Pet Dogs Arrested in Iran

Originally posted by Auricom
reply to post by Germanicus

 

Can you make a more idiotic statement about dogs? I mean seriously? They also TORTURE dogs in China because they 'believe' it makes it tastier to eat. Is that the kind of culture your condoning? While I agree it's within a countries right to make their own laws, follow their own culture, torturing animals should never be accepted.

What Iran is doing is honestly OK with me. If they don't believe in dog ownership, it's their right no matter how stupid I believe it to be. However, I do feel like they could be focusing on more important matters instead of who owns what and how people go dressed in public.

In the post you are responding to I said that I agree that dogs are unclean. I dont think thats idiotic at all. And yes,I could make a far more idiotic statement about them since saying they are unclean is true. They have worms you know.Edit-yes I know,cats have worms too. I find dogs to be dirty though. You can keep them clean but still. I hate to see people allowing dogs to lick their faces when you know they have been liking their butt. And most people dont wash their hands after they pet them. Many allow them indoors. Many even sleep with them. Its gross.

And if Chinese want to eat dogs or whale,thats up to them. Have you ever seen video of an abattoir? Its enough to make you sick watching how the cows are treated in alot of those places. Do you condone that?

And yes,I agree,its their right.And I dont like to see high and mighty westerners demonizing Iran is all. Plus I agree that dogs are dirty. Sorry you find that to be idiotic and upsetting.

reply to post by ollncasino


I guess it may be custom over there, I know it is not custom here.
Either way it does not affect me and I have no business telling someone else how best to live.
I see this story as propaganda, and you do not.
I will not argue the point as I'm sure you are set in your ideas, as well as I am.
But I have given my opinion and others who might be swayed by my reasoning may do with it what they will.

reply to post by Germanicus


1. not all dogs have worms(generalizing)

2. Not all dogs are dirty

3. I totally agree that demonizing Iran is not okay, and is exactly what the MSM want us to do.

4. Cows do not demonstrate a broad range of emotions like dogs, and are usually "more instinctual". That doesn't mean I condone the current treatment of cows or chickens.

Originally posted by Renegade2283
So do cultures that treat women like possessions have the right to eat their women? Consistency please.

I agree with you that the thought of someone eating a dog is a terrible thought.

Originally posted by Renegade2283
reply to post by Germanicus

 

1. not all dogs have worms(generalizing)

2. Not all dogs are dirty

3. I totally agree that demonizing Iran is not okay, and is exactly what the MSM want us to do.

4. Cows do not demonstrate a broad range of emotions like dogs, and are usually "more instinctual". That doesn't mean I condone the current treatment of cows or chickens.

I knew you would say that. Like I said,dogs are dirty but worse than the dog is the dog owner. I was just editing my post while you wrote this. And like I said,dogs should not come indoors. People should pay more attention to washing their hands after touching dogs and people that allow dogs to lick their faces and even sleep with them are gross in my opinion. Maybe Im being hard on the dirty dogs. Its some of the filthy dog owners I have the real problem with.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Renegade2283
So do cultures that treat women like possessions have the right to eat their women? Consistency please.

I agree with you that the thought of someone eating a dog is a terrible thought.

I know you do. But you said they had the right to eat dogs. I say they do not. I already know what people are gonna say "well you cant do anything about". And I say, I think I could make dent. Though it would be a sacrifice that would ruin future, more important plans.

reply to post by Germanicus



Decent and maintained abattoirs are kept to standards that should they fail to keep, they are penalised. Such is the case recently, a person took a hidden camera to abattoirs in Indonesia and filmed how they slaughtered the animals WE exported. The export was halted until things changed. It caused an outcry from both the Indonesia and the farmers here, but that is what happened.

Now, compare that to hanging a dog up by the throat, using a blow torch to burn all of it's fur off while alive, then slowly boiling it in a pot.... alive. Have you seen that? Dogs like the sort you get to watch in kids movies.. scruffy things. meh.

