The American People Are Angry!

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by HangTheTraitors

 

Most people are not professional liars, crooks, and scum bags. Sorry, but thats not me, and definitely not most members here at ATS. Are YOU are like them? Is that what you are saying?

More than half of this nation supports wealth redistribution and will gladly tell lies to sell it. There are far more crooks and liars than you are willing to acknowledge. We will never be able to effectively confront the enemy if we cannot even confront ourselves.

Interesting to note that out of all I have written in this thread, you conflated the ambitious politicians and bureaucrats with We the People, willfully ignoring the fact that I have accused you and everyone else of abdicating their inherit political power. What was that, honesty?

Your statement was a gross inaccuracy and I felt the need to call you out on it and question such a statement.

We the people having "Political power" you say? OH, you mean the power to select the LESSER devil politician from one of our two scum-bag parties??? The devils who are HAND-SELECTED by the PUPPET-MASTERS before election time?? Yea, thats some real power there, eh? And lets not get into the OVERWHELMING evidence of rigging of votes when someone other than a PUPPET is running...

So again, my question is: are YOU like THEM? Or, ARE you THEM...?

Care to answer that one?

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Interesting to note that out of all I have written in this thread, you conflated the ambitious politicians and bureaucrats with We the People, willfully ignoring the fact that I have accused you and everyone else of abdicating their inherit political power. What was that, honesty?

That inherent political power just doesn't exist. Maybe once upon a time when all white males were created equal and had about the same amount of ownership over things comparably, but not now.

If you think it does then you are living in a gated fantasy world.

reply to post by HangTheTraitors

Your statement was a gross inaccuracy and I felt the need to question it. Political power? You mean the power to select the LESSER devil politicians??

Is that right? "Gross inaccuracy? Since you've clearly ignored my firm dismissal of voting having any meaning, how are we to trust you accurately read my statement?

Here you go, laughing boy:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

~Preamble to the Constitution for the United States of America~

SECTION 1. All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for their protection, security, and benefit, and they have the right to alter or reform it when the public good may require.

California Constitution Article II

Section 1. All political power of this State is inherent in the people and the responsibility for the exercise thereof rests with the people. All government is founded on this authority.

Hawaii Constitution Article I

SECTION 2. POLITICAL POWER INHERENT IN THE PEOPLE. All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for their equal protection and benefit, and they have the right to alter, reform or abolish the same whenever they may deem it necessary; and no special privileges or immunities shall ever be granted that may not be altered, revoked, or repealed by the legislature.

Idaho Constitution Article I

All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.

Texas Constitution Article I

This is just a sampling of state, after state, after state Constitutions that make clear who holds the inherent political power, and as I've stated, and as you with your silly little laughing emoticons have tragically illustrated, We the People have abdicated that power, and far too many of them are like you who have abdicated the power so they can whine about who has the power. Keep laughing laughing boy.

reply to post by RSF77

That inherent political power just doesn't exist.

Speak for yourself and surrender to the proper authorities. I can't use your surrender, and I most certainly will not surrender my inherent political power.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Originally posted by TechUnique
Its about time for an overthrow no?

No! Who the hell would we be overthrowing? Ourselves? The problem isn't that this country has been usurped, of which it has, the real problem is that those who hold the inherent political power have abdicated that power.

It is not us against them we are them!

How many of us have been taught that we are free because we get to elect our leaders? How many of us have been taught that we live in a democracy? How many of us have been taught that all we can do is vote, and then the rest is up to them? We are them!

This is our nation! You as an individual, I as an individual, and ever single individual within the United States, of sound body, mind, and age, has a responsibility to do far more than vote. We are all endowed with unalienable rights and we cannot sit back and hope ambitious politicians and ambitious bureaucrats will protect those rights, we have to protect our own rights. We have to protect the rights of our loved ones, our friends and neighbors and we certainly cannot do that by voting.

We also, most certainly cannot do that by going along to get along. We have long since past the point of getting along, and those ambitious politicians, those ambitious bureaucrats have discovered that they can trample all over our rights just as long as they keep us divided. So, We the People have bought into Democrats and Republicans, Left and Right, we have taken our side and railed against the other side, but if we are all freedom loving individuals who cherish our rights then the only other side are the sycophants of tyranny, and we need not overthrow those sycophants and tyrants, we merely need to refuse to acquiesce to their tyranny.

The ambitious politicians and ambitious bureaucrats would love to see a violent revolution in this nation. That they could easily quell. What these petty tyrants and their sycophants cannot quell is peaceful revolution. They cannot quell non-acquiescence.

