Hillary Clinton: World may not succeed in Syria

Geneva, Switzerland (CNN) -- There is no guarantee that a sweeping new international agreement on Syria will succeed in ending the conflict there, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton conceded, as opposition activists said the number of dead had skyrocketed in recent months.

"There is no guarantee that we are going to be successful. I just hate to say that," Clinton told CNN.

But she expressed optimism that a new agreement hammered out Saturday would help ease President Bashar al-Assad out of power.

IMO,

Anything that is orchestrated by the international con artist Kofi Annan will fail.

That is his sole mission (aside from getting as much cash out the deal that is)

"The new agreement provides vague language which is open to interpretation," the opposition Local Coordination Committees of Syria said in a statement Sunday. "This provides yet another opportunity for the regime's thugs to play their favorite game in utilizing time in order to stop the popular Syrian Revolution and extinguish it with violence and massacres across Syria."................

Kofi Annan, the joint special envoy for the United Nations and Arab League, invited diplomats from the U.N. Security Council and envoys from Turkey, the United Nations, the European Union and the Arab League to the global meeting in Geneva on Saturday.

The group also called for a transitional government.

Annan said it could include members of the current Syrian regime, making it theoretically possible that al-Assad will be a part of the transition.

But Annan pointed out it is the Syrians who will decide the make-up.

CNN story

Assad is an interesting character. He is a physician. An eye doctor. His birthdate is 9/11.

If he can resist the western illuminists he will be the first to ever do so.

He is not the good guy. Neither are they.

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Maybe Putin proved to Hillary that his is really is bigger than hers???

This 'Agreement/Proposal' is quite Ambiguous, indeed, whilst it way be received as an 'Agreement' the discussions failed, Assad wont accept stepping down, the Rebels wont accept anything with Assad,

what this agreement is, is a stalling tactic, after this plan fails to gain momentum, the US can come back saying the Agreement didn't work, we must create Sanctions Etc

We can all stay cool and calm. Evil will never win.

There's still a way, with very higher chances of success to defeat those HumanSlayers and their supporters in the new plan, accepted by ALL UN nations.

1. Putin of Russia and the CCP govt of China both had what they want now, with this new agreement, as well as the Free world. It is ambigious, NO DOUBT. But there lays the solutions.

The HumanSlayers supporters want that prince of beasts to remain in power, but will accept a transitional govt. By all means, grant them their wish. Those anti-humanity supports HAD AGREED to the World' United Nations agreement to bring peace and Rule of Law in Syria, or FACE the consequences for backing out on the world, with reprisals of financial and resources sanctions upon them for their absence of integrity and honor for the Rule of Law.

Russia produces not much nor consumes much, as it is a poor nation under corrupt Putin. It is only oil that had currently made them wealthy. End the buying of oil in russia by united nations, and the bribing of the russian population to stay apathetic will end, along with Putin's corrupt rule.

China consumes little but produces much. End the buying of China's goods, and the CCP govt will be on its knees, if their heads are not beheaded by their angry population seeking for freedom and the aspirations of all mankind.

Point is, the onus now lays with the HumanSlayers supporters, such as Putin, the CCP govt and apostate infidel ayatollahs of Iran. They are fully responsible for the continued bloodshed in Syria, of a free people fighting againts genocide and extermination by a regime supported by them, that is hell bent on exterminating every one of innocent men, women and children by tanks and air power.

If those HumanSlayer supporters support the plan, they will have to make sure the beast Assad accept a unity govt, or conscionable prove that desire by the GENUINE ceasefire of ALL hostilities to the Rebellion. If barbarian Assad refuses, then they have the choice, to say hell to all humanity, let there be death and destruction to all, or to get rid of that wild animal Assad themselves and be responsible to the world community.


2. The Free Syrian Army or the authority in charge SHOULD accept the UN agreement. Their only chagrin is that the cannibal Assad be involved. But for the sake of Rule of Law, the Rebellion MUST accept the agreement, even though it does not mean they have to enact a ceasefire now, as the Assadist forces had proven themselves craven by continually and had actually escalated the slaughter of more innocent men, women and children, ignoring the previous UN mandated ceasefire.

The FSA, have the fullest right to protect their loved ones from the butchery by Assadist forces and their supporters, until the Rule of Law is acknowledge by the Assad barbarians

There is NO need to fear that the animal Assad or his bunch of butchers will EVER get elected into the unity govt. Majority of Humans will never support HumanSlayers. The beast Assad may try election fraud, the way Putin did to stay in power, but the Free Syrian People are not fools, and can equally beat such games with better honor.

It takes grassroot actions now by the FSP to reach out to all, to ensure the murderer Assad and his supporters pays for justice for the tens of thousands murdered in his hand, and NEVER those gang of wild beasts ever gets a spot in the adminstration of a new and free Syria.



