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POLITICS: China-Taiwan Tension Worsening

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posted on Oct, 9 2004 @ 07:13 PM
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Former president of Taiwan Lee Teng-hui held a speech in english yesterday. he said it was high time to "save Taiwan" by writing a new constitution, and that sovereignty issues are the main flaws with Taiwan's Constitution. Today is Taiwan's National Day, and current President Chen Shui-bian is to hold an important speech. President Chen is known to support Taiwans independence from China.
French President Jacques Chirac said he supports China on this issue.
 



www.chinapost.com.tw
French President Jacques Chirac said on Saturday tension between China and Taiwan was worsening and backed Beijing"s "one country, two systems" formula for recovering the self governed island.
His statement came on the eve of Taiwan"s Oct. 10 National Day when President Chen Shui-bian is expected to make a major policy statement that could contain a peace overture to China, which regards the island as a province that must be returned to the fold -- by force if necessary.

"We are worried about the tense situation in this region that is currently worsening," Chirac told a news conference in Beijing after talks with his Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao.

"France completely understands China"s long-standing position and the position that President Hu Jintao just spoke about -- one country, two systems," Chirac said, referring to the formula under which Hong Kong reverted to Chinese rule in 1997 with a promise of a high degree of autonomy.

"Any challenge to the balance in the Taiwan Strait region will be very dangerous and detrimental for everyone," he added.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


I think its just a question of time before Taiwan declare independence. China seems determined to not let them have it without a fight. US have said it will defend Taiwan at any cost. This can really escalate into something big, whenever Taiwan declare independence. And it seems like it might be soon...

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[edit on 6-11-2004 by Banshee]



posted on Oct, 9 2004 @ 07:24 PM
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Question; shold the Taiwanese just surrender their independace ala "Chamberlain" style as was done on the eve of WW-II in the false hope of world peace or should the Taiwanese express their right to self detemination irregardless of the Chinese desire to control them.

What is your opinion, "peace in our time" or "freedom at all costs"

Where do you draw the line when it comes to your own comfort over others freedom?



posted on Oct, 9 2004 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix
Question; shold the Taiwanese just surrender their independace ala "Chamberlain" style as was done on the eve of WW-II in the false hope of world peace or should the Taiwanese express their right to self detemination irregardless of the Chinese desire to control them.

What is your opinion, "peace in our time" or "freedom at all costs"

Where do you draw the line when it comes to your own comfort over others freedom?


This is a very complex question. I wish Taiwan would get their independence without war, as long as the majority of their population want this. But China dont look at it that way. They consider Taiwan as a Chinese territory.
I guess you might compare this to a scenario where Hawaii would want independence from US (and was backed by China)...



posted on Oct, 9 2004 @ 09:02 PM
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Tibet is also fighting albeit peacefully to get their independence from China as well. Taiwan should be thankful that they are independent.

This isn't a bad thing, they just see something wrong with China and don't want to be a part of it.



posted on Oct, 9 2004 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix
What is your opinion, "peace in our time" or "freedom at all costs"

Where do you draw the line when it comes to your own comfort over others freedom?


I don't know. Normally, i'd sa FREEDOM AT ALL COSTS. But if China attacks Taiwan, the US will come to bat for Taiwan, things will get REAL sour, and bam, CHINA VS. USA. And that, my friends, might be the end of civilization as we know it.

I just pray to god China or Taiwan makes a concession.



posted on Oct, 9 2004 @ 10:25 PM
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If the US allows China to destroy Taiwan, as far as Im concerned the American Century is done with. No one will ever take our promoting democaracy seriously any more. That being said. China has the ability to destroy Taiwan, not invade it right now.

I hope that Taiwan will come shopping and the US will allow them to purchase whatever defensive weapons they need to deter this agression.



posted on Oct, 9 2004 @ 10:37 PM
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Just in...:


From: BBC: Taiwan head seeks China dialogue

Taiwan's President Chen Shui-bian has said he is ready for talks with China.
He was speaking on the anniversary of the establishment of the island state, which the communist mainland regards as a renegade province.

"Because we can't communicate, there's a lot of misunderstanding," said Mr Chen, who has backed an independent policy since taking power in 2000.

He also called for arms control talks to try to defuse military tensions across the Straits of Taiwan.


The president also said that China should talk to Taiwan about direct charter flights from the island to the Chinese mainland.

However, he also defended his proposal to seek a multi-billion dollar purchase of US armaments.

"Every citizen should recognize that increasing Taiwan's defensive strength is the first condition of preserving the peaceful status quo in the Taiwan Strait," he said.


Click on Chen (picture) for the full article from BBC...

[edit on 2004/11/6 by Hellmutt]



posted on Oct, 9 2004 @ 11:57 PM
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Chens speech:

President Chen's Address to the National Day Rally

...It is so long so you should click in on the link above and read the whole thing fer yerselves...

However, the speach included this:

"The threat of military force poses the greatest "shadows of terror" and "forces of darkness" across the Taiwan Strait. At present, there are more than 600 ballistic missiles targeting Taiwan, and the numbers grow by 50 to 75 missiles each year--a serious threat that neither the Taiwan people nor the international society can afford to look on idly. These "shadows of terror" and "forces of darkness" not only directly threaten the peaceful status quo of the Taiwan Strait, they also undermine regional stability and global security."



posted on Oct, 10 2004 @ 11:31 PM
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From Xinhuanet: Chen Shui-bian's call for talks discredited :
Taiwan leader Chen Shui-bian was accused Sunday of playing word games in his "national day" speech.

Mainland researchers described his call for cross-Straits peace talks as "more symbolic than substantial."

The researchers said Chen's peace overture was "too insincere and vague to be treated seriously by the mainland"

Chen promoted Taiwan as an independent country throughout an earlier address yesterday and justified the island's planned purchase of American weapons.

His administration is planning to buy 610.8 billion new Taiwanese dollars (US$18.2 billion) worth of US-manufactured anti-missile systems, planes and submarines. The move has met with strong opposition from the Taiwanese people.

"You can see clearly Chen is determined to push for 'Taiwan independence' through military build-up and his talk about peace is nothing but deception"

Meanwhile, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Kong Quan expressed on Saturday strong indignation for the recent convening of the "US-Taiwan defence conference" in the United States.

The United States and Taiwan recently held an annual defence conference in Arizona, during which it was reported that US Deputy Under Secretary of Defence Richard Lawless urged Taiwan to approve its special budget for the US arms purchase.

"This practice helped motivate the Taiwan independence forces and is very harmful to peace and stability across the Taiwan Straits," Kong said."


The Chinese are "laughing" at Chens speech...
...and they also say what they feel about the US arms purchase.
"Very harmful to peace and stability across the Taiwan Straits"



posted on Oct, 11 2004 @ 12:13 AM
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I would actually hope that a peaceful solution can be reached..but then again you just have to look at what China has been doing with its military, and not only concerning Taiwan....Why do you think is the reason for China building more long range missiles?...do they plan just to have them as deterrents?.... or are they evidence that what Chinese officials have said in the past, "of taking the advantage over the US, since according to them a war with us is inevitable..."

I wish we lived in a truely peaceful world...but unfortunately peace is just some time off between wars. I always take the stand in the name of freedom, not anarchy, no matter what....just look at my signature. Once we turn a blind eye towards tyrany....we become part of the problem.

[edit on 11-10-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on Oct, 13 2004 @ 12:06 PM
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Not everybody in Taiwan are so happy about this US arms deal...


CONTROVERSIAL DEAL: A pan-blue politician attacked two pan-green lawmakers after they pointed out that the deal to buy US weapons was formulated by the KMT.



Taipei Times: Legislators scuffle over arms budget


[edit on 2006/4/25 by Hellmutt]



posted on Oct, 22 2004 @ 11:25 PM
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Taiwan showed off its new missile defence system yesterday...


From Military displays Patriot missiles

Saturday, Oct 23, 2004,Page 1
The military showed off its missile defense system to the media for the first time yesterday, but said it badly needed more advanced weaponry to counter the threat posed by China.

The defense ministry opened one of its three Patriot missile bases to reporters in a rare move apparently aimed at trying to win legislative support for the controversial US$18 billion special arms-purchase budget.

"The missiles can be used to shoot down incoming enemy aircraft, ballistic and cruise missiles," General Ku Feng-tai (J), head of missile command, told reporters.

The military said it was confident in the ability of the three PAC-2 anti-missile batteries, but that it needed more advanced versions to match the increasing number of ballistic missiles China had targeted at Taiwan.

"The foremost threat from the Chinese communists is their some 600 ballistic missiles," said Admiral Chen Pang-chih (–M), head of the political warfare bureau.

The ministry estimated the number of ballistic missiles aimed at Taiwan would reach 800 by the end of 2006.


Click link for full article...



posted on Oct, 27 2004 @ 12:30 AM
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They were fighting Taiwan again. They were throwing chicken and rice at each other. I just saw a video of the fight on CNN. The reason for their fight? This:


From Pan-blues block arms deal citing Powell's comments

The statute governing the arms deal with the US failed to pass the Procedure Committee yesterday as the pan-blue camp claimed they objected to the statute in response to US Secretary of State Colin Powell's statement that "Taiwan is not a sovereign state," and the meeting ended in confusion as the lawmakers from the two camps threw their lunch boxes and other items at each other to vent their frustration.

The pan-blue camp lawmakers boycotted the statute yesterday, saying that if Powell does not recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state, then Taiwan should refrain from buying weapons from the US.

Click on DPP Legislator Chen Chong-yi (above) for the full article...



[edit on 2004/11/6 by Hellmutt]



posted on Oct, 27 2004 @ 01:58 AM
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From Taipei Times: MOFA blasts US `betrayal'

Minister of Foreign Affairs Mark Chen criticized Secretary of State Colin Powell's remarks on the cross-strait relationship two days ago as a breach of the "mutual trust" shared between Taiwan and the US.

"The US has told us not to give them surprises, but this time it is the US giving us a surprise. This is unfair. Taiwan and the US share the same interests and we should build mutual trust. But Powell's talk has breached mutual trust," Chen said.

"This is indeed the first time the US has used relatively heavy language [about the cross-strait relationship]," Chen said when questioned by other lawmakers.

"There is only `one China.' Taiwan is not independent. It does not enjoy sovereignty as a nation, and that remains our policy, our firm policy," Powell told the Phoenix TV.

Click the link for the full article...

Looks like Taiwan wont buy US-arms anyway.
And US-Taiwan relationship is worsening instead.



posted on Oct, 27 2004 @ 07:01 AM
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USATODAY.com apparently have a video of the food fight.
I havent been able to see this one myself. I saw it on CNN (TV).

(You must have either Windows Media Player (7.1 or higher) or Real Player (RealOne or higher) installed on your computer to view the video.)

Link to USATODAY.com article, where a video can be found as well



posted on Oct, 27 2004 @ 08:14 AM
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The US will jump in to defend taiwan about as fast as a snail would run a mile for a salt bath. Our way of "defending" them is to sell them weapons and let them defend themselves. With the state of the US ground forces atm we'd HAVE to have a draft and use nuclear weapons to even think about being successful against china. They could send soldiers to that island faster than we could shoot them.



posted on Oct, 27 2004 @ 08:27 AM
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The U.S. preparedness strategies are moving in such a way as they would be there in the event of a chinese attack.

They are coordinating and integrating w/ the Tawanese. They are moving forces to the ready.



posted on Oct, 27 2004 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by bodebliss
The U.S. preparedness strategies are moving in such a way as they would be there in the event of a chinese attack.

They are coordinating and integrating w/ the Tawanese. They are moving forces to the ready.


Ummm, where are you getting that info from? We don't have enough ground forces to fight the chinese, Taiwan doesn't do enough for the US to justify americans dyeing. You think Dubua is going to drop a nuke on the chinese? Than who will supply walmart with all the cheap stuff? Think it through man, if you had a choice between Walmart or cheap RAM for your computer who would win? Taiwan will fall and we will watch from the sidelines. We have way to much on our plate atm to even consider doing anything but selling weapons to them.



posted on Oct, 27 2004 @ 08:53 AM
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If we have to defend Tiawan, they should become the 51 state



posted on Oct, 27 2004 @ 03:15 PM
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Please not for the record, I am right and you are wrong!

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