It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by smithjustinb
I agree. If you ignore all the man made war, laws, dogma, etc., Earth is perfect in every way. The only problem is humans and their greed.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by adjensen
Thank you for the honesty ad.
I personally cannot see myself living eternity knowing some of those I love will be suffering forever. I would see other parents/children playing/hanging out and it would always remind me of where my parent/child was, and I don't see how being reminded of where they are everyday could be considered eternal bliss. It would be painful knowing those things, yet there is no pain in heaven.
If god erases my memories of them, wouldn't these other people being with their loved ones seem kind of strange to me? Kind of like I'm somehow left out on that love in some way?
Just a few thoughts that are running through my head.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by vethumanbeing
I personally believe we are already in heaven. The universe is too complex, perfect, and beautiful for it not to be. I just brought this up in order to get some gears moving and discussion flowing.
If what we believe makes that thing real, then wouldn't that mean hell would not exist? If Christians believe they are going to heaven then they would go, if atheists don't believe in hell then it doesn't exist. So that would mean no one would go to hell, unless of course they wanted to, which I can't think of a reason for anyone wanting to suffer forever.I agree that we are god incarnate, so no argument from me on that point.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by vethumanbeing
I personally believe we are already in heaven. The universe is too complex, perfect, and beautiful for it not to be.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by jiggerj
What do you call the universe then?
The thing is, you reject Christianity's version of heaven yet can't move past its definition of it. Have you ever thought that maybe Christianity has lied about what it is? Why do you reject their version yet still support that their definition is the only acceptable one?edit on 26-5-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by smithjustinb
I wouldn't say that things on Earth are the way they should be, unless nature wants to destroy itself. We go against the flow of nature on this planet and it's because of free will. Free will is perfect, but it does have its drawbacks as well, and we are seeing them now.
I'd still rather have free will with all its drawbacks than no free will at all though.
What if what You call the universe is what I call heaven?
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Okay, I'm seeing a pattern with your posts. You come into threads and completely ignore the topic at hand and put forth your own dogma. You didn't address anything in the OP, you just went on your own little tirade that is completely off-topic. It happens in almost every thread you post in.
Change the record dude, because it sounds broken.
If heaven is perfect, then how do you account for people being sad or distraught about some of their loved ones suffering in a pit full of fire for eternity? How would god alleviate this problem in heaven? Would he just erase your memories of these people or would he let you keep them?
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by Lazarus Short
So you don't think a pit of eternal fire exists? If not, then how is knowing your loved ones don't exist anymore any better? You'd still be without them, and that loss would still be there.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by jiggerj
Here you go:
Definition of heaven
It took me all of two seconds. So who's being childish again?edit on 26-5-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
Here's another just in case that isn't "reputable" enough for you.
Merriam-Webster
I hate to have to do all the hard work for you. I know googling things is hard, right?edit on 26-5-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)[/edit]edit on 26-5-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
Well, ya got me! Good show. I googled 'universe'. Funny how heaven isn't mentioned under that word. I apologize and my statement is retracted if there's still time. extra DIV