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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by SaturnFX
I don't consider his teachings very profound, so if I were religious - there better be miracles!
I think context is important.
Today its rather low on the bar, but back when he (supposedly)walked, in the area he was at, it was profound and a whole new way of thinking about how one interacted with another.
...so...don't stone people if you caught them cheating? wow...
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Right...so the Theology would then turn into a Philosophy..and Christ would go from God to Buddha.
No, probably not. If you take away the resurrection and other supernatural factors, Christ's story is not particularly engaging and would be seen as an effort to reform orthodox Judaism of his time. Anyone who still wanted to follow Christ, even in the face of the refutation of Christian theology, would have to convert to Judaism.
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by SaturnFX
I don't consider his teachings very profound, so if I were religious - there better be miracles!
I think context is important.
Today its rather low on the bar, but back when he (supposedly)walked, in the area he was at, it was profound and a whole new way of thinking about how one interacted with another.
...so...don't stone people if you caught them cheating? wow...
And if someone steals your coat, give them your shirt so they can be warm enough to steal your shoes in the night when you're asleep.
Don't worry about food. God will always provide for you, unless of course you live in a third world country where rebels are taking all the food and starving you to death.
Originally posted by JamesTheScribe
To most "followers" of Christian doctrine, everything pre-dating Christianity is Paganism, and therefore wrong. Everything post-dating Christianity is New Age, and therefore wrong.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Right...so the Theology would then turn into a Philosophy..and Christ would go from God to Buddha.
No, probably not. If you take away the resurrection and other supernatural factors, Christ's story is not particularly engaging and would be seen as an effort to reform orthodox Judaism of his time. Anyone who still wanted to follow Christ, even in the face of the refutation of Christian theology, would have to convert to Judaism.
It would also collapse Islam (considering they see him as a prophet/magical also).
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Right...so the Theology would then turn into a Philosophy..and Christ would go from God to Buddha.
No, probably not. If you take away the resurrection and other supernatural factors, Christ's story is not particularly engaging and would be seen as an effort to reform orthodox Judaism of his time. Anyone who still wanted to follow Christ, even in the face of the refutation of Christian theology, would have to convert to Judaism.
It would also collapse Islam (considering they see him as a prophet/magical also).
No, they don't believe in the supernatural nature of Christ, so if you disproved the resurrection, you'd be doing them a favour.
How many times has the Bible been re-worded, re-translated, & re-written?
Originally posted by JamesTheScribe
The Bible is actually two fundamentally opposing doctrines. The open literal and the hidden symbolic.
I am not a Christian...and neither was "Jesus"...and he would frown upon being worshipped. To worship Christ as a man or a God is completely contrary to what his "teachings" state.
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by SaturnFX
I don't consider his teachings very profound, so if I were religious - there better be miracles!
Originally posted by BlueMule
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Would you remain a Christian?
Yup.
"The Christian of the future will be a mystic or he will not exist at all" -Karl Rahner
For Christian mystics like me who know the living Christ, the simplistic exoteric theology of the orthodox uninitiated mainstream is for children anyway. Children need to grow up already and get on solid food.
edit on 2-4-2013 by BlueMule because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SaturnFX
No, they don't believe in the supernatural nature of Christ, so if you disproved the resurrection, you'd be doing them a favour.
Incorrect
Source
They believed in his miracle birth, and that he did many other magical and miraculous things..they simply don't believe in the resurrection, but the question is also about the magic.
And that is the point overall.
The whole thing...what is the thing? is the thing the message or the man.
Originally posted by JamesTheScribe
It's all about fear and control.
Originally posted by BlueMule
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Would you remain a Christian?
Yup.
"The Christian of the future will be a mystic or he will not exist at all" -Karl Rahner
For Christian mystics like me who know the living Christ, the simplistic exoteric theology of the orthodox uninitiated mainstream is for children anyway. Children need to grow up already and get on solid food.
edit on 2-4-2013 by BlueMule because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by LittleByLittle
I agree but do I need to label myself a "Christian" to be?
Are you not my soul brother even if I do not label myself?
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by adjensen
Why would anyone? Christ's death and resurrection is kinda the core of the whole thing.
And that is the point overall.
The whole thing...what is the thing? is the thing the message or the man.
Neither, that's the theology.
You're essentially asking if anyone would follow a religion whose theology had been shown to be completely inaccurate. It has nothing to do with Christ or his message, really.
As for God providing everything for Christians, where is that written in the bible.
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.)
Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst
Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours.
If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you.
It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you
On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete.