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Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
Well it is nice of you to post that, but no Christian will care much about words attributed to Jesus in Islamic tradition. Yahweh and Allah are not the same being. In order to accept the Jesus of Islam one must deny the Jesus of the Bible. The two are mutually exclusive.
Originally posted by boncho
Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
Well it is nice of you to post that, but no Christian will care much about words attributed to Jesus in Islamic tradition. Yahweh and Allah are not the same being. In order to accept the Jesus of Islam one must deny the Jesus of the Bible. The two are mutually exclusive.
And so continues, the days of our lives. Victor fans will never forgive Melissa for leaving him at the altar. The two are not mutually exclusive.
This is why man made tales of god seem entirely empty to me. There are people support Melissa, and some that support Victor. But it seems lost on them that they are watching a soap opera.
Well it is nice of you to post that, but no Christian will care much about words attributed to Jesus in Islamic tradition. Yahweh and Allah are not the same being. In order to accept the Jesus of Islam one must deny the Jesus of the Bible. The two are mutually exclusive.
The Biblical Jesus is the Son of God, not a mere prophet but God Himself. Islamic Jesus is merely a prophet.
Many ATSers, dismiss the Bible accounts of Jesus' life by pointing out that they were written in final form decades after His death. How will you deal with accounts written centuries after His death?
I think the Islamic accounts of Jesus' life will have a tough sell here. Christian accounts, while not popular here either, seem to have a stronger claim at first glance.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
The Biblical Jesus is the Son of God, not a mere prophet but God Himself. Islamic Jesus is merely a prophet.
Christians have only misinterpreted their Bibles to conclude that Jesus is God Himself.
In Islam, Jesus is more than just a prophet, he is the messiah.
Islam also teaches that Jesus was born of a virgin and will return in the end times to defeat the anti-Christ.
Either way, I did not intend for this thread to turn into an Islam vs Christianity debate, (which I can see its slowly turning into), but rather to just go over Jesus' wisdom as held in Islamic tradition and see if we can learn something from it.
Originally posted by mideast
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
Well it is nice of you to post that, but no Christian will care much about words attributed to Jesus in Islamic tradition. Yahweh and Allah are not the same being. In order to accept the Jesus of Islam one must deny the Jesus of the Bible. The two are mutually exclusive.
Although your words just bring division , this man (the OP) has tried to show that the Jesus in Qur'an and the Jesus Christ , the messenger of Christian believers are the same people.
I hope you know the history of Bible and how and who gathered it.
And many Christian people know that Bible is not 100 % what Jesus said and how he said.
+ You don't have to speak for all Christian people while you ignore these facts easily.
peace.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
The Biblical Jesus is the Son of God, not a mere prophet but God Himself. Islamic Jesus is merely a prophet.
Christians have only misinterpreted their Bibles to conclude that Jesus is God Himself.
In Islam, Jesus is more than just a prophet, he is the messiah.
Islam also teaches that Jesus was born of a virgin and will return in the end times to defeat the anti-Christ.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by charles1952
Many ATSers, dismiss the Bible accounts of Jesus' life by pointing out that they were written in final form decades after His death. How will you deal with accounts written centuries after His death?
The final form of the account was based off existing records of Jesus' life... either as oral traditions or a written record. Jesus spoke to crowds and had his disciples, thereby meaning there would have been plenty of witnesses to what he said and did.
Unless there was a deliberate attempt on the part of people to distort the history of Jesus, his life and his words... there's a good chance that a lot of what he actually said and did made it to the final form.
I think the Islamic accounts of Jesus' life will have a tough sell here. Christian accounts, while not popular here either, seem to have a stronger claim at first glance.
Thats because people believe only the Bible is a source on Jesus. People either forget or deny that Jesus has a presence in Islam as well.
Either way, I did not intend for this thread to turn into an Islam vs Christianity debate, (which I can see its slowly turning into), but rather to just go over Jesus' wisdom as held in Islamic tradition and see if we can learn something from it.
So since one account is a lie, why would the Christian believe there is wisdom in an account which is newer, and conflicts with the account that is older?
Does it teach Jesus died for the sins of all men?
The difference is that in your scenario there is one story, and two different characters. Here we have 1 character and two stories. Terrible analogy.
The Biblical Jesus is the Son of God, not a mere prophet but God Himself. Islamic Jesus is merely a prophet. The two are mutually exclusive whether you want them to be or not is irrelevant, whether you think both are stupid is irrelevant, it is impossible for them to be the same, they can not both be accurate depictions.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
Does it teach Jesus died for the sins of all men?
Actually, Jesus himself did not say many of the things that Christians believe today.
Jesus did not teach anything about the trinity, him being God and him dying for the sins of mankind etc. Just because Christians extract a certain meaning out of the bible, doesn't mean Jesus said those words.
Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
The difference is that in your scenario there is one story, and two different characters. Here we have 1 character and two stories. Terrible analogy.
The Biblical Jesus is the Son of God, not a mere prophet but God Himself. Islamic Jesus is merely a prophet. The two are mutually exclusive whether you want them to be or not is irrelevant, whether you think both are stupid is irrelevant, it is impossible for them to be the same, they can not both be accurate depictions.
Ah but this is where you are wrong. Melissa is biblical Jesus and Victor is Islamic Jesus. If you don't believe me I suggest dedicating your life to watching days of our lives. It will become apparent after many years of viewership.