The Fastest Growing Religion In America Is Islam

Originally posted by Down4Whateva

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine

Originally posted by Down4Whateva

Originally posted by CALGARIAN
Well in the Quran it says Mohammed will fight WITH Jesus in the end times..

Really? That's news to me.
What surrah/book and ayat/verse is that?
I have four Qurans in my home that i've been reading for almost 18years now and i'm pretty sure i've never read that.

I'm pretty sure it's an innocent mix up between imam mahdi, a descendent of Muhammad, and Muhammad himself...

??? Nope that's not true in ether case.
Also im not understanding drowned out comment.

The point is not to be drowned out.

Actually, it is true, in the correct case, which is Imam Mahdi and Jesus will be fighting together according to prophecy. What is there to be untrue?

reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

Actually, it is true, in the correct case, which is Imam Mahdi and Jesus will be fighting together according to prophecy. What is there to be untrue?

It seems you have changed your tune; it is no longer fighting against Jesus but against the Dajjal/antiChrist with Jesus.

The problem with born again "Christians" is that you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to other religions. You have an agenda and you can't abide with people having a love for their own God and faith.

The Mahdi (God's guided one) is a Shia belief and not relevant to 97% of Muslims who are Sunni. A little bit of information is a dangerous thing and I think you exemplify this maxim.

Leave the Muslim faith a lone and stick to improving your own. Your Christianity is dependent on how well you worship God and not how much you defecate on your neighbour's doorstep.

Originally posted by Down4Whateva
When people say islam isnt compatable with the western world they really mean western capitalism.

Not exactly. We women don't like to be beaten by men simply because the man is able to in Sharia law. We want our full court room rights - unlike women under Sharia law. We want to be able to leave the house without having 'morals police' use Islam as an excuse to arrest us simply because our ankles are showing. We want our kids to be able to have squirt gun fights or play with Barbie dolls and not have Islam used as an excuse to ban those things ... etc etc

Why do muslims cover their hair? So should ignorant christians

reply to post by FlyersFan

Not exactly. We women don't like to be beaten by men simply because the man is able to in Sharia law. We want our full court room rights - unlike women under Sharia law.

So are you a spokesperson on behalf of Muslim women? Perhaps you think you know what is good for them because you are a Western woman and Muslims are largely Arabs and brown people?

Maybe neither is the case and you are merely peddling an anti-Muslim agenda.

Sharia is religious law in the same way kosher regulations and rabbinical pronouncements are laws for Jews. Sharia laws are rules only applicable to practising Muslims and it is not imposed, secular law has primacy even in Muslim countries.

Historically, the Caliphates did not have a legal system with state prosecutors. Disputes were settled in front of an imam using Sharia principles and if the decision was not accepted, it was brought to another imam. Christian and Jewish minorities in Muslim lands were not subject to Sharia and they had their own religious laws.

What bothers me more than the treatment of women in Islam is the treatment of women in orthodox and extreme Judaism. Women are considered inferior and unclean in Judaism.I am not talking about atheist or Westernised Jews but about traditional Jews who forcibly shave women's hair, sexually assault them through a hole in the bed clothes because they are apparently "unclean".

Women are not chattel as some rabbis assert.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Muhammed and Jesus do NOT come from the same source. Jesus claims to be the God-Head. He is God incarnate according to Christians. Muhammed was just a human who was a thief and a murderer (it's well documented) who made up a religion by taking bits and pieces from other religions to create a new 'religion' with political control.

Jesus says 'turn the other cheek'.
Muhammed says 'kill anyone who gets in your way'.
Jesus says 'give to the poor'
Muhammed said 'let's go steal from that caravan'

Jesus and Muhammed have nothing in common. Not a single thing.

This is the most unfortunate and terrible post I had witnessed here. Worse comming from someone like you whom claimed to defend Catholicism, or just using it as tool to stir up political agendas. Haven't mankind suffered enough with religious lies and misinterpretations by stupid but greedy leaders for centuries?

