The enemy is closer to home than you think. And 1000 nukes is nothing to laugh about either.

reply to post by neo96
How much millitary hardware will allow you to sleep easy at night? The u.s already spends more per annum than the rest of the world combined.

logic:
an close neighbour is better than an far friend "-)

Originally posted by Atzil321
reply to post by neo96

 

How much millitary hardware will allow you to sleep easy at night? The u.s already spends more per annum than the rest of the world combined.

As much as it takes that's not 40 to 60 years old while others build better newer systems.

I find it odd how when US/Japan naval excercises take place, people "insist" this is normal, it's happened for awhile, etc.

Russia/China excercises? Obviously there is some kind of sinister reason for that.

The double-standard people ploy, supporting their country blindly rather than rationally, incredible, really. You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.

Quit cherry-picking non-relevant news stories to coincide with this one on the premise that these "excercises between Ru/China are not good news, especially when you look at the US's [supposed] defense cuts.

I may be missing the point entirely, but I see no ulterior motive to this. Training excercises are used to indoctrinate the troops, not to show off "global allies in an ever-increasing hostile world."

Talk about ATS doom-porn.

reply to post by RomeByFire

I find it odd how when US/Japan naval excercises take place, people "insist" this is normal, it's happened for awhile, etc.

Why would anything be 'odd' about it since the US has been in Japan since the end of ww2.

Yeah people nothing to see here move right along:

Russia and China agree to oil deal

Russia and China back guess who?

Russia arms deals in the ME

Saudi Arabia,China Sign Nuclear deal

reply to post by SLAYER69


I think you're right and little, if anything has changed. In a literal way, as it happens with your map. Some nations have changed color outright and some perhaps a shade of lavender would be more fitting. Some, certainly deeper red or deeper blue than before.

I think two things have changed though. First, China and Russia were rivals...always to a friendly level and quite often to small examples of outright hostility across their borders. Thankfully never to outright war in modern times. Never to this degree of alliance though, either. I'm not sure if that's good or bad.

The other thing is the seeming willful ignorance in the West to the fact there is another side to the world, or even that there has been. I had a lengthy and well linked thread all written last night about foreign intelligence services relating to how the US is the best for tech but among the smaller and less effective, but just ended up deleting it. It didn't seem worth the bother on second thought, as the lack of foundation to debate seems to make it about pointless to try at times. The scary thing is, that same issue exists among the current leaders too. At least on our side.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
The other thing is the seeming willful ignorance in the West to the fact there is another side to the world, or even that there has been.

I disagree. The West has fought several wars in the East. WW-II, Korea and Vietnam. Good, bad or indifferent. Not to mention the fact that the West are the largest investors in China's rise. It wasn't too long ago that Apple which only has 49% control of it's interest in China (the Chinese Government 51%) was raked over the coals for the recent suicides, meanwhile the main employer (the Chinese Government) wasn't even mentioned.

But I digress,,

I had a lengthy and well linked thread all written last night about foreign intelligence services relating to how the US is the best for tech but among the smaller and less effective, but just ended up deleting it. It didn't seem worth the bother on second thought, as the lack of foundation to debate seems to make it about pointless to try at times. The scary thing is, that same issue exists among the current leaders too. At least on our side.

No More Years!

No More Years!

No More Years...

reply to post by neo96


You must be joking if you think NATO/OTAN is weak or that we're on the back foot.

I've started a thread here about the alliance's maritime forces. Go through that, all the ships & submarines that we have. Oh, by the way, as you do it you might notice the US Navy hasn't even been covered yet.

What do the Russians & Chinese have compared to us ?

Not much at all.

"The Big Navy Thread"
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