Russia And China Join Forces And Prepare For War Against The Falling Apart U.S. Can we win this one

Oh i also love the IDIOTS who say well the US couldnt beat so and so (take Iraq or Afghanistan for example). Their military machines were DECIMATED in weeks. Ongoing insurgency battles are one thing, a governments military machine being completely destroyed is another. SO if the US DECIMATED Russia or China's miltary machine but had to fight insurgency battles it would be a failure? I think not. It depends on the goal. If the goal was to upend and destroy those governmenrts as well as their militaryt infrastructure then mission accomplished.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Jeeg why the dunmass posts on here?

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This is more complicated than an Us vs. Them battle. Most likely this will end up a financial war if it devolves into anything. Russia is trying to rise to power again, and China is trying to rise to power. If anything, they will be at eachother's throats because theyre next door neighbors and when one begins to view the other as a threat (and they will eventually) there will be sparks and discontentment.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


You have to be a complete ignoramus not to know US is an EMPIRE out to take the world.

Obviously the rest of the world will build their defenses and feel animosity toward US

See MAP

Originally posted by Panic2k11
reply to post by miniatus

 

China and Russia are not super powers. They are major nuclear powers and significant economies only...

That makes them super powers.

my army buddy has been saying this for over 10 years, and hes even said how they will evade, and exactly what the war will look like and how things will go leading up to it, and hes been right so far so its kinda creepy


oh yeah, they're gonna kick the # out of us, well who ever is left after the blow up the east coast and most major cities and their millions of drones run out of battries.

Originally posted by petertheskinny
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

You have to be a complete ignoramus not to know US is an EMPIRE out to take the world.

Obviously the rest of the world will build their defenses and feel animosity toward US

See MAP

The map just shows how clever the Americans by having all the bases covered

could bring up the amount of guns the US civilians own too which is far more than most military

reply to post by NLDelta9


What if a civil war or revolution is "instigated" in the U.S.? Will we still be a might to fight the Chinese or the Russians?

reply to post by DarknStormy


No it does not.

There are plenty of nuclear states that are also significant economies, like India for instance (we could even go to Israel but their economic footprint is not as significative, but in relation to their economic zone very much so).

A superpower is a state with a dominant position in the international system which has the ability to influence events and its own interests and project power on a worldwide scale to protect those interests. A superpower is traditionally considered to be a step higher than a great power.

From Wikipedia

The only super power today is the US, Russia has crumbled into almost non-significance in the international theater, it can still push some around because of the number of nukes. but for different reason the same could also be stated about China (that does not have the same number of nukes, but a significant standing army, even the economic significance to make waves, but both do not have any projection of power, I would even say that France has more international projection than them (China is getting there). I believe that we will first witness a flexing of China's muscles in Africa as it protects his interests, or even in Iran (depending on how the US plays the field), in fact it is on the US interest to preempt China to engage before it becomes a real treat or the US army crumbles much like the Soviets due to economic pressures (that is the long game China is playing).

The era of the Anglo-American superiority is at an end, what is left to decide is how they will exit the field, looking into past behavior nothing good is to be expected.

For the record China has made an international pledge never to use nuclear weapons on a first strike. This puts them in a different plane of responsible behavior above all others nuclear powers. One could argue that they could do it by proxy (North Korea or even Pakistan, that is fast falling into the Chinese sphere of influence) but that is an option that is also open to others, in fact that is probably the reason why Israel and India were "allowed" to have nukes (India .got them from Russia). This is the end game that will probably unfold in case of a nuclear interchange, you will see a nuke explode on a major urban center (probably a political capital) of a nuclear opponent, that originated in one of these regions (there is several missing nukes also to add to the confusion).

The China & Russian Governments have been getting ready to attack the USA for about 4 years now behind closed doors, meetings are often taking place, plus they are making the tanks and other defence stuff compatible for some time.
They are seeing the UK & USA take friends off them and invade the people who Russia need and it was certain that they would not keep allowing that to carry on, Syria was the last country that made Russia & China to prepare to sort the west out once and for all.
No the USA cannot win WW3, the reason for that is that America like Europe is broke, to do a war you need money, the west gave that to help the American Presidents Muslim brothers, and the UK have given every penny we had to the Muslims too.
It wont be a long drawn out war, the West will not want to fight, they will sling the towel in before war even starts, the reason is because the USA & UK have terrorists working within the forces and shipping systems so they would attack us too so we could not prepare to defend our countries from outside attacks.
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No war is required.They have to wait for the corrupt american gangster elite to finish their work,after those fascist banking parasites are done ,they will leave USA in a state of poverty,fascism and a genocidal gangster govt.

Thats whats coming.

war would never happen. i don't understand what everyone is arguing about. in any circumstance, no one would win. we'd all just be #ed. they bomb us, we bomb them, plain and simple. only takes 100 nukes to put the world into nuclear winter, yet the world has thousands upon thousands. everyone is suffering from corrupt businessmen and politicians, not just the US , but China and Russia as well. I've lived in all 3 countries and trust me, i know what i see. everywhere is the same, rich get richer, poor get poorer, slowly middle class is fading. rich people in all three countries in retrospect is only a select few. the economy of the world is bigger than just any country. they're all connected. we crash, china crashes, then the rest of the world crashes. /end thread

Tensions between China and Russia are not the best right now.

There's afew issues at play here.

1. Boarder disputes
This has been ongoing for awhile now, both countries trying to claim sovereignty over land (resource rich) but with no conclusion.

