The rise of the Fourth Reich - personal insights

Originally posted by MadMax7
Mate, you're only scared because your paranoid.

Just because he's paranoid doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get us!

Mate, you're only scared because your paranoid.

And what was that about your grandmother in a mental institution. My grandmother said "what runs in the parents, runs in the children...".

But it's just a thought ? Seemed obvious to me.

Just ignore anything this guy ever posts, hes trolled my thread in past and hes trying to troll yours.

reply to post by BobM88


Two things for the record:
1. I am not paranoid. I have no reason to be, no one is out to get me. However, I am very afraid of the attitudes and sense of superiority that seems to be proliferating at an exponential rate in the country I call home. It is very reminiscent of the sense of Nationalism that made Germany a force to be reckoned with.
2. I'm a SHE

reply to post by AthlonSavage


I try not to feed the trolls

reply to post by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh


I'm sorry, miss. I was attempting to be glib and light hearted, but not actually sarcastic. I agree with your OP, actually, and I'm sorry I came across poorly.

I agree great post!!!!! OP

I have been doing some studying myself on history and have read some of Hitlers early speeches and was amazed at how they sounded so much like western politics of today. In the transcripts I read the Nazi party did not appear to be solely against the Jewish people at all it read to me more like what I hear Americans saying now about "We don't have money to feed ourselves outsiders are not welcome". Germany had no gold to go by the gold standard so they had to reinvent their economy all around.

Also one statement in one of his speeches has always stuck out to me and that was where he stated that if Germany would give him the power he would fix the country and give the power back after three years. The current POTUS said the same thing but ran for a second term anyways.

I am not implying he is just like Hitler just pointing out the coincidences in their statements that surprised me.

Also to make myself clear I think Hitler was a horrible human being for the atrocities he took part in or led, the things I am referencing are all from the rise of the Nazi power not from when they had power. Some parties will promise all kinds of nice things to get power and once they have it they will do all kinds of horrible things to keep it.

Originally posted by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh
And you drew the conclusion that I am paranoid based on my mention of my grandmother in a mental institution?

Apparently you missed the part about me also mentioning that my grandmother participated in atrocities, and defended the mindset that led to them? Let's see...in modern terms she is in a mental hospital because she has PTSD and, by many standards would be considered a war criminal for acts that she may have participated in. She was studying to be a doctor in a Ausländerkinder-Pflegestätte facility.

Interesting thread but to ' throw the cat amongst the pigeons' I ask you this.

Why is your grandmother not in jail, why was she not tried for the atrocities she committed.

It is all very well that she has had a 'break down' but I am lacking in sympathy.

You should report her to the 'simon wiesenthal' at the very least.

I have no sympathy for people who were murderers / torturers and the like - war or no war. NO excuses.

You realize that the 3rd Reich is called the 3rd Reich because it considered itself to be the 3rd German Empire? Much the same way as the French number their Empires and Republics ("Le Second Empire", "La Troisième République", ...)

Speaking of a 4th Reich in the US is complete and utter nonsense.

Was hitler's whole trip just bugging out as a career paranoid meth psychotic episode? What motivates these n00bs to get all scary and bad ass, he either had a captain hook or a deformed sack, there must be more to the story.


Every time you don't eat clean food you commit to a slow form of suicide, so don't be so paranoid, you probably don't take care of yourself anyways lol jk. Btw agree with the OP 100%,

Look at the terrorist act they just passed up in Canada including biometric chips, now technology in clothing? And chips to swipe in every Visa? I also think they're crazy enough to exterminate people unless Hitler was there beta testing and opt for a silent soft kill nowadays but the control freaks in power are cowardly enough and intoxicated enough to do anything at this point; but there plan sucked and it fell apart.

Originally posted by MrSpad
No. To try and compare the modern US to Nazi Gemany is a waste of time. Picking and choosing a few things here and their that seem first glance to be similar does not erase the fact that millions of things are completely different.

