2nd Trimester Abortions, What Is Your Stance On Them?

Again, for the third time I ask, what happens to those dismembered pieces of human flesh, bone and blood that end up in the trash cans? I would be curious if someone, a real good investigative journalist would follow up on that. Who buys this “waste product”???? And my guess, and I really have a gut feeling, we would all be very surprised to know the truth as this one question, no one has replied to yet remains unanswered. Think these babies just end up in a landfill? Have we ever been told the truth about most things?

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I found this thread here through Google no less, I didn't know if you knew about. Just reading some of the first posts was enough to make me sick to my stomach as to what we do with the "fetuses". (For me, my daughter was a baby when she was just a few cells.)

Use of Fetuses

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by reitze

 

The fetus isn't a sibling, its contained within a mom. So again regulations controlling the mom interfere.

All right. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I think some minimal level of regulation and interference is absolutely justified to protect those contained within others. Anarchy is unacceptable when there are two people already.

If God can trust mom's to make the right decision - that's good enough for me.

Except that there is no god, and even if we assume one, then you dont know his mind.

Yea we disagree. IMHO, your values result in cheerleading for the enslavement of women without even a pharisee concept to justify it. I'm a Christian who says Birth = defining moment, but if you're an athiest??? well then let Howard Roark set you straight. Mom carries the fetus and YOU have no right to ask her to live for anyone but herself.

Second Trimester Abortions should be outlawed. I did give birth to a living, beautiful child at 22 weeks. My son is now 22 years old. If a child is not wanted, use birth control, if it fails have an early abortion and if it gets beyond three months give birth and adopt out. I know many others who have delivered early term children. Some do have problems but seeing it first hand all seem to cope. Today, with new innovations and NICU's all over the place, these kids can survive. So a doc performing second trimester abortions and tossing that baby is alo liket those prom girls delivering full terms and trying to flush them away. It is murder.

Originally posted by EstateofPanic
Second Trimester Abortions should be outlawed. I did give birth to a living, beautiful child at 22 weeks. My son is now 22 years old. If a child is not wanted, use birth control, if it fails have an early abortion and if it gets beyond three months give birth and adopt out. I know many others who have delivered early term children. Some do have problems but seeing it first hand all seem to cope. Today, with new innovations and NICU's all over the place, these kids can survive. So a doc performing second trimester abortions and tossing that baby is alo liket those prom girls delivering full terms and trying to flush them away. It is murder.

Congrats on a successful birth, but you do realize not everyone is so lucky right? There's legalism concerns right?

I saw someone who didn't have those circumstances available but instead had a rapist who wanted to USE the possible baby to get welfare and continuing his abuse. She SELF aborted at 7 months and even if it were still on the umbilical cord I learned to appreciate HER situation (which went on intensifying her situation long after the denied abortion service at 4 months). The point is a legal situation would have ONLY made her other 2 boys motherless. That's some NASTY unintended consequences... or is that the intent of such laws? POLICE STATE!

Also, considering my wife's risks and the legalism applied to Dr's in our medical systems - such laws make it dangerous for a women even to get prenatal care - there are even actual cases of women being jailed over a miscarriage . IMHO that's a miscarriage of justice.

According to the National Advocates for Pregnant Women, prosecutors in South Carolina, one of the first states to introduce a fetal homicide law, have only charged one man under the legislation, and his case was subsequently dismissed. By contrast, as many as 300 South Carolina women have been arrested for their alleged actions against their unborn children during pregnancy.

US women charged with murder following miscarriage

www.wsws.org...

having sex is just too risky for women in the current climate. I mean, no birth control method is 100% effective, and no matter what you do, or don't do, there is still a chance that things might go a little haywire on you, and well, then....you could find yourself losing your life while your doctor argues with the state for your need for an abortion, or your freedom if you happen to miscarry!!!

just say no...to sex!!! unless of course you actually want to have a child!

I betcha ten to one if enough women did this, the climate would quickly change!!

they are preaching abstinance, let's give it to them! married or not, old and young, all women, unless they are wanting a baby....well....refuse sex!!