3. Assad will naturally disregard the current UN mandate, in hubris that he is protected by Russia, Iran and China, and can continue to slaughter as many as he wishes. He is a tyrant and will presume outside interferences as an affront to its own soveriegnity. So did Hitler, the destroyers of Yugoslavia,Robert Mugabe, etc....

They had forgotten that we are only one human race, bonded by our commonalities to achieve the goals of life. All are our brothers and sisters, and NONE condones the butchery of innocent fellow human men, women, and children where-ever they lived in.

Thus, the barbarian Assad will have to pay for his belligerance.

We mankind have much more to do now, and that is to reach out to our fellow free humans in Syria and others in the world, to support the new game plan, despite the very much obvious failures involved. Solve it, with Rule of Law, and the Syrian People can trust justice once more.

Screw it, and those injustices will spill over and out to the world itself, creating a greater worldwide conflict than we can ever imagine, with thousands of innocent lives losts daily, thanks to our apathy and letting HumanSLayers and their suppporters their way to exterminate mankind....

reply to post by xuenchen


My concern is if they oust Assad, something worse will take his place like oh say...the Muslim Brotherhood, that now has Libya, Egypt and just about most of the Islamic M.E..

I smell a push to recreate the Caliphate and where do you think it's eyes will turn? To israel and Jerusalem. With Muhammad Morsi of Egypt carnival barking about marching martyrs to Jerusalem to retake it, just imagine when Israel is once again surrounded by religious fanatics. Ofcourse we already know that is going to happen, the prophets have declared it so it's just a matter of time and it may be the event that leads to the temple being rebuilt.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by xuenchen

 

My concern is if they oust Assad, something worse will take his place like oh say...the Muslim Brotherhood, that now has Libya, Egypt and just about most of the Islamic M.E..

'worse' for who? Western interests?

I say let the entire region collapse back into small, ethnically-diverse enclaves, as existed previous to Europe and Russia border-drawing for their own self-interests.

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by xuenchen

 

My concern is if they oust Assad, something worse will take his place like oh say...the Muslim Brotherhood, that now has Libya, Egypt and just about most of the Islamic M.E..

'worse' for who? Western interests?

I say let the entire region collapse back into small, ethnically-diverse enclaves, as existed previous to Europe and Russia border-drawing for their own self-interests.

Islam was drawing borders of it's own before Europe and Russia, or have you forgotten the Ottoman Empire and its predecessor Caliphates? Muhammad carved his own empire starting in the 7th century that lasted 1300 years. Do you seriously think that this is a modern issue? It never has been. It's people being their same old selfish greedy selves. There is nothing new under the sun.

Kofi Annan ?

I'm pretty sure he's on of the goodguys!

This will never go to plan, because Assad wont just give up.

After watching a docco in Libya and looking at the way the propoganda played that war out, i dont blame him.

TBH I still have no clue whats going on inside Syria, just like 99.9% of people on this board!

reply to post by xuenchen


Well what we are thinking of, is if the IMF invests 5 billion there for a trade depot for the new Silk Road, Syria has to donate the land. So where they want to put a large trade depot that could be as large as the Singapore Airport in time, depends on the Syrian people.

Now it makes sense to focus on Tartus since it has a deep water port, and to build a dry dock there.

But where the depot goes, may be more in agricultural land or some other area. The fact is wherever they select, they will have to consult experts, and I suggest that experts of this kind reside in the SCO.

And since the SCO will be managing the Silk Road, Syria should work closely with them.

Politically this is where the line is being drawn in the sand. Beyond this point the Middle east is a mixed bag of various groups which provide security of a sort. If murder and torture and invading an unarmed country with extreme deadly force, is security. I am not sure that is security but then.

So, basically we want to build a world trade network, and we want to move towards free trade for this network since protectionism does not work. It does not feed the hungry and it does not raise GDP of poorer nations.

America has been dealing with Iraq for 15 or more years punishing them for being Iraqis, and having oil and the GDP per capita is still 3,000 per year.
Mother of all nation building has been going on there which transformed it from a classic architecture green countryside with idyllic canals, into a sandy puddle with oil floating on it. We call that epic fail.

Stockton California, in the heart of California farmland just declared bankruptcy so you see protectionism has not helped them right in the heart of farm country.

And it has not helped America as a whole which has been borrowing 6 trillion plus every four years.

So basically Europe and its banking crisis is just a symptom of a larger problem. Using your war machine as a trade tool of the privileged 1 percent made them fat. Their 300 million human shields you call American citizens have almost zero say in politics, yet they are continually led around by the Ralph Naders you prop up in lieu of real alternatives.

