Homeland Security Report Lists ‘Liberty Lovers’ As Terrorists

Well the only people who aren't terrorists are apparently the people who actually walk in line with every restriction placed upon them by government and our society today, and there are so many that it really keeps us from being able to express ourselves.

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Or just don't resort to violence and destroying property? It might not keep you off terrorist watchlists, but it will keep you from BEING a terrorist.

Originally posted by Honor93
his speeches were but his actions tell a very different tale.
which "other country" did Lincoln declare war upon ??
was there a "south" American country that isn't reported in the history books?

do tell, which "nations" are you referencing?
perhaps if you study some real history, instead of the govt sponsored stories of same history, maybe then you'll understand why patriotic Americans (like MLK) understood and preached that words MINUS action are still just words.

ETA: i'm guessing you know nothing of MLKs calls to "action" ??
i would suppose you perceive a "strike" is nothing involving "civil disobedience", right?
also, since Lincoln was POTUS, he had a "right" to militarily invade the southern states, correct ??

Action is different than violence. It would do you well to appreciate that. I never said his core philosophy was against action, I said it was against violence.

The south was most certainly a "nation". While it was never formally recognized as such, it had a federal government, president, capitol, and the only reason it never got officially recognized and supported was politics. The confederacy considered themselves at war with another nation, while it was the union that essentially voided the idea saying they were never a nation to begin with. History is written by the victors, and your version of history seems to be that of the victors. According to Lincoln, they never "invaded" anybody. They put down an uprising as far as they were all concerned.

So to answer your question, yes there was a "south" American country that the history books don't really acknowledge. The government sponsored stories of history written by those who won.

I see people here overly worried about what their fellow citizens feel toward the "authority" of the land. That authority who´s power is established and legitimized through the constitution has made itself void of said contract. The union, that is each individual state, are in effect second class nations. They pay tribute in taxes and man power for the armed forces only to receive instructions from the federal capital of Washington D.C..

Through executive privileges and other un-voted, un-guaranteed powers that the people of the USA did not give PERMISION to the federal government to have, we have seen the abuse and indeed the dissolution of the federal government's authority in any valid form.

The federal government has effectively strangled ALL forms of media, exchange and political expression. They have made a situation in which the people have been robbed of a democratic system that protects political opposition so that opposition does not feel the need to become militant in order to exist.

Military hardware being used on OUR PEOPLE and Federal personnel given powers the contract that establishes the federal government EXPLICETLY forbids. Illegal mass search and seizures. Detentions without peer review, ect.

By doing this and simultaneously controlling ALL forms of democratic and legal combat of their political consolidation of power under one branch of government and ONE MAN, they have left all true opposition with no choice but CAPITULATION to a foreign power, Washington DC. The federal power has stripped our respective states from the ability to govern its people by its people.

The union has been dissolved and replaced by an all powerful centralized federal government that should not exist according to our highest laws.

If the peoples resources for political expression, and power of civic organizing were respected the mass majority of us here would use said civic and democratic systems so as to effect change in our country. Since it is unrealistic and naive to think that at this stage in the game with a full blown shadow government leading our respective states into ruin, that they and their supporters will step aside, we must remove them since they will never do so on their own. We have less power politically than multinational corporations that look out for their interests at best and in a worst case scenario, work in the interests of a foreign power that bought into their leadership.

No, it is a treasonous crime to back a federal government that has become a foreign power governing a union of sovereign states. That union has been dissolved since its contract has been bypassed and rendered useless.

To NOT see this is to decide you want no voice or platform with your people who WILL eventually remove such a criminal entity that has created an unelected undemocratic system of power and governance. Anything else is wishful thinking.

Revolution is all they have left on the table. If they release their hold over the media and dismantle the mass propaganda machine OUR TAXES pay for which tries to influence our political landscape BY THE ELECTED. If they cease and desist of all illegal wartime activity unsanctioned by congress. If they release ALL political prisoners who are guilty of nonviolent political rallying and civic organizing.

If they do these things and other actions which demonstrate a spirit and commitment which are conducive to the respect and sovereignty of THE PEOPLE, we shall consider re-validating their tenure as the elected representatives of OUR PEOPLE AND OUR COUNTRY.

The threat of force will not dissuade us. The threat of reprimand and punishment will not dissuade us. THE ADDRESSING OF OUR ISSUE and our problems WILL be our only acceptable resolution of our grievances.

Ignoring the issue won't make it go away. We can't live and let live since they have now waged economic warfare on the American people. This has made the situation unbearable.

They have used a tragic event, 9/11, to pass legislature that effectively ends the existence of the sovereign nation of the united states. Like the Reichstag fire, this event has marked the formal appearance of the shadow government in elected office ( an election who many know was STOLEN), and this event has been used to create an illegal system of force and unlawful physical punishment of the American people. Our civil liberties that protect against those abuses have been stripped away without due process of vote and decision by our representatives.

We will only die. If you imprison us, the rest of us that are undecided will not be so when their government decides for them. If you punish us, we will grow in number and resolve. If you try and scatter us we will then organize, since now we are but a loosely affiliated people who agree on our collective situation.

If you do anything except what is legally accepted by all by the established law of the land, anything at all, you will only feed our growth and need to remove our opposition.

This mentality that we are out of "options" and things of that nature portray a desperate and extreme attitude. All it takes is the right (or wrong in this case) set of circumstances to set such a person off and have them "take matters into their own hands" for what they believe is "the good of the country and his countrymen." or something of that nature. I'm not saying "This person IS a terrorist or that person is a terrorist" but the honest truth is that kind of mentality has led to people blowing up buildings.

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well then we need for our options to be respected. That is why it is so important for the government not to employ mass propaganda. It leads people to see that they have no voice in their country. No representation.

sound familiar? no taxation without representation..........

If multinational corporations had less power over our elected than US, we might consider the system again as valid and worthy. Useful even.

But no. It is a blatant lie to say that the people can get someone they want elected. It is a lie to say that that person will be allowed to remain faithful even considering that THERE IS A SHADOW GOVERNMENT WE DID NOT ELECT running the country.

they have taken ALL LEGAL AND CIVIL forms of addressing our grievances.

they have to return and restore those necessary functions of a democratic society to their proper order,

or eventually a political opposition will grow and see its only form of existence as a militant one.
This is reality, Not Nazi dream land.

We are Americans, not scared Germans of our grandparents generation. We will defy them openly and in mass, BEFORE it gets to that point.

That is the point.