1. The Messiah HAD NEVER claimed to be a god. NOT in any of the books left behind by his disciples.

2. During the Messiah's times, he was sent to guide the jews, an existing civilisation whom were already following our Creator's guidelines, but sadly misguided and astry led by mortal leaders. The hebrew nation was part of the western civilisation, and many of those there were espoused to great thinkers from greece,and thus a rudimentary form of 'civilised' set of laws were in operation for the western peoples, although still barbaric, as Rome was certainly no modern civilised USA of today.

Thus the Messiah only needed to use a softer side to convince the already better level of civilised inhabitants there, which were non-jews and convinced of a better way to live and love by him, to know our Creator better, for the truth had been denied to them.

Unfortunately, the good prophet Muhammed had a harder time to convince the eastern barbaric civilisations - Persians, medans, afghan tribesmen, normads, etc. It was a cruel land and cruelty was a way of life. Prophet Muhammed was shown the light by our common Creator, that a better, merciful and civilised way of life from our common Source is possible.

He did not start off as a army,but only by himself, then reaching out to his family,relatives and friends. As it grew, Islam became a threat to the tyrants of those days, and their response was by the sword. Prophet Muhammed had to use the same lingo that only they could understand - sword of violence.

To be able to remain standing to explaining yourself in Arabia then would already be a mercy. To offer your cheek would only be an open invitation to the vile uncouth and untutored barbarians to chop off one's head.

2. Zarkat ( tithes in islam) is the same, started by the good prophet to help the poor, just as during Moses' time, which greedy leaders had abused time and time even in this civilised era with the misuse of such funds.

The east and the west were in different stages of social developement, and there is no one size fits all solution which the Divine Teachers sent had to cope with and adapt to wisely.

Therefore, before criticizing those 2 Divine Teachers, do study on the history context of their era, or only either your ignorance or plain wilfullness to hurt and harm others show.

We had only been worshipping the same source - our common Creator, known by many names across geological barriers, cultures, time and space. The only differences are those that are man-made, to stupidly show superiority of one form of worship when there are none to be had, for under His Light, we are all one race and judged accordingly on how we make use of our free-will, to progress and evolve mankind further, or to destruct it absolutely.

Does it matter if a muslim brother stands in front of christian brother, or vice-versa while facing and worshipping our common Creator?

Only fools and the wicked at heart flawed mortals would be petty enough to find fault or squabble in such, for under Him, we are all His children and treated according to what we had done with His civilisational growth and evolution guidelines using our free will. And only He has that authority alone to judge, for He created us all, not flawed mortal men.

Originally posted by TheCoffinman

Do you know what the fastest growing religion in America is? It isn’t Christianity. According to the latest U.S. Religion Census that was just released on May 1, 2012, the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The data for the census was compiled by the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies, and the results were released by the Association of Religion Data Archives. From the year 2000 to the year 2010, the census found that the number of Muslims living inside the United States increased from 1 million to 2.6 million – a stunning increase of 66.7 percent.

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Things should get interesting down the road because a we all know, America is the most Christian of Christian nations and the 'clash of civilizations' if you will could be more violent here than in Europe. The rise of the far right in Europe is interesting... how will America react? How will you?

It's kind of a fear mongering title. There's so many Christians in the US you can't really get anymore. It's called market saturation. That means by definition something else will be the fastest growing. That doesn't mean there's a lot of it though.

The less there is of something, the easier it is to double. But next time it'll be twice as hard to double. It'll eventually find some sort of equilibrium or even start to go the other way. So the whole issue is just a bunch of hype really. It basically boils down to a statistical trick. That's the problem with using percentages in a news article.

OMG your alcohol intake has increased 100%!!!! EVERYBODY PANIC! But it's like I only had 2 beers? Yeah but that's twice as much as 1! lol. Yeah but that's like 3000% less than I drank when I was in my twenties??? See the problem.

Also, why try to scare us of Islam? It's America where you can be any religion you want.

Flyers Fan,

You know because you have had many conversations with me, that I am a Muslim women. I have no problem with following the laws of Islam, I actually want to. I am not abused in any way, by anyone, nor have I ever been. Majority Muslim women are just like me.

That said, the west has no place dictating to any Arab, Persian, or Mediterranean man or women how to live, how to dress, how to act or what to believe. How we do any of this is entirely our business, and any problems we have in our countries, are again, entirely our business. You may not agree, but again, not your business what we do in our own countries. We most certainly do not need you, or your opinion.