So, we want to improve things globally? I think we can agree on that. Then we need to start doing some better work globally and set up some proper infrastructure and at least make one good global trade route, tie it to the Internet, which is a great global success story, and work towards freer trade which creates more business and commerce and provides better global markets for all.

America is not the best country in the world. Not by a long shot. They do not care for their own people. They live on the street by the hundreds of thousands and its really sad to see a country so high on itself, stay so low on the evolutionary ladder.

The emerging economies are growing and they will produce commerce as they grow, and people will prosper.
As a world we can work together to help everyone prosper.
7 billion people need to eat.
I don't know, what it must be like to live in America in your car and try to raise a family, while such flagrant waste of money and resources is just blown around the world in a weekend of fun at some resort.
The nations wealth is forever just flying off to pig out in some far away location for a few days.

And you have to scrounge in garbage cans to feed your kids?

Well I feel sorry for America some times. It doesn't have to be like that because there is plenty for everyone.
But not under a system that is based on protectionism.

We, the rest of the world will just not shop at your stores any more. On-line or elsewhere and we will make our own trade deals with the SCO, and we will watch as you continue your slide into oblivion.

A rich nation with a sick heart. And your public unrest grows all the time.

America did not put money into the IMF fund that raised 456 billion for global economic development and that may be because no one wants you to be involved.

I dont know why everyone is blaming Assad? He is being set up by the US/EU and the UK. With the help of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Not to long ago Hillary admitted on the news that the US and the Muslim brotherhood were making deals and were fallowing a strict US set time line.. And the Muslim brotherhood is the fraction that is steering up the population in Syria. Just like they did in Egypt and Libya. With the blessings of the US/EU/UK.

Condoleezza Rice started talks with the Muslim Brotherhood in 2005 under Bush. Hillary is doing the same under Obama.

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You have serious trade problems in America that are not going away. And Canada too, although we have made a lot of progress, there are large companies restricting goods to protect their market share.

Screw the consumer and your governments have time and again agreed to screw you.

Its easy to compromise a few greedy politicians, and in that way compromise the country completely.
So Ipod is manufactured in China. Well you really like screwing your own people because you pay 5 buck, and charge 500.
And still you won't let other major companies sell their products?

There was a company here with a really hot product a few years ago, a multi-media player, the first commercial success of its kind, but it was not allowed to sell in Canada, until the major big companies had their competitive products on the shelf. It had to wait 5 years. And when it hit the shelves, no one wanted it because well they were everywhere at that time and much cheaper.

They had sales globally but not in Canada. Protectionism does not help the consumer, and lets not forget that you are not really protecting jobs now, since you farm out labor to Asia and India and other countries.

The more people who see your product, the more you will sell. And your country is preventing that.

And they think that is how economics and trade is supposed to work.
Well it doesn't. Not in todays world.

reply to post by Rocketman7


SO ok, as an example Android phone. Well Android is an Internet type company product made by Google one company large enough to compete with your monopoly Microsoft.

And its an American company because you would send thugs over to beat up anyone else who tries I am sure. lol

Its a great product continually being improved. Google is a global company expanding into Asia. Asia has chosen android largely because its a great product and it doesn't come with a built in spying agency like Microsoft does.
Its open source.

In my country, we have very weak kneed politicians. And so they get walked on all the time by our own large companies but sometimes they fight back and win.

Rogers, a cable company, gets away with murder basically, including just stealing your money and charging your bill.

If you put 100 dollars in your pay as you go phone, you do not have to fill it up for a year.

They will over that time period steal that money from you even if you do not make a call it will be gone.

Spend 10 dollars every month, and you will begin to accrue a balance.And it will grow monthly and at the end of the year you will have 120 dollars in your phone. They don't want to steal from the guy who puts 10 bucks in, but they do steal from the one who puts a hundred in. And in all cases the usage is the same rates are the same.
And they get away with this every day, including phoning your cell phone and not answering or just playing a recording with some back-room deal by some sham scam marketing firm for a kickback deal.
Thats legal in Canada because we don't have a guillotine.Yet.

Thats the American influence on our economy. And our lives. As we send entertainers to California, they send business people to Canada.

There is no hope for Canada. But there still is hope for America.
I think you just have to rethink your trade strategy because there is a major world coalition building against you and as it gains momentum, your economy is going to hit a brick wall, and China will not continue to bail you out.

reply to post by Rocketman7


America' business policy that there is a sucker born every minute, that only works on the sheep you keep in your cages.
The rest of the world is really not as stupid as you think.
And they are coming into capitalism knowing all about you, and how you say one thing and do another. And how you claim to be righteous and good, and massacre unarmed helpless people and steal their oil.

