Koch Brothers threatening layoffs if Obama Re-Elected

I see nothing in the article that states the Koch are going to lay anyone off. I didn't think the Koch brothers were dumb enough to allow that kind of definitive phrase to be put in writing anywhere within their organization.

Originally posted by Oaktree
For anyone interested in the whole story:
This mailing was sent to Georgia-Pacific employees.

Koch Industries owns this company, and the union that represents this companies employees is the USW.

That's right, as a matter of fact, the vast majority of Koch Industries 56,000 employees in the U.S. are union members.

Too be fair, here is a link to the United Steel Workers Union website.
USW.org

A quick glance at the website might explain why a company would feel both sides of an argument need be heard.

That's ok most of the rest of them are chinese workers, they'll go hire 56,000 chinese workers, which they were gonna do anyway...pretty much just an excuse for when it happens (This is what I see they know Obama's going to win) And if he doesn't and they still fire them and hire the chinese workers, well, they'll have to come up with an excuse but they already probably have one squirrelled away I bet.

reply to post by Koros


So... your opinion is that all politicians and corrupt business men have the same goal; to obtain power. Fine. You're entitled to that opinion but I think you're wrong... some politicians are actually public servants.

I also see nobody else getting warnings/T&C stuff for oversized quotes, funny that.

Originally posted by Koros

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
Then I must be dreaming.... Or maybe you're confused about the difference between power and influence. Pretty sure I'm not dreaming so....

Your statement would be more accurate if you changed a few words.... "The only difference between the power bought by the Koch brothers and the power legally obtained by Obama is the means they choose to utilize to get said power."

So, show me the crimes committed by the Koch brothers. You say that Obama legally obtained his power, thus setting up that the inverse is true of the Koch brothers. So, show me.

They committed multiple crimes...one of them was circumventing Iran sanctions and trading with "the enemy". They also polluted on a massive scale ON PURPOSE because the fines were lower than the cost of not polluting at all. And yes, they were convicted in both cases.

I have one thing to say...we survived without these people (Corporations) for many many years before and we can survive without them now... I really don't care if I have any gadgets anymore. In fact I'd be perfectly Enchanted with the idea that NOBODY could communicate with me or get to see me or whatever. I'd be enthralled!

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
reply to post by Koros

 

So... your opinion is that all politicians and corrupt business men have the same goal; to obtain power. Fine. You're entitled to that opinion but I think you're wrong... some politicians are actually public servants.

I think that there are some politicians, yes, who are public servants and who actually want to better their society. But, I think those people are both few and far between and tend to be concentrated at the local level, where the most impact can be made.

Perhaps I misspoke when I said "all politicians." I should, rather, say "most politicians."

I hope this isn't too far off topic, but I met David Koch once in the late '90s. Sort of. Here's what happened.

My job was to laminate decorative films onto the gypsum wall boards you see in mobile homes. Our biggest supplier at the time was Georgia Pacific. Well, we received a bunch of boards from GP that were completely unusable. I mean a lot of them. Apparently we were a big enough customer that Mr. Koch felt it was in his best interests to personally come and smooth things over with us.

We pulled out a bundle of that GP crap and attempted to laminate it while he watched so he could see exactly what the problem was. You didn't need calipers to see all the dips and valleys in those boards. Someone had clearly decided to try to fill the dimensions of the boards with less material. No matter how I adjusted the pinch rollers (or any other parameter) or how much my crew tried to rub the bubbles out, it was clear as day this product could never be used.

Know what Mr. Koch said? "That's the Cadillac of wall boards. That's the Cadillac of boards right there." Over and over. It was freaking surreal. Remember, this was the 90's. We were used to "plausible deniability", not the blatant in-your-face fact-free landscape we've gotten acclimated to since. A lot of uncomfortable looks were exchanged.

That was a good day for Georgia Pacific's competitors. I would never have dreamed it was harbinger of things to come.

Originally posted by IrVulture
A new phase to the corporate takeover of America....

Koch Industries, other CEOs warn employees of layoffs if Obama is reelected

Of course, that is the TROUBLE with BIG and I mean really BIG companies and individual billionaire and trillion-airs .They have all the power and money. They are so powerful that the song "U Can't Touch This" they totally own lock, stock and barrel (oil barrel

Democrats can't touch them if Republicans had their way!

MC Hammer
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Threats are not needed.

We will kindly have to fire you, because of onerous regulations.

Of course, when we make profits and get the "crony capitalism" we paid for with Romney, we won't be sharing any profits with you anyway.

>> You're more likely to get a better job in this country with the Koch brothers gone than with them doling out their largess to the poor saps who want to work for them. They've already been union busting in Walker's state and his entire budget "shortfall" was due to tax breaks given to companies already in the state. Then paid for by laying off and lowering wages for government workers.

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by Koros

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
Then I must be dreaming.... Or maybe you're confused about the difference between power and influence. Pretty sure I'm not dreaming so....

Your statement would be more accurate if you changed a few words.... "The only difference between the power bought by the Koch brothers and the power legally obtained by Obama is the means they choose to utilize to get said power."

So, show me the crimes committed by the Koch brothers. You say that Obama legally obtained his power, thus setting up that the inverse is true of the Koch brothers. So, show me.