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Sorry I didn't notice your question till now.

Their contribution to the process is carrying a baby, changes to their body forever, and one of more painful experiences known to humanity.

Ours is an Orgasm...

Who's opinion matters more?

I'm pro choice. Having said that, MY personal belief is that choice should be life. Having the baby is always the correct choice. You sacrifice your own personal comfort,convenience etc to bring a child into this world.

BUT. It's very easy for me to say that I would make that choice if I was a woman, because I know I'll never have to. I don't condemn or judge someone for making that choice. That's all.

Originally posted by Buddha1098...
Their contribution to the process is carrying a baby, changes to their body forever, and one of more painful experiences known to humanity.
Ours is an Orgasm...
Who's opinion matters more?
I'm pro choice. Having said that, MY personal belief is that choice should be life. Having the baby is always the correct choice. You sacrifice your own personal comfort,convenience etc to bring a child into this world.
BUT. It's very easy for me to say that I would make that choice if I was a woman, because I know I'll never have to. I don't condemn or judge someone for making that choice. That's all.

In effect you just condemned my wife to death if her pregnancy doesn't go well and her Dr Pusher doesn't have the courage to do a 7 mo abortion when her and I know the reality of her health - and don't want his drugs... OR his knife on ANYONE else's terms but hers.

And my friend Beth would have had a demond seed rooted among her 2 boys while she'd have been in jail for self aborting at 7 months. God gave woman the task - leave it at that - or be considered a warrior against women, WOW.

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God gave woman the task - leave it at that - or be considered a warrior against women, WOW.

Not a warrior against women. A warrior against women who have late-term abortions without medical necessity. And a proud one, as is 86 % of US population, including 86 % of women.

Wiki link

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Have some responsibility.

reply to post by lives


and just what defines a medical necessity"??
who does??
a panel of medical professionals? a courtroom judge? some lawmakers in washington??

news.bbc.co.uk...

to me that was a medical necessity, that fell on deaf ears....

and there's this:

www.worldpulse.com...

which quite frankly tells me that some of the anti-abortion gang are gonna be pretty dang picky when it comes
what is and what isn't a medical necessity!!

and then there's the wome, who are sitting in jails now in america for the crime of having a miscarriage under a law that was supposedly to protect the baby and mother from domestic violence and violence in general, but alas...there's more women in jail than men under the law which kind of tells me that it was presented to the public in an untruthful way to begin with....

congratulations!! you know what responsibility is!! and as you can see if you've read this thread....
I am encouraging women to do!!! take responsiblity for your lives, your daughter's and daughter in law's lives....and just plain out don't have sex!!! the climate is getting just too dangerous for women if things get out of hand!

now show me that the world knows what the word compassion is, and maybe we can get somewhere!

all I see is a bunch of people who don't want one cent taken from them to help anyone else who seem to think that they can force women to sacrifice their lives, their sight, their ability to take care of themselves...to bring another person into the world and spend 18 or more years raising it!!!

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Read my earlier posts. I haven't condemned anyone for anything.

Originally posted by lives
reply to post by reitze

 

Have some responsibility.

edit on 24-3-2012 by lives because: (no reason given)

LOL, not my job MAN! That's WOMAN's WORK! --- truly gestation is.

Originally posted by Buddha1098
reply to post by reitze

 

Read my earlier posts. I haven't condemned anyone for anything.

That's OK - I prolly assumed the worst case interpretation to launch my rant - don't worry its not personal on a post-to-post level.

IT IS PERSONAL for my wife's rights to conceive and DECIDE whatever outcome SHE feels most appropriate for her and yea she's a Christian too - she wouln't want to give it up... but with her health COULD be faced with a 7 or 8 month situation.

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by reitze

 

God gave woman the task - leave it at that - or be considered a warrior against women, WOW.

...86 % of US population, including 86 % of women.

Wiki link

edit on 24/3/12 by Maslo because: link

That's a really interesting #!
It correlates (directly?) to the Milgram experiement as well as the Pharisee brainwashing that's misconstrued bible BS (I've read the book).

