The Zimmerman Trial

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


I'm on my iPhone I don't know how to, but this is where I found it:

www.dailymail.co.uk... icture-slain-teen.html

Notice the loaded magazine on the table. Magazine in gun, judging by the trigger position I'd bet 100$ there's one in the chamber. Also, notice his finger on the trigger......HUGE mistake!!! This is why minors shouldn't have handguns. He was begging for a negligent discharge.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by MrWendal

 

I answered to show that there were many answers that made since before jumping to assaut. If he would've asked I bet Zimmerman would have talked and Trayvon could say "I'm staying with my dad who lives here" and he'd still be alive. If you assaulted the person and continued beating them the person would be justified in defending themselves with deadly force.

He may have said yes to the question are you following but saying following close behind as if he remained in visual conact is a fantasy situation.

edit on 29-6-2013 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)

Under what obligation is Trayvon Martin under to explain himself to a total stranger? Jumping to assault makes sense to me if you view the other party as a threat, and as I feel I have shown already, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that Trayvon Martin could have easily viewed Zimmerman as a threat.

reply to post by MrWendal


That is absolutely ignorant. Jumping to assault if you view the other person as any sort of threat? A person that hasn't been within' ten feet of you? Hasn't said a word to you?

You would escape from them and then when you gained an advantage jump them?

Trayvon escaped, he did not feel threatened or Zimmerman would have never seen him again.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by MrWendal

 

Sigh.. Zimmerman didn't start the fight Martin did. Done with our line of conversation.

Again Gogo, you do not know this as fact because you were NOT there! Were you hiding in the bushes? Were you watching from a window? Were you even in the same State? Unless you were there to witness the event you can not say for 100% certainty who started the fight. You know who was winning the fight, you know who finished the fight, but there is NO possible way you know who started it. You're speculating, you're assuming, just like the rest of us.

Originally posted by MrWendal

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by MrWendal

 

I answered to show that there were many answers that made since before jumping to assaut. If he would've asked I bet Zimmerman would have talked and Trayvon could say "I'm staying with my dad who lives here" and he'd still be alive. If you assaulted the person and continued beating them the person would be justified in defending themselves with deadly force.

He may have said yes to the question are you following but saying following close behind as if he remained in visual conact is a fantasy situation.

edit on 29-6-2013 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)

Under what obligation is Trayvon Martin under to explain himself to a total stranger? Jumping to assault makes sense to me if you view the other party as a threat, and as I feel I have shown already, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that Trayvon Martin could have easily viewed Zimmerman as a threat.

No I showed you a few pages back that the prosecution would be fools to try that line.

They lost sight of each other it was pitch black. If you are scared go home, call the police, get your dad. You do not go and confront someone if you are scared that doesn’t make a lick of sense.

Martin was not scared. It was pitch black anyone could have got away.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by IvanAstikov

 

Erm... George admits that Trayvon spoke to him before the physical altercation began, not that Trayvon lay in wait and attacked him completely without warning, and he also says Trayvon asked him a question. This matches what the girl talking on the phone to Trayvon shortly before he died says,

This right here is interesting. Zimmerman's accounts that Trayvon came out of nowhere or ambushed him and just randomly attacked him without any discussion or initiation, doesn't seem to stack up in court with the witness testimony. Even Zimmerman's supporters admit that there was probably contact, verbal contact prior, this doesn't fit in with Zimmerman's initially claim. It's fairly apparent he tried to boost his version of events.

I actually covered this in another post. According to Zimmerman Trayvon came out of no where and asked him

Trayvon: You got a problem?

Zimmerman: No, I got no problem

Trayvon: You got a problem a now.

and then Trayvon punches him in the face starting the fight. This can be found in Zimmerman's reenactment video and these are his words.

According to the girl on the phone the conversation went like this...

Trayvon: What you following me for?

