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" It was used to label someone impious, godless.
You might want to do a little research into what you call yourself."
I really don't care what 'Christian' used to mean. Times change, as do languages.
I don't really care that you don't really care. It's the truth that cannot merely be shrugged off. You wear the shirt and not care where its been. To me it still smells.
I'm not Christian though. Do you employ racial slurs in your conversations? Do you inquire as to the current progress of Communist influence in the affairs of American politics? Do you curse the Japs for their audacity to give our naval forces a black eye? Do you frown in disgust at the sight of a woman engaged in manual labor? Do you berate the local teenagers for listening to anything other than gospel music?
Then why do you care what the term "Christian" used to mean? It obviously doesn't mean that now. What's in a name? Nothing but the intention and association behind that name. And if you're still clinging to obsolete definitions, then your confusion is suddenly painfully clear. I can't help you with that. Pick up a dictionary printed after the 1800's and have a read, I guess. Don't know what else to tell you.
I'm talking about the term "atheist". I said Christians used to be called atheists.
Originally posted by Dondylion
Originally posted by GeisterFahrer
Yes, that Hitler. So the point that he was a propagandist recruiter from a largely Lutheran population escaped you didn't it?
nice try though.edit on 4-6-2013 by GeisterFahrer because: (no reason given)
So let me get this straight. You're going to ignore the fact that Hitler himself said he was a Christian doing the work of God to make your point? If you aren't going to take this seriously, there's no point in continuing this discussion.
Originally posted by ProfessorChaos
Originally posted by SaturnFX
One more pic
edit on 3-6-2013 by SaturnFX because: added info
I take issue with your depiction of a militant atheist; a militant of ANY worldview believes in forcing others to comply with their own beliefs or unbeliefs, and while militant atheists may not be an extraordinary large segment of the Atheist subsection (the same can be said of other belief systems as well), they are certainly not as harmless or unobtrusive to others as your pic suggests.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by ProfessorChaos
Originally posted by SaturnFX
One more pic
edit on 3-6-2013 by SaturnFX because: added info
I take issue with your depiction of a militant atheist; a militant of ANY worldview believes in forcing others to comply with their own beliefs or unbeliefs, and while militant atheists may not be an extraordinary large segment of the Atheist subsection (the same can be said of other belief systems as well), they are certainly not as harmless or unobtrusive to others as your pic suggests.
Pray tell, what are some good examples of atheist terrorism.
not allowed to use dictatorships expanding power whom happened to be atheist...talking about day to day joes going all nuts about atheism to the point of causing others hardship and pain (like wbc) or suicide bombing.
I am sure there will be the odd nutjob. but give me fundy atheists over fundy any religion any day for safetys sake. I think I can deal with coffeeshop philosophy and brow beating
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee
The tattooed numbers on my great grandfathers wrist is why I defend autonomous freedoms. If someone is going to come for the Christians, they will have to get through me first. The same with the Muslims, Homosexuals, Atheists, or anyone else deemed undesirable.
And what does that have to do with atheism?
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Unibomber.
ELF
Jeff Dahmer
and the biggest genocidal dictators in the 20th century.
I think there is enough asshattery to go around.
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by SaturnFX
there is no deity in atheism, therefore it is not a religion regardless of how much you would like to twist the word.
atheism is a form of belief system attempting to provide answers to base philosophical questions, it also has a large following of devoted and organized members.
atheism has all the functional properties of a religion or cult. the meanings of words have changed so often over time that refusing to acknowledge atheism for what it is simply because it does not include a single principle from a whole spectrum of beliefs is silly.
i think it stems from wanting to retain the ability to bash "religions" from a high horse.
none of my post is meant to disrespect you or your beliefs in any way, and i would be happy to discuss them civilly.
i would ask atheists what they find objectionable in the 10 commandments. almost half of them deal with an entity atheists don't believe exists, and the other half are sensible moral rules.
it does not breach any rights. attempting, at first, to have it removed seems rather childish to me, and while i find including an atheistic monument to be
just and fair, the contents of that monument disturb me.
an equal monument might state what atheism has historically brought to the table in terms of laws that our nation respects, but the monument in question only seeks to bash another belief system.
perhaps they could take their own advice and use all the private money they've spent to establish a hospital or soup kitchen? nahh...it's a better use of that private money to point out how another group doesn't use it's private money "wisely" (wisely in quotes acknowledging that the definition is subjective).