It was recently repeated too:
Man shocked to 'death' on TV show

AND its why we have a balance of power in a REPUBLIC rather than a socialist democracy where the majority would enslave blacks kill the gays, and a wide range of such EVIL like the War On Women. All too willing to do what they're told is right rather than THINK on through the unintended consequences... Like I have for the sake of my wife, my daughter, and inspired by my friend Beth.

With all my heart I feel that abortion is wrong, in any trimester.

This is related to my beliefs as a Christians an as a woman who wants a child someday. I am not in the business of judging others, but I still think its murder. Sorry.

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That's what I was arguing FOR though. The only person who should decide anything is your wife.

And unless you've been pregnant, or you've had an abortion, your opinion on whether another woman should get an abortion is coming from a position of ignorance.

Cheers

Originally posted by Partygirl
With all my heart I feel that abortion is wrong, in any trimester.

This is related to my beliefs as a Christians an as a woman who wants a child someday. I am not in the business of judging others, but I still think its murder. Sorry.

Using the word murder implies my dear friend beth should be in jail after she self aborted a rape-fetus at 7 months. Her other 2 boys would have suffered greatly - especially if she had given that rape-deamon-seed a chance to mess up her life. So for me the dissagreement is using the word murder to express your concerns about fetuses in all cases. For what its worth I saw that 180xxx movie tonight that described what hitler and others have done via Eugenics... nasty terrible stuff. I don't like that either and the Obamacare could have that tendency. IMHO abortion should remain safe and legal and cost whatever is the fair market price regarless of the term. For me...

BIRTH = DEFINING MOMENT - of personhood, citizenship, and LEGAL protection. Before that law sucks.

Originally posted by Buddha1098
reply to post by reitze

 

That's what I was arguing FOR though. The only person who should decide anything is your wife.

And unless you've been pregnant, or you've had an abortion, your opinion on whether another woman should get an abortion is coming from a position of ignorance.

Cheers

edit on 26-3-2012 by Buddha1098 because: (no reason given)

In that case we're in agreement.

My concern is the tendency of others to think they can legislate a woman's morality over and above all other factors.

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Using the word murder implies my dear friend beth should be in jail after she self aborted a rape-fetus at 7 months. Her other 2 boys would have suffered greatly - especially if she had given that rape-deamon-seed a chance to mess up her life.

You bet she should. She could argue with psychological trauma due to rape, but it is a weak defense. Just because it is a rape-fetus does not change anything, people concieved from rape are fully human beings, too. At this stage of pregnancy, she could have got rid of it without killing it.

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AND its why we have a balance of power in a REPUBLIC

I agree. But current balance of power in the US as defined by supreme court allows for ban on late-term abortions. And thats how it should be.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

I'm interested to know what everyone thinks of regarding 2nd trimester abortions.
As you can see from the video babies may be able to hear conversations from the womb just while in 2nd trimester.

See this graphic -

DOCTOR ..............................PATIENT

Don't see government in there anywhere at all.

Do what you think is best for you, make peace with it and wait for whatever (if any) judgement you think will await you when you die. Respect that others might make a different choice and deal with it. Live your life don't force your beliefs on others.

If you can find someone to do it and you wish it to be so - it's your choice. No one else’s - it’s about the most private decision a woman will ever have to make. '

Personally, I am a man - can't think of why anyone would want or need to wait so long but there are surely circumstances that could delay a decision. Perhaps a break-up, a death in the family, loss of income, whatever. Even say the results of a test...say the one that checks for downs - that has to be done later, etc.

I couldn't raise a downs kid - I know I don't have a big enough heart. More power to those who could. If I knew our kid would be retarded, handicapped whatever - I think we as a family might make this choice. Not for everyone mind you but I won't judge if you don't make the same decision.

The bottom line is this is between a person their doctor and their conscience - has nothing whatsoever to do with society or legality.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

This alone should settle the "Is it alive" question

Thoughts