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Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by pizzanazi75
You are completely ignoring the fact that he tried to get the police dept to arrest this rogue cop and defending the black homeless man...which exactly the opposite of the msm's account that he is violent because he shoved cop.
This new revelation of what truely happened doesn't fit the "crazy violent wanne be cop" scenario set up by the racists and msm.
And the one being denied his rights under due process...innocent until proven guilty,protectionfrom mob "justice"
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Everyone needs to take a few deep breaths and realize that the only real victim is George Zimmerman. If that mainstream media has brainwashed you to the point where you are still upset about this you have much larger problems in life.
please explain. The only victim i see here is the dead one....
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by pizzanazi75
So if somebody were to accuse you of being a pedophile, the harder you deny it, the more it must be true?
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Originally posted by Bullypulpit
And the one being denied his rights under due process...innocent until proven guilty,protectionfrom mob "justice"
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Everyone needs to take a few deep breaths and realize that the only real victim is George Zimmerman. If that mainstream media has brainwashed you to the point where you are still upset about this you have much larger problems in life.
please explain. The only victim i see here is the dead one....
Id just like to point out that 'innocent until proven guilty' only applies in a court of law. this is public opinion based on the evidence we know so no one has to give him the benefit of the doubt of 'innocent until proven guilty'
....and look at casey anthony how many people believe she is innocent? yet she has been cleared of killing her kid, but we all still judge her, OJ same thing, Louise Woodword (could be wrong on the name, nanny, shook a baby to death, covicted, and judged reduced sentence to time served.. under a year), Dr. Murry, etc.
We don't have to give Zimmerman the respect of innocent until proven guilty just like he never gave Treyvon a chance to be innocent until proven guilty.
We don't owe George Zimmerman anything...if he doesn't like that he has been 'convicted in the court of public opinion' he is free to come out and tell his side of the story and prove us all wrong. So until then.....he is guilty until proven innocent. We owe him nothing.
Originally posted by Bullypulpit
And the one being denied his rights under due process...innocent until proven guilty,protectionfrom mob "justice"
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Everyone needs to take a few deep breaths and realize that the only real victim is George Zimmerman. If that mainstream media has brainwashed you to the point where you are still upset about this you have much larger problems in life.
please explain. The only victim i see here is the dead one....
thought you quit talking to me....so let me get this straight...we don't owe Zim innocent until proven guilty because little st trey didn't get it???Can you say catch 22?Zim isn't guilty yet of anything,even shooting little st trey illegally SO YES ..he is entitled to be innocent until proven guilty...otherwise we can just go hang anybody that commits a crime we don't like.....the mob justice is the dead or alive wanted poster/reward by some bunch of racial ##SNIP## who want come out into rifle country to spew their filth..they know better
Originally posted by pizzanazi75
Originally posted by Bullypulpit
And the one being denied his rights under due process...innocent until proven guilty,protectionfrom mob "justice"
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Everyone needs to take a few deep breaths and realize that the only real victim is George Zimmerman. If that mainstream media has brainwashed you to the point where you are still upset about this you have much larger problems in life.
please explain. The only victim i see here is the dead one....
there has been no 'mob justice'.....he is still free and walking....where is this 'mob justice' you speak of?
Leys not forget the salient points made by the original poster
Originally posted by popsmayhem
"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.
His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.
A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.
The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.
Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.
NEW WITNESS ZIMMERMAN WAS ATTACKED BY TREYVON
ITS all coming out zimmerman
is the one screaming on the tape
there is a witness WHO WAS SAW IT!!
THEY WATCHED IT..
YOU HAVE ALL BEEN LIED TOO!!
it is all coming out.
trust me if they could they
would
of arrested him already
they cant cuzz zimmerman
is
innocent
ZIMMERMAN IS INNOCENT DO
NOT BELIEVE THE LIES!!
All the bs the MSM is spewing
is insane people buy right on into
the whole damn race war the
msm is selling you..
JUSTICE FOR ZIMMERMAN
A FREE MAN!!
edit on 23-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)edit on 3/24/2012 by tothetenthpower because: --Mod Edit--All Caps
Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
reply to post by pizzanazi75
Id just like to point out that 'innocent until proven guilty' only applies in a court of law. this is public opinion based on the evidence we know so no one has to give him the benefit of the doubt of 'innocent until proven guilty'
Same could be said for Treyvon Martin. Yes this is public opinio's.
That is why he has not been charged with any crime's as of yet because the court system is going by the book. The problem with Public opinion is that it is compromised loosely on assumption and speculation and some little independent investigation. Where I prefer to investigate for myself and I implore others to do so as neutrally as possible. Yes you can approach the whole thing based on your beliefs and perceive it as a racial issue but that accomplishes nothing.
....and look at casey anthony how many people believe she is innocent? yet she has been cleared of killing her kid, but we all still judge her, OJ same thing, Louise Woodword (could be wrong on the name, nanny, shook a baby to death, covicted, and judged reduced sentence to time served.. under a year), Dr. Murry, etc.