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by ProfessorChaos
Originally posted by SaturnFX
One more pic
edit on 3-6-2013 by SaturnFX because: added info
I take issue with your depiction of a militant atheist; a militant of ANY worldview believes in forcing others to comply with their own beliefs or unbeliefs, and while militant atheists may not be an extraordinary large segment of the Atheist subsection (the same can be said of other belief systems as well), they are certainly not as harmless or unobtrusive to others as your pic suggests.
Pray tell, what are some good examples of atheist terrorism.
not allowed to use dictatorships expanding power whom happened to be atheist...talking about day to day joes going all nuts about atheism to the point of causing others hardship and pain (like wbc) or suicide bombing.
I am sure there will be the odd nutjob. but give me fundy atheists over fundy any religion any day for safetys sake. I think I can deal with coffeeshop philosophy and brow beating
Unibomber.
ELF
Jeff Dahmer
and the biggest genocidal dictators in the 20th century.
I think there is enough asshattery to go around.
Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee
Originally posted by ElohimJD
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by ElohimJD
I wonder if that was meant to be a subtle reminder that we cannot truly know the nature of such beings. Like we should not limit our understanding to physical representations of such entities or the ideals they represent.
100% correct AfterInfinity.
That is the spiritual purpose of that particular law.
Don't pretend to know what God has not given you to know, that is intellectual vanity and sin toward God's way of thinking.
God Bless,
Can we have one thread that doesn't turn into a "Jesus is Magic" thread, please?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by ElohimJD
Yes it is EXACTLY the same thing.
Logic = root word: Logos; thoughts which reveal how one thinks.
Logos = greek translation: Word; thoughts (spoken or written) which reveal how one thinks.
Oh, right, because words and their meanings don't change at all over hundreds of years. I mean, it would be ridiculous to think that perhaps words become compounded and their meanings consequentially warped as cultures fade into other cultures and the world begins to grow out of its old skin.
We should start calling umbrellas 'shadows', since their root comes from the Latin word umbra. And why not call tables slabs instead? Considering the root of the word, tabula.
Point being, languages evolve. Logos is only a shadow of what the word 'logic' now means today:
log·ic
noun \ˈlä-jik\
Definition of LOGIC
1a (1) : a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning (2) : a branch or variety of logic (3) : a branch of semiotics; especially : syntactics (4) : the formal principles of a branch of knowledge
So in other words, a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration is just as much an opinion as the phrase "Jesus Saves"?
Your man made physically observed "logic" using physical sciences is just as valid a logic as my spiritually observed "logic" using God's spirit to mold and fashion His charcter in a humble and contrite mind.
using God's spirit to mold and fashion His charcter in a humble and contrite mind
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by ElohimJD
100% correct AfterInfinity.
That is the spiritual purpose of that particular law.
Don't pretend to know what God has not given you to know, that is intellectual vanity and sin toward God's way of thinking.
I don't feel comfortable with the idea that, hypothetically speaking, he didn't give mankind a way of discerning the precise nature of the cosmic powers so as to develop an efficient means of interacting with said powers. The way people are going at it right now, it's interpretation-based trial and error sprinkled with self-fulfilling prophecy and flavored with a strong kick of willful ignorance.
Atheism is a far more reliable approach to this reality.edit on 4-6-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ElohimJD
Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee
Originally posted by ElohimJD
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by ElohimJD
I wonder if that was meant to be a subtle reminder that we cannot truly know the nature of such beings. Like we should not limit our understanding to physical representations of such entities or the ideals they represent.
100% correct AfterInfinity.
That is the spiritual purpose of that particular law.
Don't pretend to know what God has not given you to know, that is intellectual vanity and sin toward God's way of thinking.
God Bless,
Can we have one thread that doesn't turn into a "Jesus is Magic" thread, please?
How you interpret a post of mine is irrelevent. No one has said "Jesus is magic" except you... and Sara Silverman.
My posts are pertainent to the discussions in this thread as much as yours. You keep your posts physical as a physically thinking human, and I will continue to keep mine spiritual as a spiritually thinking human, or is my way of thinking not free to be expressed?
My post was about the 2nd commandment with is one of the 10. The 10 commandments are at the heart of this thread.
God Bless,