Food for them, sure... as if they do not have enough food already. It's just barbarism.

And they do the same with cats. In a cage, alive, meowing, blow torch to the body to burn the fur off and then I do not bother to look any more.

No standards, no restrictions....

No way will I ever accept that in this day and age in countries that are producing enough food for all, they need to have a menu of dog, cat, monkey, dolphin or whale.

I understand we eat cows and pigs. Well I don't eat pig. I don't consider my desire for the taste of it more important than it's right to exist free of being treated as nothing more than fodder for humans. I don't place that much importance on humans. Just because we have the ability to eat everything does not mean we should.

I am not a hypocrite however, and unlike many people who tend to rally up to threads with the "what about abattoirs!!!!" argument, I'd be willing to slaughter my own animal, knowing that I took it's life to sustain my own.

How many people who sit at their computer and scoff down macdonalds or hungry jacks, would be willing to go out the back and slaughter an animal they've raised from a calf.

Kudos to those who would and do. But mass production of the meat industry has removed that aspect of our diets. And I think if more people were forced to take that blade and quickly slaughter that animal, you'd get a lot more carrot eaters around.

Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by Renegade2283
reply to post by Germanicus

 

1. not all dogs have worms(generalizing)

2. Not all dogs are dirty

3. I totally agree that demonizing Iran is not okay, and is exactly what the MSM want us to do.

4. Cows do not demonstrate a broad range of emotions like dogs, and are usually "more instinctual". That doesn't mean I condone the current treatment of cows or chickens.

I knew you would say that. Like I said,dogs are dirty but worse than the dog is the dog owner. I was just editing my post while you wrote this. And like I said,dogs should not come indoors. People should pay more attention to washing their hands after touching dogs and people that allow dogs to lick their faces and even sleep with them are gross in my opinion. Maybe Im being hard on the dirty dogs. Its some of the filthy dog owners I have the real problem with.

1. Dogs mouths are cleaner than humans

2. I definitely think that people should not be as paranoid about washing their hands. In fact being so paranoid could be detrimental to your health. Its why children who were babied to much with germs develop weaknesses to some germs.

3. You sound like a Nazi talking about a jew when you speek of dogs. Like if you just replaced dog with jew, you are totally a dog Nazi

reply to post by mainidh


I read an article about how the Chinese eat boiled eggs that are soaked in the urine of young boys. Its up to them. If they want to do that then so be it.

And they can work it out themselves. Sanity is majority rules. Who the hell are you to dictate what is barbaric and what is not? High and mighty westerners imposing their ideas on the rest of the world must stop.

China will be in charge soon. I hope they let us westerners do the things we like,when we are such jerks about telling the world what is right and wrong.

Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by mainidh

 

I read an article about how the Chinese eat boiled eggs that are soaked in the urine of young boys. Its up to them. If they want to do that then so be it.

And they can work it out themselves. Sanity is majority rules. Who the hell are you to dictate what is barbaric and what is not? High and mighty westerners imposing their ideas on the rest of the world must stop.

China will be in charge soon. I hope they let us westerners do the things we like,when we are such jerks about telling the world what is right and wrong.

Im gonna say it one more time before I go to bed. GENERALIZING. not all Chinese people eat that. And its not because Im a westerner that I state my ideas, its because I am a conscientious, and compassionate human being. My location has a little to do with it, only because I have easy access to wide ranges of usable information that helps me become a more informed individual. And more than just the western world has access to that. Just not much of the un-industrialized world

Originally posted by Renegade2283
I know you do. But you said they had the right to eat dogs. I say they do not. I already know what people are gonna say "well you cant do anything about". And I say, I think I could make dent.

My logic?

People have a right to do anything and everything until it starts to infringe on another person's rights.

I have a right to play music very loud. My neighbours have a right to peacefully enjoy their apartment without listening to my music.

