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Originally posted by BIHOTZ
reply to post by nighthawk1954
don't forget to walk in backwards and salute all the mirrors you pass by rubbing your belly and tapping your head.
lol
"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you."
Matthew 7:7
"I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it."
Quote from "The Matrix"
"And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them."
Isaiah 42:16
Originally posted by BIHOTZ
I truly enjoy the occult...
...I can't bring myself to lie so easily. I see it as a lie.
And that was still happening as recently as 10 years ago. Under Saddam Hussein, Masons were beheaded. Tyrants and dictators don't like Masons, because they can't control us. Even here on ATS there are people who state "the only good Mason is a dead Mason." That's hate speech, any way you cut it.
Originally posted by wrdwzrd
I have a problem with the secrecy too, at one point it was needed. those who studied in these topics were harassed and killed.
AGAIN there isn't much that is secret in Masonry either. Only the passwords and hand signs, and all of that has been available in books for 300 years. So your argument doesn't carry much weight.
Anyone please correct me if Im wrong but other than that Mason no other groups, like OTO, Gnostics, AMORC, Golden Dawn, etc. don't say anything about secrecy right? All of the information is out there for self directed study, at this point, there isn't much that is secret.
Originally posted by BIHOTZ
reply to post by Heliophant
I was just under the impression that the flow of knowledge from one to another was only permitted from member to member, and that even if you met someone who would be worthy of being taught, that he must be a fellow member first. I have met interesting people and learned from them more than I could ever show them, they taught me much.
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I guess I might be off key when it comes to how the initiated can act around like minded people, who happen to not be members. For some reason I thought it was forbidden to carry a normal conversation without restrictions on certain subjects, because of membership.
I get what you are saying though, it is as worthless to give what is not sought after, as it is to receive what you do not know you need. Certain things must be discovered by the seeker, and cannot be shown by the ones who see them. That is true.