I treat everyone and every case the same, I do not let past injustices affect the way I think. Zimmerman is not Casey or OJ, he is Zimmerman. He is a completely different person.
We don't have to give Zimmerman the respect of innocent until proven guilty just like he never gave Treyvon a chance to be innocent until proven guilty.
No you do not have to give him respect.
How do you know he did not give Treyvon a chance to be innocent?
You DONT!
We don't owe George Zimmerman anything...if he doesn't like that he has been 'convicted in the court of public opinion' he is free to come out and tell his side of the story and prove us all wrong. So until then.....he is guilty until proven innocent. We owe him nothing.
Never said we owe him anything, but we owe ourselves to be honest and the humanity of fairness do we not?
There is this thing called Due Process
No he is NOT GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT! If that is the way the world operated then anyone can accuse anyone of anything all the time and everyone would be constantly proving they are innocent of such allegations. That is impractical, illogical and counter productive.
Poppycockedit on 4-4-2012 by Unknown Soldier because: (no reason given)edit on 4-4-2012 by Unknown Soldier because: (no reason given)
You said 'I treat everyone and every case the same, I do not let past injustices affect the way I think.' Your very first interjection into this entire thread was this line ... 'Treyvon was likely another scum bag kid, I blame his parents or lack thereof'.....here are some other highlights of yours...
...becoming said scum bag
...Zimmerman is innocent!
.Zimmerman did the right thing
...He is a true inspiration and this should be a warning to teenage punks. They should think twice.
...The more we learn about Trayvon Martin the more it becomes clear what kind of little monster he was, a criminal in the making
...One less criminal off the streets
...But i call it as I see it, and if my daughter brought home a boy like treyvon " a thug" I would flip. He was what he was, a criminal that attacked Zimmerman and tried to take his gun. Deal with it.
...and pictures of men beating horses.....
Flogging a dead horse (alternatively beating a dead horse in some parts of the Anglophone world) is an idiom that means a particular request or line of conversation is already foreclosed or otherwise resolved, and any attempt to continue it is futile; or that to continue in any endeavour (physical, mental, etc.) is a waste of time as the outcome is already decided.
You are not an objective observer, ive only given a few examples....
Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
reply to post by pizzanazi75
reply to post by pizzanazi75
You said 'I treat everyone and every case the same, I do not let past injustices affect the way I think.' Your very first interjection into this entire thread was this line ... 'Treyvon was likely another scum bag kid, I blame his parents or lack thereof'.....here are some other highlights of yours...
Yes after investigating for myself he was , likely a scum bag kid. Likely being plausible: fit to be believed
...becoming said scum bag
Jeuvenile Delinquent, bag of stolen jewelry and a screw driver . Suspended from school for 10 days, caught doing dope - Check
...Zimmerman is innocent!
Innocent until proven guilty - check
...Zimmerman did the right thing
...He is a true inspiration and this should be a warning to teenage punks. They should think twice.
Inspire others to investigate for thyself - check
Think twice about grabing a gun from ones person/ lesson - check
...The more we learn about Trayvon Martin the more it becomes clear what kind of little monster he was, a criminal in the making
Burglary, Drugs, representing local gang - check
...One less criminal off the streets
his abcense - double check
...But i call it as I see it, and if my daughter brought home a boy like treyvon " a thug" I would flip. He was what he was, a criminal that attacked Zimmerman and tried to take his gun. Deal with it.
cosign myself - check
...and pictures of men beating horses.....
irony - check
You are not an objective observer, ive only given a few examples....
Find a mirror asap, repeat You are not an objective observer, ive only given a few examples
thanksedit on 4-4-2012 by Unknown Soldier because: (no reason given)edit on 4-4-2012 by Unknown Soldier because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Plzz shoot da #mf dat lied 2 u!- Treyvon "NO_LIMIT_NIGGA" Martin
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Plzz shoot da #mf dat lied 2 u!- Treyvon "NO_LIMIT_NIGGA" Martin
Yeah...and? Is there a point here?
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Plzz shoot da #mf dat lied 2 u!- Treyvon "NO_LIMIT_NIGGA" Martin
Yeah...and? Is there a point here?
Oh, that quote is Ebonics is "Please shoot that Mother [expletive] that lied to you" , i found it highly comical as he was shot latter.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by DavidWillts
Plzz shoot da #mf dat lied 2 u!- Treyvon "NO_LIMIT_NIGGA" Martin
Yeah...and? Is there a point here?
Oh, that quote is Ebonics is "Please shoot that Mother [expletive] that lied to you" , i found it highly comical as he was shot latter.
I know what it said. What does it have to do with anything?
And really, you find it funny that someone was killed? Thats just sad...
The maJority of posters on here WANT him deprived of his due process rights. My bad for leaving out the WANT .He actually is being treated fairly and correctly by Law Enforcement.Its the freak nasty headhunter "Justice for saint trayvon" crowd that would deny him his rights
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by Bullypulpit
Still waiting for you to please explain to me how Zimm has been denied his due process.