Every time you speak your hatred of Islam comes shining through. Please mind to your own religion and leave mine alone.

In America you believe in freedom of religion, regardless of what that religion is, there is no freedom of religion unless it is Islam clause. So if Americans come to the religion of Islam from their free choice, it is entirely their business and not yours.

Originally posted by MI5edtoDeath
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Not exactly. We women don't like to be beaten by men simply because the man is able to in Sharia law. We want our full court room rights - unlike women under Sharia law.

So are you a spokesperson on behalf of Muslim women? Perhaps you think you know what is good for them because you are a Western woman and Muslims are largely Arabs and brown people?

:shk: NO WOMAN likes to be beaten simply because her supposedly superior spouse is allowed to vent frustrations out on her. If they like it .. they have a mental disorder. NO WOMAN wants less rights in the court room simply because she has a 'V' instead of a 'P'. If she does .. she has a problem. Beating women is not good for anyone. Period. It has nothing to do with being 'western' or not. And as far as 'brown skin' goes ... you really didn't just pull that ignorant race card did you? Yep. You have no idea what color I am or what color my family is. EPIC FAIL

reply to post by MI5edtoDeath

She also appears to be a Jew and it is no doubt it dangerous to comment on the Jewish religion in the company of Americans.

Actually, I believe FF is Catholic. So much for your search.

As for the other; yes. Americans love our fellow Americans who are Jewish, and the rest of the world would DO WELL to leave them the hell alone.

Have a good day.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
This is the most unfortunate and terrible post I had witnessed here.

Then you need to get out more.

Worse comming from someone like you ..

Oh ... blah blah blah
When it comes to you responding to my posts, you are an off topic broken record.

The Messiah HAD NEVER claimed to be a god. NOT in any of the books left behind by his disciples.

According to YOUR interpretation of Christianity.
BILLIONS of Christians around the world say otherwise.


AGAIN .. Christianity and Islam .. two very different religions. Definately NOT from the same source. To the Muslims, Christianity is pagan .. with multiple gods. To Christians, the Muslims are devoid of truth because they deny the god-head of Christ. And the two afterlifes are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Those are facts. Just learn to deal with the reality of it.

Originally posted by MI5edtoDeath
I just completed a two hour search on ATS on flyer fan.

What a funny waste of time. Do you have OCD?

She also appears to be a Jew ... .

OCD and wrong. ...

1 - Stating the truth isn't 'hate speech' ... it's just the truth.
2 - I'm not Jewish. My religious beliefs .. whatever they are at the moment .. are irrelevant.
3 - My family isn't all that 'white' either so you guys know what you can do with your race card.
4 - Truth is truth. Islam and Christianity are very different. They don't worship the same god.
They have a VERY different afterlife. If they came 'from the same source', as someone previously
said, then they'd have more in common. However ... they simply do not.

I AM NOT THE TOPIC ...
The topic is ... 'The Fastest Growing Religion in America is Islam'.
Stay on topic. Good luck with that.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I AM NOT THE TOPIC ...
The topic is ... 'The Fastest Growing Religion in America is Islam'.
Stay on topic. Good luck with that.

funny thing you cannot stay on topic, 9 posts with only one on actual topic, the rest an attempt to teach Christianity and demonize Islam.

I say you should follow your own advice. Stay on Topic. Good luck with that.

Originally posted by Jameela


That said, the west has no place dictating to any Arab, Persian, or Mediterranean man or women how to live, how to dress, how to act or what to believe. How we do any of this is entirely our business, and any problems we have in our countries, are again, entirely our business. You may not agree, but again, not your business what we do in our own countries. We most certainly do not need you, or your opinion.

And Islam has no place dictating to anyone in the west, man or woman, how to live, how to dress, how to act, or what to believe.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Jameela


That said, the west has no place dictating to any Arab, Persian, or Mediterranean man or women how to live, how to dress, how to act or what to believe. How we do any of this is entirely our business, and any problems we have in our countries, are again, entirely our business. You may not agree, but again, not your business what we do in our own countries. We most certainly do not need you, or your opinion.

