Ron Paul will destroy us all!

reply to post by MsAphrodite


So we must take care to be stern, but considerate as most of those (flailing) people are kind and gentle when their pride is removed from them. As our society falters by it's own decay and that also quickened by the Liberty movement, we must pull together even those who are blinded by the division that has taken root within them.

Please, all, simply consider; Understand your needs, and have enough for yourself and for as many more as you are able, but be sure to dispense the blessings outward again or you will likely be "swallowed up" in more ways than one.

Originally posted by Dasher
reply to post by Eavel

 

I am unsure of what you thought/are thinking.
It is true that we live in a fascist federal system. It is ruled by those with money and influence.
The Liberty movement will move us away from that and into a system which is far more fragmented and fragile (for a time). If we foster "good" and become diligent and civil, we will continue heading towards Liberty. If we relent, we will return to the fascist system which we delusively live under now.

for sake of derailing this I will make this comment short and never answer another post in this thread. You obviously will not understand you had a poor choice in words.

You cannot return to something unless you were already there. We have never been there before, we are advancing there now at mach speed, but you CANNOT return to something that never existed until the present. Returning requires the PAST.

Ron Paul will not win unfortuantely for this country. i wish that was not the case and he would win, but he cant.

Peace

reply to post by TheNamesZeppelin


I appreciate the timelessness by which people like you think. But if you mature in the wisdom of such conduct and do not get sucked down into it's undertow, you will understand that the whole of the world is Babylon. If you understand that the Children of God are citizens of Zion (the Unseen and Eternal Kingdom of Truth), then you will understand that it is your duty to minister to the lost as Christ does, regardless of where or who you think you are.

reply to post by Eavel


I am certainly speaking of future things as though they have happened, but that is because I understand what occurs when one starts fires while the wind is blowing. It does not take much wisdom to realize the threat that the fiery Liberty movement is to the dry and common thinking of Imperial minds. And, to admit, I am not sure that our culture is yet ready to carry the burden that Liberty is in this world. That is why I am speaking out now.

reply to post by AliceBlackman


Thank you. Yes, I also take Dr. Paul at face value and do not think that he is seeking his own pride/good. I also agree that it is normal to lift up leaders. There is a video somewhere of Dr. Paul speaking of Israel requiring a king from Saul. It's a great video. I'd be very thankful to anyone who finds it and posts it. I am in the middle of hashing out some problems with my own work and dealing with the beginning of this thread.

reply to post by Furbs


Like Dr. Paul, I believe that the odds are certainly not in his favor to win this election cycle. But you are only concerned about the surface while a volcano is building pressure where you are unwilling to look. There are rumblings here and there and the pressure is not being released. Unless something changes, Dr. Paul has already found success by provoking the minds and hearts of the youth in our culture. I suggest that you alter your understanding of success and worth.

reply to post by Eavel


Ron Paul knows that idea's are catching and he's spreading his message to the young adults of this country, the longer he stays in the race the more people will become exposed to his ideology; that is his aim to spread the Libertarian message as an antidote to our current broken system where 50% of American's are close to or living in poverty...so status quo is obviously not working.

I believe he also has the delegate "win" in Colorado, Washington and Minnesota as well as unsurprizing Iowa

reply to post by Dasher


You are correct in your sentiments. You might get the wrong type of crowds here due to your topic title, but oh well.

I have long struggled with this argument in my mind. I've said to myself a millions times - if Ron Paul wins, and is able to enact change - will the people even be able to handle it or will they maim themselves into a stupor of depression and self pity that they are no longer babied by the state?

If Ron Paul loses and Revolution takes hold in this country, forcibly bringing about liberty and the traditional values of old - will people be able to embrace the ways of freedom in order to survive, or will the willingly cling to their old values and morals, cling to the old society of industrialism and the everywhere market and thusly lead themselves down the path of ultimate suicide?

I try to think of what transition could make it as simple as possible. The Corporate entity is an evil one that people are enslaved by and rarely ever realize. Yet they are enticed by the goods and services that such a world offers. Ease of use and great selection in the everyday products, convenience in exchange for quality, quantity in exchange for service.

I guess it is just something that people will have to face. Sometimes the only way people can change is when something forces them to. They may be content with the slavery of today and the convenience it seems to provide, but I for one can not allow their contentment equate for the cost that so many give up in liberty and equality to pay for it.

Sadly, it will be survival of the fittest, as this world has always been. You either adapt, or you move on. You accept, or you think of ways that can make the world better and you do it.

S&F. Hopefully when the Tree of Liberty does finally grow again, people will be prepared for the responsibility that comes with it.

reply to post by gwydionblack


I hear you and I agree. Most people do cause themselves to only learn the hard way.

I do not mean to alienate anyone, but I must say then; Repentant hearts don't simply apologize for what they have done wrong, they also strive to preserve what is good so that their repentance exudes from their very being.

I appreciate the notion of a "Tree of Liberty," but when the wisdom of that tree is exhausted, the only way for us to continue maturing in wisdom is to understand that the Tree of Liberty is simply one branch on the Tree of Life.

reply to post by AntiStupidPeople

He already is.

Shill.

reply to post by Star128


I agree with your heart and truth, but not your simple action. Shills or not, we are all the same race. We must set our minds and hearts on bearing one another's burdens freely or we will be wrapped up in fascism via bondage. Truly, we will have the government we deserve.

