The Zimmerman Trial

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

At least TWO witnesses are saying they watched the fight. They couldn't see the features of the combatants, but they could see the fight. None of them has said they saw any head bashing. The one woman while on the call with 911 was horrified that George shot the kid. WHY was she not relieved that he did it as his life was in danger?

They saw parts of a physical confrontation in which they couldn't identify anything. The witness from the 911 recording didn't see the confrontation, she heard it take place outside her residence. She said neither she nor her husband looked out the window during the incident, fearing they may get hurt. Her response regarding the shooting of Trayvon was from seeing the aftermath of what took place.

reply to post by DZAG Wright

The one woman while on the call with 911 was horrified that George shot the kid. WHY was she not relieved that he did it as his life was in danger?

Hey that may be a good question maybe you should try to contact the prosecution or the defense to see why they didn’t ask that.

Then again it may not be a good question and that is why it wasn’t asked.

From watching the testimony I haven’t seen anyone who had a clear enough view to be able to identify who was who I think they all agreed it was really dark and hard to see.

Personally I don’t think your question is very good but hey I am not an attorney.

reply to post by JBA2848


They are safety features sure, but not safeties. Either you were wrong or just being argumentative for the sake of it.

reply to post by Grimpachi


Yes, thank you. I don't know why people can't seem to grasp the importance of that? I didn't think the defense pounced on it like they should have.

She admitted in court that Trayvon ran, and then when she called him back 20 seconds later, he said he was either at/by/beside his house, but he had made it home. Then they talked for several minutes longer (so even if he wasn't completely there he DEFINITELY had time to go in the home if he was even remotely close, which he was), but he didn't go in. Why didn't he go inside? (Defense should have asked why she thought Martin didn't go in his home after he made it there) Why if he was scared did he hang around outside of his house waiting on Zimmerman? Why did he approach him and ask him a question? That tells us he waited on Zimmerman for some reason and then confronted him first.

It doesn't take a genius to understand he was waiting to fight whoever he thought was following him. She told the story today. Thi

reply to post by Grimpachi


Yes, thank you. I don't know why people can't seem to grasp the importance of that? I didn't think the defense pounced on it like they should have.

She admitted in court that Trayvon ran, and then when she called him back 20 seconds later, he said he was either at/by/beside his house, but he had made it home. Then they talked for several minutes longer (so even if he wasn't completely there he DEFINITELY had time to go in the home if he was even remotely close, which he was), but he didn't go in. Why didn't he go inside? (Defense should have asked why she thought Martin didn't go in his home after he made it there) Why if he was scared did he hang around outside of his house waiting on Zimmerman? Why did he approach him and ask him a question? That tells us he waited on Zimmerman for some reason and then confronted him first.

It doesn't take a genius to understand he was waiting to fight whoever he thought was following him. She told the story today. This case is over. The story has been told it just needs to be pressed.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


I have listened to every single witness. There has been no forensics expert. There was only a crime scene technician. We haven't heard from the medical examiner or any other forensic witness. So I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you talking about opening statements?? Cause those are not evidence. Those are attorney's talking, and they like to hear themselves talk. But is well know that opening statements are kinked and puffed up and do not constitute evidence. So, what are you talking about. Are you talking about blogs and message boards you read??? Because there has been no forensic testimony to date.

reply to post by DZAG Wright


No one WATCHED the fight. Some people saw a few glimpses, but it was dark and no one saw the whole thing. The truth came out today for anyone that was interested and paying attention. For those that are looking for Zimmerman to lose you won't hear it no matter what, but if you are interested in the truth, it's there and it's very simple.

Martin ran home, instead of going in he hung around outside waiting to see if the "creepy ass cracker" walked by. When he walked by he approached him and started a fight. During the fight Zimmerman took out a gun and shot Trayvon in self defense as he was being beaten badly. It makes the most sense and it matches what Zimmerman said, and what the star witness describes. Simple case.

reply to post by GrantedBail


Wasn't during the trial. It will come out later. It was in the news someone that examined his body or the report explained it. I never said it was in the trial. I just said that when that info comes out in trial it will be the case.

Even though in reality the case was closed today after the star witness' testimony. See my above post.

It is fact that Martin made it home and waited several minutes and then approached Zimmerman himself. You can't refute that. That is on the record in court as fact from the key witness of the prosecution. Why did he wait rather than going in? Because he intended to beat Zimmerman up. The story is out now, the rest is even easier, showing Zimmerman was taking the beating and underneath. The forensic evidence will show that was the case.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Then is complete bullpuckey. You represented that it was testimony. Wrong!!! You are misrepresenting evidence in this trial.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Here is exactly what you said:

They have a forensics guy talking about why the stipling was the way it was on the body of Martin. Guess what.. it will be 100 percent proven he was on top. He said the only way the gun powder burns and stipling could have shown up t he way they did would be if the clothes of Trayvon were hanging 4 or 5 inches from the skin. That would happen only if he was on top hanging over Zimmerman when he was shot.

The word Secure was used in regard to Trayvon immediately after the shooting. I don't have the ability to look through the days worth of testimony to find it. It was said though. It isn't really a big deal though. Every single ounce of evidence suggests Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman. It will be proven.

