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Originally posted by alldaylong
Originally posted by auraelium
reply to post by yuppa
First of all the IRA were only one side of the coin, Its strange you should single them out for criticism and completly ignore the fact that the British army and unionist paramilitary groups comitted just as many atrocitys and killed just as many people.
You dont seem to know much about the subject, i dont mean to be putting you down by saying so but the troubled history of Ireland is a long and complicated story, with the troubles of the 60s,70s and 80s being only the final chapter.You have to know the history of Ireland to understand the hatred for the Crown and and how it came about.
How hundreds of thousands of people were thrown off their land in Northern Ireland in the centurys proceding and how their land was given away free to scotish protestants.How 1.5 million people died of hunger during the potato famine while the Crown stood by and done nothing,How the Penal laws were introduced forbidding all catholics (90% of the population) from owning land, practicing their religion or even speaking their native language or attending schools.Even young children were executed for doing so at the that time.Adults were hung drawn and quartered.My own home town was laid siege to by Cromwell, he offered the inhabitants and amnesty to surrender, after they accepted he gave the order for them to be slaughtered, 17,000 men, women and children.These are the things that hatred is born of, and much of that hatred was justified.The troubles in NI were Britains chickens coming home to roost.
You forgot to explain why Cromwell invaded Ireland. It was in retaliation for the Irish Catholic Army that fought on the side of Charles I and his Royalists. Cromwell and his New Model Army where fighting for Parliamentary Democracy. The Irish fought against that.
Originally posted by scotsdavy1
reply to post by Sinny
So if you hate us 'Brits' so much, why are you living here then?
And us Scots never had a bad word to say about anyone in Ireland, Catholic or Protestant ..
Originally posted by yuppa
Originally posted by ollncasino
Originally posted by mr-lizard
And you retaliate by blowing children to pieces. Innocent people who have nothing to do with the conflict.
Bravo.
My ex-brother in laws grandfather was in the original IRA and fought for Irish independence. He thought the provisional IRA were a bunch of murdering terrorists and he most certainly did not support them.
Well the Original One must have been worlds better than the ones who took on the name afterwards. And SInny you have my condolences about having a uncle who is so bitter. My shows how much he cares about family if he would shoot his own relatives. People need to let go of past hatreds to move forward. Hatred is still letting them win. Better to not play the game. I dislike the IRA's actions(new IRA not the old one) Not the people themselves.
Originally posted by Sinny
reply to post by alldaylong
Warnings were given. Action not taken.
What more is there to say?
Originally posted by Sinny
Please don't insult me with your condolences, they are not needed. I've had a very troubled up bringing with my depressive acoholic mother, at the age of 16 it finally came to light why she had had depression all her life, when she was drunk in tears and said "My Ma, my Ma!! I left that pub, and came out and found her body, stabbed 57 times by those 2 fookin soldiers".
And that's without watching my uncle die a slow and painful death over a perios of 2 weeks layin in the hospital, shot through the neck and head.
Originally posted by ollncasino
Originally posted by Sinny
Please don't insult me with your condolences, they are not needed. I've had a very troubled up bringing with my depressive acoholic mother, at the age of 16 it finally came to light why she had had depression all her life, when she was drunk in tears and said "My Ma, my Ma!! I left that pub, and came out and found her body, stabbed 57 times by those 2 fookin soldiers".
And that's without watching my uncle die a slow and painful death over a perios of 2 weeks layin in the hospital, shot through the neck and head.
I am sorry to hear about the loss of your grandmother and uncle.
Why did two soldiers stab your grandmother 57 times outside a pub?
Why was your uncle shot through the neck and head?
Was that a different uncle from the one who told you he would shoot you if you joined the British army?
Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by auraelium
Here is a free history lesson for you:-
en.wikipedia.org...
Now tell me that it's "Nonsense"
Originally posted by Sinny
Originally posted by yuppa
Originally posted by ollncasino
Originally posted by mr-lizard
And you retaliate by blowing children to pieces. Innocent people who have nothing to do with the conflict.
Bravo.
My ex-brother in laws grandfather was in the original IRA and fought for Irish independence. He thought the provisional IRA were a bunch of murdering terrorists and he most certainly did not support them.
Well the Original One must have been worlds better than the ones who took on the name afterwards. And SInny you have my condolences about having a uncle who is so bitter. My shows how much he cares about family if he would shoot his own relatives. People need to let go of past hatreds to move forward. Hatred is still letting them win. Better to not play the game. I dislike the IRA's actions(new IRA not the old one) Not the people themselves.
Please don't insult me with your condolences, they are not needed. I've had a very troubled up bringing with my depressive acoholic mother, at the age of 16 it finally came to light why she had had depression all her life, when she was drunk in tears and said "My Ma, my Ma!! I left that pub, and came out and found her body, stabbed 57 times by those 2 fookin soldiers".
And that's without watching my uncle die a slow and painful death over a perios of 2 weeks layin in the hospital, shot through the neck and head. Also not including the other lives lost over there.
So please, don't insult me. I may be second generation, but the effects are still profound.
Originally posted by auraelium
Originally posted by alldaylong
reply to post by auraelium
Here is a free history lesson for you:-
en.wikipedia.org...
Now tell me that it's "Nonsense"
What you posted does'nt contradict what i am saying. You said Cromwells Invasion was done in revenge, It wasnt, it was a Religious crusade to stamp out Catholicism. its was done to crush catholicism completly from all the British Isles. Cromwell had a pathological hatred of Catholics the same as Hitler had for the Jews.Revenge didnt come into it.when Cromwell wasnt holidaying in Ireland he was travelling around England burning and slaughtering catholics there too.He was a religious fanatic who comitted genocide.
Originally posted by scotsdavy1
reply to post by Sinny
So if you hate us 'Brits' so much, why are you living here then?
And us Scots never had a bad word to say about anyone in Ireland, Catholic or Protestant ..
Originally posted by MortlitantiFMMJ
Here's a good song about the Troubles: Joe McDonnell by the Wolfe Tones
www.youtube.com...
I've no chip on my shoulder about the Brits and will generally support them, but what many people don't realise is that British interference and rule in Ireland was every bit as brutal as the likes of the Soviets in Eastern Europe and other 'enemy' nations throughout history.
Originally posted by MortlitantiFMMJ
Originally posted by scotsdavy1
reply to post by Sinny
So if you hate us 'Brits' so much, why are you living here then?
And us Scots never had a bad word to say about anyone in Ireland, Catholic or Protestant ..
Glasgow Rangers?