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Jesus' life in the bible sounds like a narration of a story. The unknown writers of the gospels have simply pieced together what they believed happened and compiled a sequence of events... several years AFTER Jesus' "death". So the odds of mistakes and fabrications appearing in the final account are enormous.
The people putting together the final canon of the bible didn't even proof-read it to check for contradictions. Which is why Judas dies in 2 different ways.... the "resurrection" scenes are all varying....and one gospel has an account of zombies while not being mentioned in the other gospels.
Originally posted by buster2010
I hate to break it to you but the bible is hardly an accurate account of Jesus.
Not to mention the people who somehow got it into their heads that Jesus is God because Jesus never said pray to me before you pray to God.
More proof that you haven't read the parts of the Bible that are pertinent to these topics or know anything about the disciples who walked with Jesus.
Yet they were still canonized because the "contradictions" weren't pertinent to the story being told. The basis of the stories were all the same.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by FlyersFan
Jesus own words are in the bible only. They were recorded there by his followers themselves.
This is debatable.
... and yet the account is written from a third person perspective. ... Jesus' life in the bible sounds like a narration of a story.
The unknown writers of the gospels have simply pieced together what they believed happened and compiled a sequence of events... several years AFTER Jesus' "death". So the odds of mistakes and fabrications appearing in the final account are enormous
Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
That is wrong. Both Allah and God are the same deity and both the Jesus in Islam and the Jesus in Christianity are the same person. Both religions are a continuation of a much older religion.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
If you are talking about Jesus' human sacrifice... God never demanded it.
Jesus "death" was a roman style execution... not a "sin sacrifice".
Details matter.
If people were unsure about what happened with Judas, the tomb, the zombies... etc. then there's a good chance that they missed out on a lot of other details. Doesn't look like the bibles account is a very reliable book.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by FlyersFan
I think I'll take the stories that are around in the Quran now .. add to them .. subtract from them .. and even add a bunch of new stories that I think may have happened. What the heck ... why not? It'll get people's attention and they'll want more. So I'll make up even more stories. And I think I'm going to have these stories make Muhammad look very different from what the Quran says. A whole different guy.
This is pretty much exactly how the New Testament was written. Jesus was made into a whole different guy.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
If you are talking about Jesus' human sacrifice... God never demanded it.
Jesus "death" was a roman style execution... not a "sin sacrifice".
52:13 Behold, my servant shall prosper, he shall be exalted and lifted up, and shall be very high. 52:14 As many were astonished at him his appearance was so marred, beyond human semblance, and his form beyond that of the sons of men 52:15 so shall he sprinkle many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him;
for that which has not been told them they shall see, and that which they have not heard they shall understand.
53:1 Who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? 53:2 For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or comeliness that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. 53:3 He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 53:4 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted. 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that made us whole, and with his stripes we are healed. 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is dumb, so he opened not his mouth. 53:8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of my people? 53:9 And they made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth. 53:10 Yet it was the will of the LORD to bruise him; he has put him to grief; when he makes himself an offering for sin, he shall see his offspring, he shall prolong his days; the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand; 53:11 he shall see the fruit of the travail of his soul and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,
make many to be accounted righteous; and he shall bear their iniquities. 53:12 Therefore I will divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he poured out his soul to death,
and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Details matter.
Doesn't look like the bibles account is a very reliable book.
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
Luke 22:70 is the most telling. It is clear in the Bible Jesus is God Himself.
17:22 The glory 61 you gave to me I have given to them, that they may be one just as we are one
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by mideast
Mideast, you are way too defensive and paranoid.
I know you don't like me or anyone else that has an argument different from yours, but I'm in no way trying to start a political argument, although I know you would like that.
Peace.