President Obama to Use Children to Push His Plan on Gun Control

Originally posted by hapablab

Originally posted by reeferman
reply to post by Tw0Sides

 

what??

we have gun control.

people register their firearms.

wtf.

what criminal has a registered firearm?

NONE!

you should be more pissed off at operation fast & furious.

absolutely no one is talking about fast and furious..smh

The news media aren't talking about it, anyway.

I guess they weren't told to talk about it.....

I'm wondering if he'll read a few of the letters to really hit it home,

This guy needs to be stopped, hope these impeachment filings get the attention they deserve

The use of children by leaders of nations has a long history. Perhaps one of the worst uses of them in the last century took place in Nazi Germany. In addition, those who teach the children, the educators were also indoctrinated into Hitler's beliefs and hatreds. This thread brought to mind a article I came upon quite a while ago, called the Nizkor Project.
www.nizkor.org...

In order to forge a two pronged attack against the "terrorists" (according to Hitler), both children and their teachers had to be enlisted in his nefarious plans. Consider the following facts:

South Pacific made its debut in April of 1949, almost four years after World War II ended. In a moving scene where prejudice shatters the possibility of happiness, Lt. Cable and De Becque reflect upon the nature of prejudice and reach the conclusion that intolerance is something that must be carefully taught. That the Nazis subscribed to this belief is evident from the manner in which the Jewish problem was incorporated into the instruction of the young. Anti-semitism was the overwhelming topic in every school curriculum. Indeed, the propaganda picture books published by Der Stürmer, the organ responsible for the dissemination of many of the anti-semitic publications during the Hitler years, demonstrate that anti-semitism was taught before children "were six or seven or eight."
No single target of nazification took higher priority than Germany's young. By 1937, 97% of all teachers belonged to the National Socialist Teachers' Union.

The comparisons to today's American environment cannot fail to be seen. Now, I am NOT calling union teachers Nazis, by any means. However, the tactics used by those unions certainly rival what was going on in Nazi Germany. In many schools, today, facts, and naked science have been replaced by a political thought that leans far to the left of most Americans. The process has slowly moved left, much as the fabled frog in water slowly brought to a boil, supposed fails to respond.
Although today, the target is not Jews, it is a group of people, or rather a mindset, that is under attack in many, if not most of our public schools. That group consists of people that support issues opposed by those unions. I need not, and will not, enumerate them here, because most people understand what those issues are.
No party is free from this, and in fact, most politicians use the familiar "props", namely children, the poor, those on welfare, etc. This occurs on both sides of the aisle. That of course does not make it right, but it has become so engrained in our current culture, that most of it is accepted, without thought of what really is going on. Much like the "diet ads", which show the "ugly" (those overweight) versus the "beautiful" (slim and attractive), the subliminal attacks on the subconscious is very effective.
In any such presentation, in order to ascertain what the true implications of proposals presented in such manner, discerning citizens need to look past the "props" and listen to the message, because frequently the message does not align with the needs of the "props", but rather the needs of the presenter.

involving kids in any kind of politics is sick

its dangerous, dirty and people die. no environment for a child


when Brevik took a trip to that little island armed to the teeth, the first thing i said to myself was... what kind of parent sends their child to a political camp?

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by seeker1963

 

Originally posted by seeker1963
Perhaps you don't! But I can damn sure tell you and everyone else on ATS that you support Obama with an insane passion!

I support Obama. There's no insanity or passion about it. He's done some great things and royally screwed up some others. He's a far better choice than any of the alternatives we've had.

Am I fibbing here???

Pretty much.

BTW, it's physically impossible for me to get my "nuts crushed".

edit on 1/15/2013 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)

Apparently Obama only cares for American children though, not those ones he kills in drone strikes. I disagree with you though, Obama is a horrible president, and a terrible liar. He's worse than Bush was. I don't see what "great" things this man has done. I don't fly because I endured a traumatic rape, and I do not want strangers touching my body. Under Obama's presidency, women like me must endure the emotional humiliation of being touched by a stranger. He has baby stepped his way into our civil rights, and now he's baby stepping us into losing more. I do not trust him. I never will. And any leader who would use innocent children to promote an agenda is akin to Hitler as far as I am concerned.

Originally posted by EternalWatcher
Doesn't terrorist hide themselves among children so no one will shot at them? Just sayin......

Yes. Some of them in Pakistan hide among innocent families, but Obama doesn't have a problem bombing those innocent children and killing entire innocent families in order to try and get ONE terrorist. he's such a great man

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
These children contacted the president on the issue of gun violence. Why should he ignore them? He's treating them with respect. He's getting their input. He's involving the kids who are at risk and have a vested interest in his policies.

Call it what you want, but I think it's pretty damn cool.

Yeah, sure they did.
I still have the bridge in Brooklyn for sale.


It is a pandering photo op. Nothing more, nothing less.

The Tyrant 0bama is nothing more then a faker. A person that enjoys playing pretend on camera.

No wonder why Hollywood types seem to adore him, they basically work the same angle.

reply to post by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
I don't fly because I endured a traumatic rape, and I do not want strangers touching my body.

Same here. My choice. Blame whomever you want, but you make your choices about your life and what you will and will not do. I don't fly either, but I'm not a victim about it. I am a survivor.

Under Obama's presidency, women like me must endure the emotional humiliation of being touched by a stranger.

I am a "woman like you" and I am not "forced" to endure it... That's a victim stance and I refuse to take it. It's your choice to fly or not.

Yeah, Obama is just like Hitler... Blah, blah, blah...

Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by The Old American
This is nothing but yet another emotionally-charged fluff piece to get the bleating masses on his side without presenting a shred of evidence that gun-control works.