Exactly, there is absolutely nothing at all similar in the US to Nazi Germany. Because Nazi Germany had one of the most unprecedented economic turnarounds in world history, and Hitler had overwhelming support from the people of Germany, which is quite unlike the economic mess of the US and extremely poor approval ratings of Congress and Obama.

Nazi Germany was a much better place, with much more personal freedom and protected rights of the people.

Originally posted by hakona
You realize that the 3rd Reich is called the 3rd Reich because it considered itself to be the 3rd German Empire? Much the same way as the French number their Empires and Republics ("Le Second Empire", "La Troisième République", ...)

Speaking of a 4th Reich in the US is complete and utter nonsense.

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if it walks and quacks like a duck, its more accurate to call it a duck than a gibbon. can you think of a term to more concisely portray the parallels and similarities?

reply to post by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh


SnF for bravery and insight

Now that we have the gift of insight, what do we do to prevent a similar past?

Originally posted by HelenConway

Originally posted by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh
And you drew the conclusion that I am paranoid based on my mention of my grandmother in a mental institution?

Apparently you missed the part about me also mentioning that my grandmother participated in atrocities, and defended the mindset that led to them? Let's see...in modern terms she is in a mental hospital because she has PTSD and, by many standards would be considered a war criminal for acts that she may have participated in. She was studying to be a doctor in a Ausländerkinder-Pflegestätte facility.

Interesting thread but to ' throw the cat amongst the pigeons' I ask you this.

Why is your grandmother not in jail, why was she not tried for the atrocities she committed.

It is all very well that she has had a 'break down' but I am lacking in sympathy.

You should report her to the 'simon wiesenthal' at the very least.

I have no sympathy for people who were murderers / torturers and the like - war or no war. NO excuses.

You have some very valid questions and the answer to it is pretty much "I don't know".

I am not sure that she did commit atrocities, I know she was witness to them at the very least, and can only assume that somehow she participated. Some of what she said alluded to either committing or witnessing them but nothing was ever clear. She has been so heavily medicated for so many years, and is now 90 years old, if she is still even alive, that I doubt anyone would be to get a straight answer out of her.

What little pieces that I have been able to put together were disconnected rantings. Simple statements made in between others. I have no solid proof.

Besides that, she has been in a "high security" mental facility for a very long time because she was deemed at some point, and for some reason a danger to herself or to others. As far as I am concerned that is punishment enough.

reply to post by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh


Well you and we should give her the benefit of the doubt - if you cannot for sure say she was involved ?
Was she a doctor in the concentration camp or just a young girl ? If she was a young adult in WW2 as my grandfather was that would make her nearly 100 now ..

Originally posted by hakona
You realize that the 3rd Reich is called the 3rd Reich because it considered itself to be the 3rd German Empire? Much the same way as the French number their Empires and Republics ("Le Second Empire", "La Troisième République", ...)

Speaking of a 4th Reich in the US is complete and utter nonsense.

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In that respect you are right.

The name may be different, but the attitudes are the same. There is a comparison to be drawn.

Originally posted by MrSpad
No. To try and compare the modern US to Nazi Gemany is a waste of time. Picking and choosing a few things here and their that seem first glance to be similar does not erase the fact that millions of things are completely different.

^^ This ^^ 1000x

We are so far off from interwar Germany it's not even funny.

Here's a nice snippet from this article. It gives a good description of the atmosphere in Germany at that time, focusing mostly on the Jewish persecution.

In the 1930s, Germany’s Jews – some 500,000 people – made up less than one percent (0.8%) of the German population. Most considered themselves loyal patriots, linked to the German way of life by language and culture. They excelled in science, literature, the arts, and economic enterprise. 24% of Germany’s Nobel Prize winners were Jewish. However, conversion, intermarriage, and declining birth rates, led some to believe that Jewish life was doomed to disappear from the German scene altogether.