Zimmerman: What are you doing here?

at which point it sounds like there is contact and the phone cuts off.

reply to post by Grimpachi


He will never acknowledge the obvious. You and I have both explained it multiple times.
Martin obviously didn't feel very threatened, not physically, or he would have gone inside when he got home.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by MrWendal

 

That is absolutely ignorant. Jumping to assault if you view the other person as any sort of threat? A person that hasn't been within' ten feet of you? Hasn't said a word to you?

You would escape from them and then when you gained an advantage jump them?

Trayvon escaped, he did not feel threatened or Zimmerman would have never seen him again.

edit on 29-6-2013 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)

You just debunked yourself. Hasn't said a word to you? According to Zimmerman himself, words were exchanged. According to a witness, words were exchanged.

Jumping to assault if you view someone as a threat? Absolutely I would!

Originally posted by MrWendal

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by IvanAstikov

 

Erm... George admits that Trayvon spoke to him before the physical altercation began, not that Trayvon lay in wait and attacked him completely without warning, and he also says Trayvon asked him a question. This matches what the girl talking on the phone to Trayvon shortly before he died says,

This right here is interesting. Zimmerman's accounts that Trayvon came out of nowhere or ambushed him and just randomly attacked him without any discussion or initiation, doesn't seem to stack up in court with the witness testimony. Even Zimmerman's supporters admit that there was probably contact, verbal contact prior, this doesn't fit in with Zimmerman's initially claim. It's fairly apparent he tried to boost his version of events.

I actually covered this in another post. According to Zimmerman Trayvon came out of no where and asked him

Trayvon: You got a problem?

Zimmerman: No, I got no problem

Trayvon: You got a problem a now.

and then Trayvon punches him in the face starting the fight. This can be found in Zimmerman's reenactment video and these are his words.

According to the girl on the phone the conversation went like this...

Trayvon: What you following me for?

Zimmerman: What are you doing here?

at which point it sounds like there is contact and the phone cuts off.

In her deposition she said Zimmerman replied

What are you talking about.

Her story changed remember.

Originally posted by Grimpachi
No I showed you a few pages back that the prosecution would be fools to try that line.

They lost sight of each other it was pitch black. If you are scared go home, call the police, get your dad. You do not go and confront someone if you are scared that doesn’t make a lick of sense.

Martin was not scared. It was pitch black anyone could have got away.

AT what point did I say Martin was "scared"? I said he viewed Zimmerman as a possible threat. There is a difference.

here is another with text messages.

read the text messages.

in the 3rd one talks about sharing .380 ( for you that don't know that a hand gun) not one his mommy bought him.
5th one talks about fighting
the sixth one is kinda spooky to me,
a reply from the person he is texting says "Boy don't get one planted in your chest".

Tryvon's Cell Pictures

ETA: thought i'd post his text messages





man i just thought about this, look at the 14th line and next to the last line in the 3rd text above.

it says
" Naw i'm not done wit fool.....he gone 2see me again"
and
" Naw but he aint breed nuff for me only his nose.......but afta dat im done"

i think this shows the mind set that little Tthug had. one once you make him mad he's gonna get you, and that he likes to hit people in the nose. i think where he wrote breed he meant bleed

after reading these i can see why the state didn't want to let them in.

reply to post by MrWendal


Her story doesn't even make sense. Based on the real life Zimmerman I find it unlikely given his demeanor on the phone and in interviews that he would sucker punch someone after saying "what are you doing here."

It is really unlikely her version is the real version.

Think about it for one second. Why would Martin approach Zimmerman? Do you think he really became suddenly interested in why the guy might be following him? After he had multiple chances to ask him what he wanted, and instead ran, and then had chances to go in his home, but instead stayed and waited on Zimmerman. There is a reason Martin approached Zimmerman, and it was most likely to attack him. The prosecution really needed Trayvon to not approach George for their story to hold up. It doesn't make sense for someone to run scared from someone and then casually approach them to ask why they are doing 4 minutes later.

Originally posted by MrWendal

Originally posted by Grimpachi
No I showed you a few pages back that the prosecution would be fools to try that line.

They lost sight of each other it was pitch black. If you are scared go home, call the police, get your dad. You do not go and confront someone if you are scared that doesn’t make a lick of sense.