/TOA

But there is Plenty of Evidence to Prove having No Gun Control isnt working either.

So lets start from there.

There is also plenty of evidence that gun-control doesn't work. Like the FBI's own files on it.

We've already "started from there" and "there" didn't work.

/TOA

Wasn't the Taliban fond of surrounding themselves with children to deter bombings and assassination attempts?

When you're about to stomp a boot down onto the throats of tens of millions of people it helps to have a moat of children around.

reply to post by Merlin Lawndart

Maybe use some eyedrops next time to actually make it look like you are really crying, but they figured people are stupid and will believe he wiped away real tears. Laughable.

And they are stupid Merlin....many of them really are....

Originally posted by hapablab

Originally posted by reeferman
reply to post by Tw0Sides

 

what??

we have gun control.

people register their firearms.

wtf.

what criminal has a registered firearm?

NONE!

you should be more pissed off at operation fast & furious.

absolutely no one is talking about fast and furious..smh

And this is a problem. The government that wants to ban our guns gives them to the most ruthless drug cartels in the whole of civilized society.

/TOL

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Wasn't the Taliban fond of surrounding themselves with children to deter bombings and assassination attempts?

When you're about to stomp a boot down onto the throats of tens of millions of people it helps to have a moat of children around.

Remember the videos of Saddam Hussein in a room with about 8-10 Americans back during Desert Storm? It's a lot like that.

But with children.

/TOA

reply to post by Agarta

Here's the problem, They will be surrounded by children. I feel this is an attempt to exploit these children and create sympathy within the masses in order to push their agenda.

Ya think?

What a ridiculous OP

A group of these innocents was just slaughtered right in front of our eyes - what did you think was going to happen?

Agenda? Get real - you're using these same children to further your agenda - so don't act so innocent

Deal with it

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Thunder heart woman

 

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
I don't fly because I endured a traumatic rape, and I do not want strangers touching my body.

Same here. My choice. Blame whomever you want, but you make your choices about your life and what you will and will not do. I don't fly either, but I'm not a victim about it. I am a survivor.

Under Obama's presidency, women like me must endure the emotional humiliation of being touched by a stranger.

I am a "woman like you" and I am not "forced" to endure it... That's a victim stance and I refuse to take it. It's your choice to fly or not.

Yeah, Obama is just like Hitler... Blah, blah, blah...

First, I never referred to myself as a victim in my post. I don't feel that I am a victim, but I still refuse to fly because I do not want to endure the humiliation or further triggering that may occur due to a stranger touching my body. I *should* have a right to fly in my country without having to avoid this, but I do so in order to protect myself. The point is, NO ONE should have to submit themselves to this in order to board a plane. I am not a terrorist, I'm an American citizen who has broken no laws. I'm not going to just respond by "not flying", I will keep speaking out against it and do whatever I can to change it so that I can fly again without humiliating pat downs.

And yes, it is very sick minded to use children to further one's agenda.

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by Agarta

 

Here's the problem, They will be surrounded by children. I feel this is an attempt to exploit these children and create sympathy within the masses in order to push their agenda.

Ya think?

What a ridiculous OP

A group of these innocents was just slaughtered right in front of our eyes - what did you think was going to happen?

Agenda? Get real - you're using these same children to further your agenda - so don't act so innocent

Deal with it

edit on 1/16/2013 by Spiramirabilis because: (no reason given)

Wrong. I've done nothing since Sandy Hook but listen to politician, after politician, celebrity after idiot celebrity and talk show host talk about the children and getting rid of guns. THEY are using the children. THEY are standing on the graves of those children. Responsible gun owners, who are registered and obeying the laws are simply wanting to retain our 2nd amendment rights, and not be punished for what some nut job does with his gun. I DO NOT need innocent children to hide behind my rights as an American citizen, nor do I need to use them in order to further my "agenda". I have no "agenda", I just want to retain my constitutional rights, and that has nothing at all to do with any child alive or dead.

reply to post by Spiramirabilis

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
A group of these innocents was just slaughtered right in front of our eyes - what did you think was going to happen?

Agenda? Get real - you're using these same children to further your agenda - so don't act so innocent

Bravo! Really great point! This thread uses children to further the "Hate Obama" agenda!

If a bunch of nurses were brutally murdered and other nurses contacted the White House to express their concerns and Obama invited them to be involved in the process and to hear his views, it would be seen as a Good Thing and there would be no bitching about, "he's using these innocent nurses to further his agenda"!


These kids have a vested interest in what Obama does about this.

Full disclosure: I am a proponent of the second amendment and do NOT support any legislation that would limit citizens' rights to legally own guns. It would be nothing more than a show and would do NOTHING to help the matter. Gun ownership is NOT the problem. Mental health and a culture of "violence worship" and closed-mindedness are at the root of our issues on this matter. Making more laws will do SQUAT to help. But it's what the people want, apparently.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

Obama/Bush are/were still hypocrites, in that they don't mind blowing up families(read children) in Pakistan and Afghanistan to kill what may or may not be terrorists (including American citizens).

Originally posted by kosmicjack

President Obama to Use Children to Push His Plan on Gun Control

The above is so entirely specious, it's laughable.

Hey, everybody! The NRA is using children to push their plan! They assert that making schools Gun-Free Zones is irresponsible and dangerous. They want a gun in every class room.

See how that works? Anything anyone does can be spun to the negative to suit another agenda.

edit on 1/15/2013 by kosmicjack because: (no reason given)

Really? Please point out where the NRA paraded out a bunch of kids for a photop? Almost every one of these mass shootings in the last 20 years has happened in a "gun free zone" so pointing out the failure of that law is a pretty reasonable action giventhe fact that they have not ever worked.