The paradox was that Nazi ideology stemmed from Germany and the German people, among whom Jews eagerly wanted to acculturate. Indeed, there was a widespread belief amongst many Jews in the illusion that the role they played within industry and trade and their contributions to the German economy would prevent the Germans from completely excluding them.

Nazi anti-Jewish policy functioned on two primary levels: legal measures to expel the Jews from society and strip them of their rights and property while simultaneously engaging in campaigns of incitement, abuse, terror and violence of varying proportions. There was one goal: to make the Jews leave Germany.

On March 9, 1933, several weeks after Hitler assumed power, organized attacks on Jews broke out across Germany. Two weeks later, the Dachau concentration camp, situated near Munich, opened. Dachau became a place of internment for Communists, Socialists, German liberals and anyone considered an enemy of the Reich. It became the model for the network of concentration camps that would be established later by the Nazis. Within a few months, democracy was obliterated in Germany, and the country became a centralized, single-party police state.

Seriously, how does that description even compare remotely to anything that is happening today? That's just one example of the vast differences - there are many others. I suppose there's a variation on that quote - those who cannot remember the past are doomed to abuse it. Please, go read some history books.

reply to post by HelenConway


She was "studying to be a doctor". When the Ausländerkinder-Pflegestätte sites were formally established my grandmother would have been between 18 and 20 years old, and most likely she was either conscripted there, or my grandfather was as he was said to have been an officer.

The "concentration camp" term actually came from my mother, that is how she described the place that she was born. I think that it is a misuse of the term, as my research into these sites doesn't classify them as such. These sites were "state homes" for children, much like orphanages, but the children put there had been abducted by the state from their mothers. If they were deemed as having Aryan traits, they were sent to foster homes for Germanisation,

My mother came to the country when she was eight. There was no one to tutor her in the German language, and she lost her native language, so I have reason to believe that used this term because of the history that she learned combined with memories that she had.

Originally posted by MadMax7
Mate, you're only scared because your paranoid.

And what was that about your grandmother in a mental institution. My grandmother said "what runs in the parents, runs in the children...".

But it's just a thought ? Seemed obvious to me.

seriously just leave.

tip for the day : this is a conspiracy website !!!!

reply to post by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh


Thought provoking to an open mind.

Mate, you're only scared because your paranoid.

And what was that about your grandmother in a mental institution. My grandmother said "what runs in the parents, runs in the children...".

But it's just a thought ? Seemed obvious to me.

I apologize if this insensitive individual's comments effected you in a negative way.

The polar opposite of paranoia is inquisitive which is what your are being.

Here is a little game I like to play that I would like to share with you, there may be a feel good reward in the end.

Step 1. Place your right hand on our left shoulder.

Step 2. Place your left hand on your right shoulder.

Step 3. SQUEEZE.

reply to post by redtic


Reading history is not the same as understanding it....and the Holocaust was only part of that history.

People have a tendency to focus on the period when the Nazi party was in power, and not the events that occurred before they took power.

The Weimar Republic had some of the most serious economic problems ever experienced by any Western democracy in history. Rampant hyperinflation, massive unemployment, and a large drop in living standards were primary factors.

No, that doesn't sound familiar....

...which forced the Weimar government to finance its deficit by printing more currency

Nope...still not looking familiar at all...

Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric

Still not seeing it.....

Yeah, I'm just imagining it there are NO similarities to be drawn.

/sarcasm.

Scared? Nah, let them come. As long as there is a will, there is a way. Will is what drives us forward, what has helped us defeat gigantic armies in the past. The Will to live.
Samson killed a huge group of people using a donkey jawbone.
David killed a giant with a small stone, then later killed 2 more giants.
^Small examples of what belief is.
Now i know many atheists will bug me for believing so all i can say is this, study the bible and study some ancient history books, You'll see many if not all events written down in the bible are accurate and very real.
Fear is for the weak minded and lowly of heart/morality.