And Islam has no place dictating to anyone in the west, man or woman, how to live, how to dress, how to act, or what to believe.

We dont.

All Americans are equal , aren't they ?

Islam will only get stronger in America and this growth will be in America's interest too .

Originally posted by Jameela

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Jameela


That said, the west has no place dictating to any Arab, Persian, or Mediterranean man or women how to live, how to dress, how to act or what to believe. How we do any of this is entirely our business, and any problems we have in our countries, are again, entirely our business. You may not agree, but again, not your business what we do in our own countries. We most certainly do not need you, or your opinion.

And Islam has no place dictating to anyone in the west, man or woman, how to live, how to dress, how to act, or what to believe.

We dont.

The Australian Muslim push for broad acceptance of sharia has not occurred in a vacuum, however. In North America, U.S. and Canadian Muslim organizations and leaders likewise advocate for adaptation of sharia laws in as many venues as possible.

www.americanthinker.com...

*cough*

Um, with all due respect, ma'am; bull-poop!

Originally posted by Jameela
I am a Muslim women. I have no problem with following the laws of Islam, I actually want to.

I'm sure that not all the women in the Islamic world are just fine and dandy with being treated as worse than second class citizens in the name of Islam. Not having full rights in courts of law. Not being able to leave their homes without a male family member escort. Many are not allowed to go to school or learn to read. Many can't drive cars. All because of the interpretation of Islam in those areas.

Every time you speak your hatred of Islam comes shining through.

So what? I'm allowed to hate something that appears to be ignorant.
I don't hate muslims. But I feel bad for them.
And my feelings are IRRELEVANT to the discussion.

Please mind to your own religion and leave mine alone.

This is a discussion thread about religion. The comment was made about Islam and Christianity coming from the same source. I have shown that they do not. If you can't handle that truth and you can't handle that this is a discussion forum and that sometimes the facts will come out that you don't like ... then don't read the thread. It's just that simple.

Originally posted by Jameela
funny thing you cannot stay on topic, 9 posts with only one on actual topic,

Wrong. Everything I have posted is on topic. Too bad you can't say the same.

the rest an attempt to teach Christianity and demonize Islam.

Wrong. The statement was made that Christianity and Islam come from the same source.
I have shown that it does not. That is definately ON TOPIC.

Again .. I am not the topic. How about you try to stay on it? Good luck with that.

Originally posted by beezzer

We dont.

The Australian Muslim push for broad acceptance of sharia has not occurred in a vacuum, however. In North America, U.S. and Canadian Muslim organizations and leaders likewise advocate for adaptation of sharia laws in as many venues as possible.

www.americanthinker.com...

*cough*

Um, with all due respect, ma'am; bull-poop!




With all due respect sir... please do not cuss

What the Jewish community has the ability to do in the United States in regards to their own civil matters is explained thus by a Rabbi:

Despite everything I have said until now, there is at least one area where Jewish courts function on a daily on-going basis and that is in the area of Jewish divorce. Even though we are required by law to obtain a divorce in our civil courts in Johnson or Jackson County, we are also mandated by Jewish Law to obtain a Jewish divorce. We have Jewish courts that deal with that area of our tradition.

Similarly, one has the right in this country to settle civil matters without going into an American court in most cases.

For example, if there is a disagreement between partners, even if there are legal partnership documents drawn, they have the right to go to a Jewish court to settle whatever differences they may have. The Jewish court probably would require that those partners agree at the outset that whatever judgment is rendered by that court will not be appealed to a civil court or the whole trial process will have been in vain. Such a court (and there are a number of them functioning in major Jewish cities like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and Miami) will adjudicate matters of civil laws brought before them according to Jewish Law. The process is quicker than in civil American courts and I will add that the civil courts of this country are all too happy not to have more cases come on their docket.www.kcjc.com...:ask-the-rabbi&catid=903pinion&Itemid=2

What Muslims have asked for is the ability to settle our civil matters in like manner, so that those who are Muslim have the right to follow our own religious laws in matters not criminal. This is something that in the United States as well as other countries Jews are allowed the right to do. Why is it so difficult to extend the same consideration to practicing Muslims in your country?