Socialism is good when dispensed by individuals and is poisonous lies when dispensed blindly by "the powers." Let us adopt the noble and gracious conduct of the Socialists while we accept the truths and consequences of natural law so that "good" can be preserved a while longer.

Originally posted by neo96
When people put all their

hopes
dreams
desires
wants

on one guy you get what you deserve really do not understand why people in this country on them pedastals.

When that "guy" is one's own self that becomes even more of a stark reality.

reply to post by AntiStupidPeople


Hi Anti... I'd like to hear what your understanding of Libertarianism is.

Am I correct in thinking your view is that since he's getting very little MSM attention there's no way he can be elected because most of the population hasn't actually been exposed to his actual ideas ?

reply to post by Eavel

the demoRats and Libtards have bought the popularity vote.

Why do some of you persist in using these silly, immature terms? Can't you just post your comment without mucking it up with nonsense like this? Contrary to popular belief, it lends nothing to your credibility.....and we've heard every alternate version of "Republican" and "Democrat" known to man.

Please stop.

reply to post by Dasher


Overall I think the current trend in the United States reduces to the reckless mantra, "Just another 60 seconds. Just another 60 seconds ... "

Great OP by the way. I don't necessarily agree with that portion of your post that points to a reduction in food production, trade imbalance, and a new conceptulation of value, but my disagreement (perhaps my misunderstanding) does nothing to diminish the class & heart your OP expresses. Primarily, that's what I wanted to recognize.

Take it easy.

reply to post by Kovenov


Thank you, so much, for the recognition and kind words.

I hope that I did not convey any sort of alarmism. My assessment and warning are based upon the weaknesses that I see in our system, not personal fear or desire. "Money" is dangerously inflated and inflating further. The common idea of "what's for dinner" is contingent on many other systems that are also inflated and/or are easily gutted in the case of any moderate societal chaos.

More so, if we each ask ourselves about what we think is valuable, we will probably think of different things than what we would have 5 or 6 years ago. I would have said microphones and digital to analog converters or audio monitors and preamps. Now, I understand my own weaknesses/needs better and realize how disconnected and, therefore, weak we are as a culture. Some say this was by the design of certain unknown and phantom leaders, but I posit that it is simply the repercussion of foolishness. The "great leaders" probably had every intention of truly building a great nation and do more good than bad, but they failed to see the invisible truths of life and now we all must pick up the pieces.

So many people live with "the end is near" mentalities, or simply ignore the notion of societal decay altogether.
But for anyone who sees, clearly, "the end" they speak of has passed, and that a long time ago.
What will we make of a new day today?
What is our hope for an unfathomable tomorrow?
Will we continue the same basic cycle that we have been trapped in for millenia or will we grow up a little?

Oddly, growing healthfully often looks like stagnation as diligence is stable and meek, and gracious judgment often looks like failure as compassionate justice is perverted by many things.

I am not trying to convince you that you should fear anything other than the honest bonds of our own imperfections and Truth itself. It is better to be ready and not needed than to be needed and not ready.

Originally posted by Dasher
reply to post by AntiStupidPeople

 

He has "lit enough brush fires" in the minds of men and women that he is probably already able to let the rest of the dominoes fall by themselves.

By brush fires, do you mean p*t smoke?

I'm sorry, but i just see that the legalization of drugs, namely the green leafy kind, as the only reason he has the youth vote.

Ron Paul can talk the talk... if people listen, sure. but he cannot walk the walk, because sometimes that walk, requires that ability to adjust when the terrain wants to plant you on your bum. Aka don't shamelessly flaunt your idea about legalizing drugs and prostitution to a conservative base, and expect to win.

reply to post by Dasher


in one word.....YES.

Sorry if that is not enough. I try and make every post count. In this case, I simply agree. Even if Paul loses, we are not going to stop. Death or redemption. Live free or die. Whatever mantra you want applies. We simply will not settle for less than what our founding fathers wanted. The people that sacrificed so much and risked it all so that somewhere on earth there would be lasting freedom. In a way, this is all a good thing. We must be reminded from time to time the value of things. We had reached a point that we placed little to no value on our civil liberties. We took them for granted.

It is also important to remind our leaders from time to time that they better do a good job and not get any bright ideas because as long as there are rocks and stones on earth, there will be the will to throw them in defiance of tyranny. We are all capable of it not getting to that point, but they should know that no fear or show of force can dissuade us from our idea of liberty.

They should know that. We should as well.

I wish the Imperial elections were open to all of us in the Empire. Ron Paul would win for sure then.

Imperial Citizen's should be thinking about the rest of us,not just yourselves.

I hope you all vote for Ron Paul so he can try to curb American Imperialism.

Do it for the rest of us.

The Imperial Election's are not just about America.

reply to post by LoonyConservative

It's not surprising that so many people misunderstand RP's views on prostitution and drugs, the media does a good job of making it sound like he thinks a brothel and dealer on every corner is a good idea. But no that is not what he is saying, he says these things should be regulated by each State, that the Constitution does not give the Federal Government the power to make these kinds of laws, only the States.

Case in point, California/New Jersey with its legal medical cannabis, where the Feds come in and raid and arrest MS sufferers and cancer patients.... now that is crazy and utterly inhumane!

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