I'll talk to you some other time when you're weaned off all the loony theories.

So who is playing games????

reply to post by GrantedBail


I absolutely DID NOT say it was presented in trial.

I just said it will be the end of the case and it will be.
Read my post just above yours, I edited it for you so you can understand why you are wrong and Trayvon was guilty and Zimmerman was justified.

reply to post by GrantedBail


Well not me. The reason those are two separate paragraphs is because I was making the statement about what I was watching in one, and then telling you something about the case in the other.

I was speaking in real time, you knew the trial was done for the day. You are just trying to create a distraction from the fact that it was: 100 percent proven today that Trayvon waited for Zimmerman and confronted him and he had several minutes where he could have gone inside. It was PROVEN today that Trayvon sought Zimmerman out.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


During which testimony. There have been 4 days of testimony. I have watched it all. Every single minute of it.

Here is all of the testimony: Right here

Where was even ONE of your accusations proven?? Just one. Take your time.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Since murder 2 has gone out the window the state will try to make a case for manslaughter however to do that they will have to prove that TM was simply standing his ground in fear and I which has been practically destroyed.

If he was afraid why not go home or why not call the police or both he had access he had already eluded Zim but instead he went back or laid in wait. From their star witness testimony she had assumed he got in a fight and regardless of what was said TM initiated the altercation. We know approximately where Zim was because of the non-emergency 911 call and him describing his surroundings. I just do not see any way the state can win this without some kind of bombshell witness.

reply to post by GrantedBail


Today during Rachel's second day of testimony with the defense.
She said that Trayvon started to run and they were disconnected due to bad signal. Then 20 seconds later she called back and he said he was by/beside his house, but he didn't go in. They talked for several minutes and then he saw Zimmerman and according to her confronted him saying "why are you following me"

Since she is the only reason this is at trial and her story is the only thing against Zimmerman's it is all that matters and if it's the only witness on that side of what happened then you can either take it or Zimmerman's version. The thing is both versions match up until the point of what was said when Trayvon confronted him. The important thing though is that she has shown that Trayvon waited outside rather than go inside his house and that TRAYVON confronted Zimmerman. So that tells so much to the jury like Trayvon wasn't afraid, he wasn't hunted down by Zimmerman, Zimmerman didn't make first contact, and it brings the question of why didn't Trayvon go inside? What was his motive? To follow/hunt down Zimmerman and beat him up? Looks like it.

That was absolutely one hundred percent in today's testimony. So if you watched every minute of it then you heard her say Trayvon ran, 20 seconds they reconnected, he said he was by his house, they talked for a few minutes , and then he saw Zimmerman and allegedly said "why are you following me."

reply to post by Grimpachi


Exactly. The only person that can speak to what Trayvon was thinking and doing admitted today that they talked for several minutes after he got home (after running from Zimmerman). Then he confronted Zimmerman. That is as good as fact in the court room.

If he was in fear he would have gone inside instead of standing around waiting and talking to Rachel. She likely knows he was intending to fight the guy. He didn't go in because he was laying in wait and I wish the defense would have made her explain why he didn't go inside because then you start getting to the truth.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


There are other witnesses. How about the lady that talked about seeing them standing up with arms flailing. And there are two other witnesses that saw the standing up fight. Less than 15 seconds later she heard the shot and Trayvon was on the ground alone. It is all gonna tie in. They haven't testified yet. But it destroys Zimmerman's alibi. The timeline will line right up. Your boy is going down.

reply to post by GrantedBail


None of those witnesses saw much of anything and the physical evidence indicates he was on the ground firing up. That stuff still doesn't really matter that much compared to Rachel's testimony. The prosecution and media tried to make this a case of a man hunting down a scared kid. In reality that teenager had ample time to get home, and made it there, but didn't go in and instead waited and confronted Zimmerman. If that much of their story has been destroyed and now matches Zimmerman's story then the jury is thinking "what are the odds that's where it ends?" and likely thinking Martin waited and confronted Zimmerman with a beating (which you and everyone being honest has to admit is the most likely reason he waited, he obviously wasn't scared).

I am sorry, but I will refer you to this thread when the prosecutions case crumbles. They don't really have a case. It all hinges on Rachel not the witnesses you are trying to make more important than they are. First off the cops already talked to them, and second several of them have shown extreme bias and therefore aren't reliable. Too many were talking in the media sharing their opinion so the defense will destroy them (just like when he called out that one witness for liking a justice for trayvon page).

LOL you are going to get clowned and as I said.. I will send you an IM referring you to this post when it happens.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


We shall see, we shall see.

You are just like all those Casey Anthony hater groupies that knew everything about the trial from blogs and message boards. You sound just like them. When the jury was questioned that said there was no "there, there". And everyone was going off about how it was a slam dunk because their minds were so full of crap that had been spewed for years and not real evidence.

Bet ya I am right.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


You know you are right about this entire case hinging on her testimony. The cops didn’t arrest Zim until they talked to her. They had already talked to all of the neighbors.


Yeah I think this case is done.