Martin was not scared. It was pitch black anyone could have got away.

AT what point did I say Martin was "scared"? I said he viewed Zimmerman as a possible threat. There is a difference.

Well in that case your entire premise is done.

Just because you perceive someone as a threat does not give you the right to attack someone. He had ample time and opportunity to handle the matter intelligently as in.

Go home, call police, and get his dad. Not go back and fight.

Once contact was broken he had 0 reasons to feel threatened. He reinitiated contact and that is a documented fact. It is irrefutable by either side. CASE CLOSED.

reply to post by MrWendal


I agree Trayvon wasn't scared. I ask you though, If he wasn't scared then why did he run?

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

He will never acknowledge the obvious. You and I have both explained it multiple times.
Martin obviously didn't feel very threatened, not physically, or he would have gone inside when he got home.

This is simply not true. You are in no position to say what someone would have or would not have done if they feel threatened. Maybe you would run and hide. Me? Not in a million years and I have the record that proves it.

How funny that you now claim I will not acknowledge the obvious, but just a few pages back when I was wrong and it was shown that I was wrong... I admitted I was wrong, but know I will not acknowledge the obvious? Sorry but I think you have me confused with yourself.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


That is creepy! His friend predicted he would be shot (in the chest, of all places)
He sarcastically replied "lol I'm scared"
His friend replied "you should be"

reply to post by riffraff


yep in the chest, just about three months before it happened.
anybody reading these text should be able to tell which way his life was heading.

Here's a distraction:
I have a question and I'm especially interested in what the pro-Martin crowd thinks. Why do you guys think Trayvon was presented to the world via MSM as a 12 year old child? Though fully grown Trayvon was technically still a child. So why the deception?
Also why were the 911 tapes edited to make Zimmerman look like a racist?
This is a conspiracy site, so lets talk about this for a minute. We all may have different opinions about what PROBABLY happened, but were all smart enough to be on this site; we're all searching for truth.
Again, Zimmerman may be innocent, he may be guilty. But MSM deceived us ALL with TM's pre-pubescent picture. And MSM straight up lied to us ALL about GZ's call to the police.

We should ALL be furious about that

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

WRONG. Martin's comment was very racist. "Unfortunate"? Why, because it's known he said it, and that messes up the angelic picture so many tried to paint of this guy? He clearly was the racist they wanted to make believe that Zimmerman was. Zimmerman isn't one. Martin was. His comment was of the same order as a white person using the "n" word. His use of the "c" word is no more excusable. The fact that so many seem to think one word isn't even acceptable to print, and the other is, also shows racism, from one side of the issue. Equal means equal, not one side receiving special treatment.

This shows such a basic lack of understanding, not just of how racism works, but of the structural history of race relations. A white person using the term "'n-word'" does not operate from an equal position as a black person using the word "cracker". The 'equality' that you want - in order to lynch Martin - does not exist, and cannot exist.

Martin wasn't shot because of hos color, or because he "infringed on" any "etiquette expected of him"; he was shot because he circled back and attacked a man for walking in his own neighborhood, and reporting suspicious activity to the police. His actions, following his comment, show real racism.

There is NO evidence that Zimmerman is racist, and plenty to show that he is NOT. He mentored black kids, and defended a black homeless man who was beaten by police. His own genetics are mixed, also. Claiming that he "might be" racist is nothing but blowing smoke.

It is your contention that Martin's colour played no part at all in Zimmerman's decision-making process? I highly doubt that.

Also note that your logic is already falling apart on you. If you assert that race and racism operate in a vacuum of absolute equality, and are so dismissive of the notion that it is more difficult for black people to be racist to whites, why is Zimmerman's ethnicity of interest here?

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes


Did you look at the photos? Take a close look, and then try telling me that looks like 5'11" to you. Go ahead.

It is a matter of record that he was 5'11". The police measured his dead body.What you think something 'looks like' is neither here nor there - you'll note that Tom Cruise doesn't look short in films. Guess he must be over 6ft too