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Originally posted by b3l13v3
reply to post by stormson
as for freemasonrys god, it is the god of all people.
So if the universe is my god am I still allowed to join the freemasons?
Originally posted by 0mage
reply to post by stormson
yep.. creating left automatically creates right. creating east automatically creates west. whether intentionally or unintentionally.. neither can exist without the other.
so good cannot exist without evil.
to get closer to your roots and closer to truth u have to simply supersede the dualistic nature which is a characteristic of the spirit/soul. it is neither good nor evil.. it exists! somewhere in the middle of good and evil. it is both good and evil.. yet neither!
Originally posted by protocolsoflove
Originally posted by 0mage
Originally posted by protocolsoflove
reply to post by 0mage
I'm sorry I can't get through your religious thesis because I cannot seem to understand your internet abbreviations. Seems like you had some deep thoughts going.
Is this not what Christ was teaching? For man to recognize that as souls on the material plane we are all sinners by default? Cayce said that every thought is a THING and no man can escape the brief evil thought.
I don't know what this has to do with Satan/lucifer/god being some sort of trinity thought. We're talking about polarized spiritual forces and not the spirits themselves.
The Holy Trinity is very simple
It is formed out of the true universal law
one thing.. when joined with its perfectly equal opposite will create a 3rd thing!
one man joins with his opposite (a woman) and a child is born. the man and woman still exist and a new entity was created.
so what the Holy Trinity symbology wishes to convey is that 2 equal opposites must come together.
in the case of a woman and a man.. the product is a child
in the case of creativity and logic, the product is your eternal soul!
it is the law of opposites and it is a universal truth. They must be equal opposites other wise a man and horse could mate etc.
Yes but the woman and man are not the "same thing". They are two different entities whose souls meet and produce an offspring out of love. In a trinity, three entities are the same eternal God. The concept of the trinity is not something that can be arbitrarily applied to the laws of nature. The eternal soul was not created out of creativity and logic. The eternal souls have been around since the beginning and were later gifted with material incarnation and free will thanks to God's love and generosity.
"masons believe in elevating ones self"
This must explain why cowans are so often looked DOWN UPON by the adepts. I'm all for wanting to be a better person. I fail to understand where secret codes, handshakes, phrases, walks, jewelry, and symbols fit in to the scheme of just wanting to be a better person.
"its also why religion is never to be discussed in the lodge."
are there any people of the now officially recognized flying spaghetti monster god religion in the masons yet? hehe just a joke.
Originally posted by stormson
God didn't create sin. He simply imbued souls with free will. The phrase "your god" is like nails on a chalkboard to me....Are you saying that the god of freemasonry is not the god of all men and women?
the moment you create a choice, you create both possible outcomes. therefore, but your god giving your progenitors a choice, s/he created both positive and negative. after all, if sin didnt exist, you would have no choice.
as for freemasonrys god, it is the god of all people. by allowing all religions, and allowing all men to worship as they see fit, and by recognizing the principles of godhood that all people and religions agree on, then it becomes greater than the personal god and developes into the ideal god.
its also why religion is never to be discussed in the lodge. the only religious things in the lodge are a holy book and prayer, both based on the predominate religion in the area. here its the bible, in india its the upanishads.
masons believe in elevating ones self, to become a better person. instead of pulling god to us, they try to become better and elevate themselves to be worthy of whichever god they worship.
Originally posted by stormson
Yes but the woman and man are not the "same thing". They are two different entities whose souls meet and produce an offspring out of love. In a trinity, three entities are the same eternal God. The concept of the trinity is not something that can be arbitrarily applied to the laws of nature. The eternal soul was not created out of creativity and logic. The eternal souls have been around since the beginning and were later gifted with material incarnation and free will thanks to God's love and generosity.
offspring out of love? what about rape victims? no love there, yet a child could be.
so your god created itself, then the angels, then our souls? where are our souls before they become flesh? heaven? if they are in heaven, then are sent to earth with the chance to fail and go to hell, isnt that just cruel? especially since far more people are going to hell according to the christian religion than will be saved.
Originally posted by 0mage
Originally posted by protocolsoflove
Originally posted by 0mage
Originally posted by protocolsoflove
reply to post by 0mage
I'm sorry I can't get through your religious thesis because I cannot seem to understand your internet abbreviations. Seems like you had some deep thoughts going.
Is this not what Christ was teaching? For man to recognize that as souls on the material plane we are all sinners by default? Cayce said that every thought is a THING and no man can escape the brief evil thought.
I don't know what this has to do with Satan/lucifer/god being some sort of trinity thought. We're talking about polarized spiritual forces and not the spirits themselves.
The Holy Trinity is very simple
It is formed out of the true universal law
one thing.. when joined with its perfectly equal opposite will create a 3rd thing!
one man joins with his opposite (a woman) and a child is born. the man and woman still exist and a new entity was created.
so what the Holy Trinity symbology wishes to convey is that 2 equal opposites must come together.
in the case of a woman and a man.. the product is a child
in the case of creativity and logic, the product is your eternal soul!
it is the law of opposites and it is a universal truth. They must be equal opposites other wise a man and horse could mate etc.
Yes but the woman and man are not the "same thing". They are two different entities whose souls meet and produce an offspring out of love. In a trinity, three entities are the same eternal God. The concept of the trinity is not something that can be arbitrarily applied to the laws of nature. The eternal soul was not created out of creativity and logic. The eternal souls have been around since the beginning and were later gifted with material incarnation and free will thanks to God's love and generosity.
uhh no dude. that's not the way it works. you have to earn your soul. just like a caterpillar must do certain things in preparation for becoming a butterfly including incubate in their cuccoon. Many caterpillars do not become butterflies.