2. Copying of military hardware then selling it to Russia's clients.
China used to be a top trading partner with Russia in the 80's and 90's. China has caught on by copying this technology then mass producing it for export for other countries (weapons, jets, tanks, guns), these countries that China is exporting to used to be some of Russia's best clients for military hardware plus less orders from China.
Russia has been accusing China of this plagiarism/copying but China refuses to acknowledge it.

Originally posted by Uneedhlp247
Could this happen? It seems to me that Russia and China both have the same agenda. They are both communist countries and they both seem to hate the United States and what we stand for. I've felt for awhile now that Word War 3 will be the U.S. and our allies vs. Russia, China and their allies. It seems likely to me. Is this something we can handle in our current state? Or is the U.S. as bad ass as we have always been?

No, because of all the nukes.
And there are sometings in your post...
1. Why do you think Russia and China both have the same agenda? What points to that?
2. They are not communist countries. Don't think Russia is a democracy but it ain't communist any more.
3. Why do you think they both seem to hate the United States? Is it because they don't let USA totally run the UN?
And there simply isn't such a thing as handeling WW3.
And USA is bad ass when it comes to taking on 3.rd world countries.

Originally posted by Uneedhlp247
Could this happen? It seems to me that Russia and China both have the same agenda. They are both communist countries and they both seem to hate the United States and what we stand for. I've felt for awhile now that Word War 3 will be the U.S. and our allies vs. Russia, China and their allies. It seems likely to me. Is this something we can handle in our current state? Or is the U.S. as bad ass as we have always been?

edit on 26-8-2012 by Uneedhlp247 because: (no reason given)

Russia is not a Communist country...

reply to post by crackerjack


These are issues but not deal breakers, it would ultimately be on both great powers to see the end of the US as a super power.

The US is now obliged to contract due to the declining economy, unless the industrial military complex is kept feed and this only happens with conflict and gathering of the resources of others, this has been the US system for some time. Lets say that the US adopted a turtle policy like that proposed by Ron Paul and started to withdraw from most external affairs, this would only slow down the process and diffuse the possibility of armed conflict. The downside is that in a few years China (or another power) could easily be in a situation that could thwart the US national interests abroad, slowly suffocating it, much like the decline of the UK on the world after decolonization process and WW1 that permitted the US to rise.

Since the only chance to keep the status quo is to drastically undermine any competition war is very likely and the soon the best for the US interests (not the population but the policy makers), otherwise the situation will soon be unsustainable as we are witnessing and will soon get worst. The fallback option could give time for the US to secure a better position for the next 20-50 years at best, were its role in the world stage would be reversed probably with China. After that we would see some other nation probably India or Russia attempt to be top dog, but the super power duology has ended to never more return, as an alternative we could see power blocks emerge and if that does not end us all we could probably go toward a path of a world government (but not anything like what is proposed today, to work it has to be something new and that supports a great level of decentralization and sharing of power). My bet is that we will not survive so far into the process...

reply to post by Uneedhlp247


What makes you think that China hates the USA...?

Its always the same, you see the only way the big bad guy USA can even think about getting beat up would be if the other guys team up, so its like a fantasy anti USA people have. But at this time, China would never do anything to mess with their biggest partner, they are enjoying their rise too much, if we go down , they sure as hell do to and they know this. Not to mention, China and Russia are not that friendly at all, they would fight between themselves for sure being neighbors and all , they will end up at each others throats before they would go at us. Resources will be the issue that creates the big battle and those guys will be fighting over what lies around and between them. If any other "big" country ever does full out go for the US, its game over for all parties involved, no if ands or buts. So it wont happen, if it does, its already hit the fan in some other way and a last resort to survive, this is the only way the big one will happen.

reply to post by Uneedhlp247


1. China is communist. Russia is not any more.

2. The Russian military has not been seen in action in decades. They could pretend to have a shabby army so that their strength is underestimated. Georgia could've just been a kind of 'look at us, we aren't the best army anymore'

3. China has been bulking up its military strength and increased it's hardware stock to combat any US incursions into Asia (they're like Imperial Japan in the 40s). Any plan of action by China would be to cripple the US naval might through their ASBM (Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile) and other Anti-Ship Missile systems and using their vast reserves of manpower to walk over the other Asian nations with US backing. Then they just sit back and lob a couple hundred strategic ICBMs into the US' major cities and cripple the industrial might of the US.

4. Russia wouldn't fight the US without having to fight Europe and it wouldn't do that easily or well. They would need to use their tank battalions (still the best trained tank crews world wide) to 'blitzkrieg' Europe and rely on their missile silos to pound European forces. Britain would be cut off and surrounded.

5. The US would have to fight 5 fronts. 1) Africa - To combat China's allies and hold their own puppet regimes. 2) Asia - Combat China and to save their allies from certain defeat. 3) Mid East - To save Israel from the inevitable attacks from Iran, Syria and Pakistan. 4) Europe - To counter Russian gains and help re-instate their own military dominance. 5) S. America - In order to crush Cuba, Venezuela and other anti-US nations and take stabilize the oil lines... This doesn't count in what China and Russia might send as a sort of naval deterrent force to keep the USN tied up in their home waters while Russia and China bring the former Soviet states under their influence.


Or, if the US/EU struck first it could crush Russia and China within a matter of weeks but the retaliation strikes would, no doubt, be nuclear which would simply eradicate the Human race from the face of the planet.

Originally posted by petertheskinny
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

You have to be a complete ignoramus not to know US is an EMPIRE out to take the world.

Obviously the rest of the world will build their defenses and feel animosity toward US

See MAP

No empire can take over the world, and the U.S. is certainly not an empire. World's police force maybe, but those days are coming to an end because we can't afford it anymore. As for me being an ignoramus, no i am not. Try to be a little more civil when you address someone next time and a little less rude and you will be better recieved.