They committed multiple crimes...one of them was circumventing Iran sanctions and trading with "the enemy". They also polluted on a massive scale ON PURPOSE because the fines were lower than the cost of not polluting at all. And yes, they were convicted in both cases.

One of the four Koch brothers was caught red-handed ripping off oil from Indian lands. He ended up buying McCain's support and got a new Prosecutor appointed who had been on their payroll in the past.

If I cared to, I could probably find a LOT these carpet baggers have been up to. The most entitled people on the planet.

The only ones that should be threatened are the polling companies and the debate commission, who BOTH CONSPIRE to keep america ENSLAVED in this perpetual duopoly of monumental corruption. That is all I have to say.

If you think voting for a democrat is panachea then obviously you are politically illiterate. I won't even touch the republicans of the last 3 decades; one disaster after another.

And I am not sure of the koch brothers; I always thought they were part of the libertarian movement!

Originally posted by Hawking
I wasn't going to vote but I'm so sick of hearing republican CEOs saying "if Obama wins I'm firing everyone" that I will vote for him now

That's the absolute most un-intelligent reason for voting for Obummer that I have ever heard.

Originally posted by AuranVector

Originally posted by IrVulture
A new phase to the corporate takeover of America....

Koch Industries, other CEOs warn employees of layoffs if Obama is reelected

Newsflash: the US is already a Fascist country. Fascist = Corporate Socialist.

The mega corporations already control the US.

Obama wants to drive the US further Left using the West European model;
and to make the US subordinate to the UN.

Obama is a NWO/ One World Federation/ Communitarian* shill.

The Koch Brothers are Libertarians who love the US and want to maintain US hegemony.

Libertarian = fiscally Conservative minimal government + social Liberalism.

The US is surrounded by enemies who would love to destroy us and plunder our assets.

When the US collapses as a world power, who will replace the US?

Red China? A new Ayatollah? Who will your children & grandchildren be slaves to?

*Communitarianism is the name of the "new" politics of the New World Order given by Bilderbergers.

The Koch brothers are Zionists.

Originally posted by AuranVector

Originally posted by Red Cloak
The Koch brothers are criminals. They are also Zionist Bolsheviks that want to install a Zionist order in the USA. They are the exact definition of the slime of humanity.

LOL You mean you don't know that a Zionist order was installed in the USA DECADES ago?

What I know is that the Koch brothers are Zionists. They are not "libertarians that love America". I also know that they pay people to spread misinfo and disinfo on websites like this.

These greedy capitalist bastards are threatening their workers with employment if they don't vote how they want. This just gives me even more reason to vote for Obama. Thank you Koch Brothers in helping me decide on who to vote for, I was leaning to vote for Obama anyway, but now I'm 100% certain.

Originally posted by Vitruvius
I met David Koch once in the late '90s. Sort of.

Sounds to me like you didn't"sort of" meet him, sounds like you really met him. You can tall a lot about a person by the way they conduct their business, and he sounds like he's walking around with tunnel vision. I can guarantee you that behavior like that isn't turned off when he gets home.

That was a good day for Georgia Pacific's competitors.

There you go, look at the sunny side. Is GP a tax write off yet? Something worth looking into. Speaking of which, here's something I found a few years back when I was researching Superfund sites:

A Superfund site is an abandoned site with significant amounts of toxic waste. The EPA and companies responsible for the waste take remediation efforts to reduce hazardous content. The Kalamazoo River Superfund site is contaminated by PCBs (polychlorinated biphenyls) due to a variety of paper mills waste and other waste disposal into the river. PCBs can have harmful effects on the river wildlife and humans

The Potentially Responsible Party is an individual, corporation, or group that can be held financially responsible for the cleanup of the Superfund site. Any group that is in any way responsible can be charged some or all of the cost. Even if the hazardous substance was there before the current company arrived they can still be held responsible.[7] H. Millennium Holdings, Plainwell Inc., and Georgia-Pacific Corporation are the past and present owners of paper facilities that contributed to the PCB contamination.

In 1990, the Allied Paper, Inc./Portage Creek/Kalamazoo River was declared a Superfund site by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

Cleanup for Kalamazoo River Superfund site starts upstream and works downstream. The continuing PCB sources are first removed so that PCB levels will not further increase and spread into Lake Michigan.

This removal began in June 1998 and lasted until May 1999.

Time Critical Removal Action was declared in spring 2007 at the Plainwell site. Currently the area of the Kalamazoo River between Plainwell and Otsego is currently unavailable to the public while remediation takes place.

Source

Look at the timeline. This is a VERY time consuming process. Remember my predicament?

I know what I'm doing.

So not only are the Koch's trying to blackmail the very people who helped make them successful, but they also helped make the land in the same area of the country that was hardest hit by the recession, 15+%, unusable and worthless. Nice people huh?

Some of the worst Corporations out there fly under the radar, and the Koch's are proof of that.

The big corporations are your enemy, have been for decades

I found this little video quite by accident...

Top 5 Ways Employers Can Discuss Elections with Their Employees

www.nfib.com...

maybe there's a concerted effort to encourage employers to discuss the election and inform their employees as to the raminifications of the elections to the business, and thus, to their employment status is all....