I can see ur trying to grasp the philosophy of existence but really dont have a clear picture which shows me u still exist in a state of confusion.
Once mother and father come together in the act of love and create the 3rd entity the child. All is one. One family! dont try to superimpose one unto the other because the foundational understanding is that 2 opposites must come together to create something new. This is known as progress or procreation.
have you aver seen a key unlock a key in a door? no. The door has a lock to which a specially etched key (perfectly its opposite) is used to open the door and thus give us access to another room!
It is the same concept. when you grow and unify your creative and logical brains to unity, you will achieve spiritual awareness, in which case, the door is unlocked for you to access higher realms!
Originally posted by stormson
Originally posted by HamrHeed
Originally posted by stormson
reply to post by protocolsoflove
how much do the children or parents pay for their hospital care?
Wait a second: how are you a mason if you don't believe in god?
never said i didnt believe in the gods
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by protocolsoflove
Yeah, he joined last year.
reply to post by HamrHeed
Thank you for telling me my business. I'm so glad another person knows who I said my Oath to...it's apparently not the god I said it to.
Originally posted by protocolsoflove
Originally posted by 0mage
Originally posted by protocolsoflove
Originally posted by 0mage
Originally posted by protocolsoflove
reply to post by 0mage
I'm sorry I can't get through your religious thesis because I cannot seem to understand your internet abbreviations. Seems like you had some deep thoughts going.
Is this not what Christ was teaching? For man to recognize that as souls on the material plane we are all sinners by default? Cayce said that every thought is a THING and no man can escape the brief evil thought.
I don't know what this has to do with Satan/lucifer/god being some sort of trinity thought. We're talking about polarized spiritual forces and not the spirits themselves.
The Holy Trinity is very simple
It is formed out of the true universal law
one thing.. when joined with its perfectly equal opposite will create a 3rd thing!
one man joins with his opposite (a woman) and a child is born. the man and woman still exist and a new entity was created.
so what the Holy Trinity symbology wishes to convey is that 2 equal opposites must come together.
in the case of a woman and a man.. the product is a child
in the case of creativity and logic, the product is your eternal soul!
it is the law of opposites and it is a universal truth. They must be equal opposites other wise a man and horse could mate etc.
Yes but the woman and man are not the "same thing". They are two different entities whose souls meet and produce an offspring out of love. In a trinity, three entities are the same eternal God. The concept of the trinity is not something that can be arbitrarily applied to the laws of nature. The eternal soul was not created out of creativity and logic. The eternal souls have been around since the beginning and were later gifted with material incarnation and free will thanks to God's love and generosity.
uhh no dude. that's not the way it works. you have to earn your soul. just like a caterpillar must do certain things in preparation for becoming a butterfly including incubate in their cuccoon. Many caterpillars do not become butterflies.
I can see ur trying to grasp the philosophy of existence but really dont have a clear picture which shows me u still exist in a state of confusion.
Once mother and father come together in the act of love and create the 3rd entity the child. All is one. One family! dont try to superimpose one unto the other because the foundational understanding is that 2 opposites must come together to create something new. This is known as progress or procreation.
have you aver seen a key unlock a key in a door? no. The door has a lock to which a specially etched key (perfectly its opposite) is used to open the door and thus give us access to another room!
It is the same concept. when you grow and unify your creative and logical brains to unity, you will achieve spiritual awareness, in which case, the door is unlocked for you to access higher realms!
No no no...I don't know where you are getting this stuff from.
“Q: Mr. Cayce, what is the soul of a body? A: That which the Maker gave to every entity or individual in the beginning, and which is seeking the home again or place of the Maker. All souls were created in the beginning, and are finding their way back to whence they came. Q: Where does the soul go when fully developed? A: To its Maker.”
Originally posted by HamrHeed
Originally posted by stormson
Originally posted by HamrHeed
Originally posted by stormson
reply to post by protocolsoflove
how much do the children or parents pay for their hospital care?
Wait a second: how are you a mason if you don't believe in god?
never said i didnt believe in the gods
Uhh.. which gods if you don't mind me asking
Originally posted by stormson
Originally posted by HamrHeed
Originally posted by stormson
Originally posted by HamrHeed
Originally posted by stormson
reply to post by protocolsoflove
how much do the children or parents pay for their hospital care?
Wait a second: how are you a mason if you don't believe in god?
never said i didnt believe in the gods
Uhh.. which gods if you don't mind me asking
i believe in a transcendent god. since that god is transcendent, the people created a mask for it based on their own culture and enviroment. every god thats been worshipped is just a mask in order to understand the transcendent. i worship several aspects of the transcendent, knowing its just a mask that i can understand. its called "soft polytheism". "hard polytheism" is the belief that each individual god (odin, zeus, etc) are actual seperate entities.
Originally posted by stormson
reply to post by 0mage
what you said about "youre a soul that has a body" reminds me of the bagavadgita.
i take it one step further. if youre braindead, your soul has already left your body. i believe that conscienceness is the soul. if you have no conscience awareness of yourself, you have no soul.
this idea has dire consequences as it means children that havent reached the age of ascention, the age they know they exist and can grasp the concept of death, dont really have a soul (or perhaps a dormant one). till that age, they are equal to animals. its that spark of consciousness that makes us human.
however, it also means that anything that is self aware has a soul. so if one day we find out that elephants, dolphins, and the higher apes are self-aware, then they have a soul and should be protected.
Originally posted by protocolsoflove
reply to post by stormson
"till now i didnt know that you worship cayce. " yet another thing that you know is a lie yet you say it anyways.
i love hearing masons publicly define lucifer because it's always something i haven't heard before....