So when Hilary says the world won't win, does she mean America will?

reply to post by Rocketman7


See you don't have to chew someone's face off, just say clear and present danger and you will get my attention...

Turkey weighs options for dealing with Syria
"ISTANBUL — When Syrian forces shot down a Turkish reconnaissance jet last month, Turkey vowed to take “necessary steps” and its prime minister declared Syria a “clear and present danger.”"

www.washingtonpost.com...

Well who are you going to attack? Who is sending in mercenaries? So attack the country that is sending in mercenaries. What? Were you going to attack the victims?

reply to post by Rocketman7


Yes this is hardball. And it will only get worse if you don't take me up on my global trade initiative.
My horde of face eating cannibal monsters will wear out your taser batteries before you ever manage to subdue them.

Do I have to read that entire article?

Take at look at the World Trade Organization.
en.wikipedia.org...

So they have over the years struggled to mediate between trading nations and have made progress in some small way, well the SCO can do what they have done in their entire existence, in a frickin day.

Why?

Well you are dealing with bullies, who will listen, but really do not want to play fair at all. ONLY when they have no options would they obey ANY set of laws.

Laws for the rich and laws for the poor in America.

In America winning is everything. Yet who on earth would want to live there???

Oh I am a supporter of the SCO because I spent years building it. Absolute power corrupts absolutely as they say. I knew that.

But when people finish arguing over this line in the sand, maybe we can embark on a venture together.
And it is not going to be a whole world enterprise. Its a small enterprise in the eyes of the world and world commerce.
But in that zone (an isolated trade network based on hubs situated across the globe) we can test new ideas and we can try some free trade initiatives and we can try different methods of trade and commerce. Modern ideas. Scientific ideas.
I just don't see why we can't agree to at least do that.

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So how do I know, this system we are proposing will not end up as the entire world? Because it is law abiding.

The SCO is law abiding. America is in no way law abiding. They release viruses to make you get virus checkers and then they use them to know all about you, then they threaten their citizens daily on TV and have them all living in a state of fear of prosecution for looking at dirty pictures. And they use their spying to support their monopolies.
And their military is controlled through the same means.

So the SCO wants to let trade happen freely, and they want to protect their own citizens from what they and all the philosophers who ever lived, say is bad. Now I live in that swampland of a degenerate society and like the rest I am used to it. I am used to it when I catch Rogers stealing from me through my cell phone and I try to file a complaint.
Well good luck.
You can take to the streets and go no where. Yes you have the right to protest and they have the right to ignore you and they do. And who can you blame individually, when they have corrupted the entire system of justice and everyone even closely associated with it?

When they took Microsoft to court, they just loaded up the supreme court. When Washington State sued Microsoft, a huge amount, they were pulling in 10 times that amount every day and ignored the law completely.

So, its no wonder that Microsoft is not welcome in most places in the world.

Google seems to be embraced by many. Open source. I remember when Microsoft said they were going to let the courts see their code. Well as if they could understand it if they did, but of course they never did.
Nor the people. Its a losing battle so when the people lose, well geeze people you lost.

Now its time for someone else to try to defend you since you are nothing more than prisoners in your own homes right now.
And the way to do that is through economic pressure.
You can use tasers but they probably aren't human enough to feel it.

Whats my point? The SCO is not the big bad wolf. America is in China, doing tons and tons of business daily, getting goods manufactured. They sell products in America on-line that they buy form China and mark up.

But you can't.

Trade is something that the privileged few are allowed to embark on in a big way and the rest you just have to take your chances.
Big companies like to control trade. Well that old boys club mentality is dying of old age.

China would ship things quickly, if they could get their stuff quickly through customs.

You want to bet some companies can just fly their stuff through without going through customs.

Would Turkey be better off in the SCO? Absolutely. But they are part of NATO. SO they are stuck in the middle.

The US has no business in Syria. Arabs have been doing some investing in housing and there is Russia, and various other good neighbors like Iran, who has sworn to continue to assist Syria in any way they can.

Sounds like an SCO country to me.

So why fight over what is obvious?

But the SCO is not the only organization in the world, China and Russia are part of the G20 and the IMF and the UN.
We can all work together providing we are doing something that is mutually beneficial.

But America has to address its weaknesses and today, Microsoft as a global company mending fences and building bridges does not look feasible. They are too tied in with intel, which is why they have that monopoly and why they have maintained it, even against the American system of justice, against the states in the union itself, and against Europe and the rest of the world.

Its one of Americas biggest sucker punches. Take away Microsoft, and you untie your hands from behind your back. Well, they don't want that.

There are trade issues that need to be worked out. And I suggest that if we build this trade network, we do not impose such companies as Microsoft on anyone.