So, you can keep voting. You can keep getting licenses to make sure you've obtained permission from the petty tyrants to exercise a right, you can keep paying taxes for something your are most likely not even liable for to begin with, or you can stand tall and refuse to acquiesce to licensing schemes and tax schemes that are antithetical to freedom, and if you cannot find the temerity to do something as simple and peaceful as that, then what in God's name makes you think you could pull off an overthrow?

Well good luck with that. In my opinion its either reformist socialism or anarchism. (The latter probably being less realistic than the former..)

Many will disagree with me, I'm not even in America so I probably shouldn't even comment due to lack of knowledge or experience of your country!

Good post by the way!

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by HangTheTraitors

 

Your statement was a gross inaccuracy and I felt the need to question it. Political power? You mean the power to select the LESSER devil politicians??

Is that right? "Gross inaccuracy? Since you've clearly ignored my firm dismissal of voting having any meaning, how are we to trust you accurately read my statement?

Here you go, laughing boy:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

~Preamble to the Constitution for the United States of America~

SECTION 1. All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for their protection, security, and benefit, and they have the right to alter or reform it when the public good may require.

California Constitution Article II

Section 1. All political power of this State is inherent in the people and the responsibility for the exercise thereof rests with the people. All government is founded on this authority.

Hawaii Constitution Article I

SECTION 2. POLITICAL POWER INHERENT IN THE PEOPLE. All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for their equal protection and benefit, and they have the right to alter, reform or abolish the same whenever they may deem it necessary; and no special privileges or immunities shall ever be granted that may not be altered, revoked, or repealed by the legislature.

Idaho Constitution Article I

All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.

Texas Constitution Article I

This is just a sampling of state, after state, after state Constitutions that make clear who holds the inherent political power, and as I've stated, and as you with your silly little laughing emoticons have tragically illustrated, We the People have abdicated that power, and far too many of them are like you who have abdicated the power so they can whine about who has the power. Keep laughing laughing boy.

So what you posted means that is the whole TRUTH of the matter? It is WRITTEN, so its all true, right? WOW!!!!!!!!!!

Do you also believe everything you hear in the mainstream media too?

So that proves it to be all true, eh? Well, if it makes you sleep better at night. But myself, and the other thinkers here on ATS know better than that.

We The People are being SCREWED by traitors who have taken the wheel of this country. Despite what words you posted, the truth is the truth. We The People are being SCREWED and we have no real choice in the matter.

Our founding fathers are ROLLING in their GRAVES right now.

reply to post by HangTheTraitors


Your user name must be sarcasm, and you understand that if we were to hang the traitors, you'd be swinging on a rope along with the rest.

Surrender your inherent political power and try to convince the free that you haven't done so because of what you've read in the main stream media. Make fun of Constitutions and the principles of law behind them. It's all really hysterical while you cry and whine about how "they" are screwing you, but for God's sakes don't even consider pulling up your pants and stop bending over. That would be too much to consider.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by RSF77

 

That inherent political power just doesn't exist.

Speak for yourself and surrender to the proper authorities. I can't use your surrender, and I most certainly will not surrender my inherent political power.

Who ever said I was talking about me? I wasn't. What the hell are you even talking about "surrender to the proper authorities?" Did I commit some crime because I'm calling out your bs?

Why don't you go down to east St Louis and tell some of the folks there that they have inherent political pull, they'll laugh you out of the neighborhood. What you are trying to say isn't reality.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by HangTheTraitors

 

Your user name must be sarcasm, and you understand that if we were to hang the traitors, you'd be swinging on a rope along with the rest.

Surrender your inherent political power and try to convince the free that you haven't done so because of what you've read in the main stream media. Make fun of Constitutions and the principles of law behind them. It's all really hysterical while you cry and whine about how "they" are screwing you, but for God's sakes don't even consider pulling up your pants and stop bending over. That would be too much to consider.

I am ALL for the Constitution, 100%. And I am all for those that abide by it 100%. Despite what is written or spoken and what you hear and the "words" that you posted, the truth is that our politicians are not abiding by the Constitution at all. Their actions make that clear. They are nothing but traitors that is why We The People are PISSED off and why our disapproval rate of these traitors are higher than ever. The MAJORITY of WE The People do NOT approve of THEM.

We are NOT them. You suggested that we here are and that is a LIE. Do you GET THAT? You still havent answered the question of whether YOU are like THEM as you inaccurately claim that ALL of us here are.

We are NOT them. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe YOU are though...

edit on 30-6-2012 by HangTheTraitors because: (no reason given)

At some point in time maybe we should cool our jets and talk about how we might USE our inherent powers in a positive way.

I'll throw out an idea to get the ball rolling ~

Disincorporate our towns and cities. Throw the corporate city managers the he!! out the door and let the ELECTED Mayors do their jobs.

www.showmedaily.org...

reply to post by RSF77

Who ever said I was talking about me? I wasn't. What the hell are you even talking about "surrender to the proper authorities?"