Are religious police infringing on people's rights by seizing dogs? Clearly they are.

Are people infringing on someone else's rights by eating a cow, horse or dog they own? I would say no.

I still don't like the thought of people eating dogs. I don't however feel I have the right to stop what other people do unless their rights starts to infringe on other peoples' rights.

So sadly, my love for dogs does not supercede my belief in liberty.

I'm open to being persuaded however.

Well at least they only arrested them, in America the police usually just shoot the dogs. Oh I'm sorry, was this a strictly bash Iran only news story?

Originally posted by mainidh
Now, compare that to hanging a dog up by the throat, using a blow torch to burn all of it's fur off while alive, then slowly boiling it in a pot.... alive. Have you seen that? Dogs like the sort you get to watch in kids movies.. scruffy things. meh.

That's wrong. That should be illegal and punished very heavily.

I do know that the Chinese can be very indifferent to the suffering of animals.

reply to post by Renegade2283


No need to yell. God I cant stand when people use upper case. Its rude.

And if you think I was claiming that all Chinese eat eggs soaked in the urine of young boys then I dont know what to say. Im not generalizing at all.

I can say Australians like beer. They do for the most part,but Im not saying they all do.

Originally posted by Lord Jules
Well at least they only arrested them, in America the police usually just shoot the dogs. Oh I'm sorry, was this a strictly bash Iran only news story?

I know some Iranians and they are nice people, so you are mistaken if you think this thread is about bashing Iran.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Lord Jules
Well at least they only arrested them, in America the police usually just shoot the dogs. Oh I'm sorry, was this a strictly bash Iran only news story?

I know some Iranians and they are nice people, so you are mistaken if you think this thread is about bashing Iran.

It was sarcasm, i said news story and not thread, i know some nice american police officers but that doesn't change the facts that american police usually shoot the dogs.

if a sovereign says that a dog is not allowed you as a subject to your own nation have no right or business to ask why.

anyone who interjects interjects his own opinion on the matter.

if a person is to have a pet in america and that is something they think they have right to; personal conjectures are all that matter.

are dogs unclean in act or unclean in something else?

as a person who grew up with a dog; the cleanliness of a domestic/animal is predicated on its owner. the quote someone said earlier rings with literal wisdom; having a domestic/animal period is a chore on your own cleanliness, irregardless of how complete some of u respondents feel with your domestic/animals.

Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by mainidh

 

I read an article about how the Chinese eat boiled eggs that are soaked in the urine of young boys. Its up to them. If they want to do that then so be it.

And they can work it out themselves. Sanity is majority rules. Who the hell are you to dictate what is barbaric and what is not? High and mighty westerners imposing their ideas on the rest of the world must stop.

China will be in charge soon. I hope they let us westerners do the things we like,when we are such jerks about telling the world what is right and wrong.

Mate, after reading some of your other posts, I'm just going to say... enjoy your short stay.

You are not even worthy of a reply beyond a saynoara.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by mainidh
Now, compare that to hanging a dog up by the throat, using a blow torch to burn all of it's fur off while alive, then slowly boiling it in a pot.... alive. Have you seen that? Dogs like the sort you get to watch in kids movies.. scruffy things. meh.

That's wrong. That should be illegal and punished very heavily.

I do know that the Chinese can be very indifferent to the suffering of animals.

I know, it was sadly an experience I happened to see while perusing the ogrishforums a while back. Turned my stomach.

I also know it's not all of them, and there are organisations over there that seek to eradicate such acts. They get no where near enough world wide support in my opinion.

Ya know, I get the impression somewhere on 4chan there are a bunch of kids actively targeting ATS at the moment. So much utter garbage I've read today from people who've just joined.

And I mean more than average... but anyhoo, weeding them out one at a time, to save myself being swatted by a mod

The news story even mentions that iranians disobey the law despite the harassment, so it means they are freedom loving individuals just like in america, and just like in america the law is the problem, not the dogs.