Just who the hell were you talking about with this remark?

That inherent political power just doesn't exist. Maybe once upon a time when all white males were created equal and had about the same amount of ownership over things comparably, but not now.

Did you mean it doesn't exist for everyone else but you?

Why don't you go down to east St Louis and tell some of the folks there that they have inherent political pull, they'll laugh you out of the neighborhood.

I don't have to go down to East St. Louis, do I? I have laughing boy right here in this thread doing that. Isn't it nice that you two can wring your hands as you do and resent how I place the responsibility squarely on your shoulders and you'll fight to shake that responsibility off, you just won't fight for your rights.

Sigh.

reply to post by HangTheTraitors

I am ALL for the Constitution, 100%.

Sure you are. That's why you dismissed every single one I quoted, because you're "ALL for (them) 100%"

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


Yea okay, become a delegate one year, then come back and tell me about your inherent political power.

Come back and post about what you've learned about our republic and an individuals political pull.

the american people are confused, and the politicians are trying to make them angry

so they can get THEIR agenda thru congress

you watch

this will lead to more voodoo economics, more tax breaks for the wealthy

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by HangTheTraitors

 

I am ALL for the Constitution, 100%.

Sure you are. That's why you dismissed every single one I quoted, because you're "ALL for (them) 100%"

Thought you were smarter than this. Nothing was dismissed by ME, I am saying that it is [color=gold]DISMISSED by our TRAITOR politicians. THEY are traitors who dont abide by those WORDS whether the words exist or not they DONT honor them at all. They CLAIM to honor it, but they dont because their ACTIONS suggest otherwise.

The "WORDS" do exist, but our traitor politicians [color=gold]would wipe their AZZES with it for a dollar. They sold us out and are ignoring OUR Constitution every single day. [color=gold]If WE are THEM, then WHY does the HUGE MAJORITY DISAPPROVE of THEM???? WE do not wish to see our country sold out and our Constitution trampled underfoot by them.

See, your problem is that you must FIRST get the thought out of your head that WE are THEM. Because we are NOT.

Just because those "WORDS" are WRITTEN, doesnt mean that it is in effect. I and the HUGE MAJORITY of Americans are angry because these TRAITORS are completely ignoring our Constitution and selling this country out. The WORDS exist, but that doesnt mean THEY go by it. Dont you GET IT??

SIGH!!

Originally posted by RSF77
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

Yea okay, become a delegate one year, then come back and tell me about your inherent political power.

Come back and post about what you've learned about our republic and an individuals political pull.

Jesus Christ! How can you keep ignoring what I am saying in order to fight for your right to be weak? Why would I, who insists that voting has nothing to do with freedom, want to become a delegate?

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
the american people are confused, and the politicians are trying to make them angry

AT EACH OTHER

so they can get THEIR agenda thru congress

you watch

and see how well it works. You don't have to go any further than this thread.

Bernie is an avowed Socialist or Communst or some such nonsense & doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Now I would respect these guys more if instead of attacking "Wall Street" they attack the real problem the Private "Federal Reserve Bank" but none of these jackass's are going there & thus nothing will get solved!

Peace

Originally posted by BABYBULL24
Bernie is an avowed Socialist or Communst or some such nonsense & doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Now I would respect these guys more if instead of attacking "Wall Street" they attack the real problem the Private "Federal Reserve Bank" but none of these jackass's are going there & thus nothing will get solved!

Peace

Well, at least he's attacking someone who is responsible in some way for the shape of things. Too bad he doesn't attack who you would like but at least he's out there fighting for something. And BTW, he does throw a few barbs at the Fed in there.

For this he deserves at least a modicum of respect and perhaps even a thank you IMO.

Peace

reply to post by RSF77


You are right. It's a war of attrition and tyrants have always used social inertia to their advantage. The boiling frog.

Jean Paul was very eloquent (as usual), and I agree with his line of reasoning, but only up to a point. The collective "we" of American citizenry did fall asleep at the wheel, and in principle, the proper thing to do is collectively get our act together and reassert our rights peacefully. In practice, however, that isn't how it goes, as history has shown time and again.

I do disagree strongly with Jean Paul's suggestion that we, as individuals, must hang our heads in shame for the actions (or non-actions) of the collective. This has been a long descent into feudalism.

James Otis and Sam Adams were among the "warrior poets" of the American Revolution, but they knew perfectly well that the pen and silver tongue were only the means to get just enough people in the mood for action, and trusting that the rest would follow once things got going. They didn't achieve that by browbeating their audiences with blame and futility.

There's hope for us yet, I believe.