Entire nation of Kiribati to be relocated over rising sea level threat

reply to post by kawika


the coral atoll islands are pancake flat ... so yes even small raises in sea level will submerge them.

reply to post by GeminiTwin


Related thread, "Sea-steading"

ATS Sea Steading thread here

reply to post by AliceBlackman


Yup. I remember reading how surprised they were to find the Hawaiian islands.

They were "high" islands.

But really they are just newer. Not worn down and still being created.

Sooner or later anything built on atolls will be underwater, due to erosion, no matter what the sea level does.

Open up any encyclopedia & look up atolls.

reply to post by AliceBlackman


Go to google and search the term "sea levels falling" and start reading.

Come back and tell us what you find.



Clue: sea levels are falling

Another inconvenient truth. Sorry.

Being a Pacific neighbor we get more on this in the MSM and TV docos than most.

The island is sinking, its an atoll on the top of a volcanic cone, the volcano is sinking, as some do.

Its got nothing to do with sea level rising, if it was why aren't other shorelines being swamped?.

As the island sinks the seawater is penetrating what little soils they have for growing crops and they cannot even carry out subsistance farming to feed themselves. Everything apart from fish is imported.

The mistaken catchcall of "sea level rising" is actually really about storm surge.

i know NASA is generally disliked here but this explains rise and fall of sea levels and why we are in a "pothole" of sorts. sea levels have dropped recently but we will experience a "whiplash" effect and the general trend is toward rising levels.

www.physorg.com...

"While the rise of the global ocean has been remarkably steady for most of this time, every once in a while, sea level rise hits a speed bump. This past year, it's been more like a pothole: between last summer and this one, global sea level actually fell by about a quarter of an inch, or half a centimeter.

So what's up with the down seas, and what does it mean? Climate scientist Josh Willis of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., says you can blame it on the cycle of El Niño and La Niña in the Pacific. "

Damn Niño and Niña, its their fault
Do the calls for evacuation rise and fall with the oscillations

This and last year the weather has been shocking here in NZ, virtually no Summer to speak of.

Bring back Nino

Originally posted by pasiphae
i know NASA is generally disliked here but this explains rise and fall of sea levels and why we are in a "pothole" of sorts. sea levels have dropped recently but we will experience a "whiplash" effect and the general trend is toward rising levels.

www.physorg.com...

"While the rise of the global ocean has been remarkably steady for most of this time, every once in a while, sea level rise hits a speed bump. This past year, it's been more like a pothole: between last summer and this one, global sea level actually fell by about a quarter of an inch, or half a centimeter.

So what's up with the down seas, and what does it mean? Climate scientist Josh Willis of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., says you can blame it on the cycle of El Niño and La Niña in the Pacific. "

Hmmmm, it seems if the facts don't fit their money spinning theory, they just alter the theory to gloss over the inconvenient facts.

reply to post by Ek Bharatiya


Leave it up to the deniers to attempt to wreck yet another thread.

Maybe we can send them to these island so they can SEE the rise for themselves!

reply to post by bigyin


Why don't you just post the information to back up your claim?

Or is that too hard for you to do?

Try and think about the people who live on these islands. Do you think they give a # whether the sea is rising or falling? They're losing their home no matter what!

yet we have a company wanting to spend $500million on a golf course in the Maldives ? Why would anyone invest that kind of money on a floating course if the island was going to go under ??? Because it wont...

www.forbes.com...

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by bigyin

 

Why don't you just post the information to back up your claim?

Or is that too hard for you to do?

Try and think about the people who live on these islands. Do you think they give a # whether the sea is rising or falling? They're losing their home no matter what!

edit on 10-3-2012 by The Sword because: (no reason given)

I'm not disputing that the people might be losing their homes. That too bad, but it's nothing to do with rising sea levels which is a myth put out by AGW scammers.

There is so much information available to prove it I couldn't possibly link to it all. Anyway why should I. all you have to do is do what I said and google it and you will find tons of it. If folks can't be bothered doing that it's not my problem but that what google's for.

The title of the thread ought to be corrected as it's perpetuating a lie.

Sea levels CANNOT be rising simply because of the theory of displacement.

The sea levels in theory should not be rising or decreasing because even if the glaciers melt, the amount they displaced is the same as the amount of water that will be added to the sea from conversion from the ice to water.

Much time spent debating with the class me against all about global warming = fake

reply to post by AG123


not from land based glaciers though.....

reply to post by AliceBlackman


You raise a very good point lol how could I miss, well what about the water cycle and what not maybe it has a role to play in it over a prolonged period of time

reply to post by AG123


We are seeing the equilibrium on the water cycle changing.
Ocean levels have been steadily increasing since the last ice age, they always do in interglacial periods. Land based glaciers are still melting, however this time man is changing the water cycle....deforestation is occurring at an alarming rate (tree's and vegetation play a large part in the water cycle via transpiration, for instance 1 large oak will transpire 40,000 gallons per year). About one half of the forests that covered the Earth are gone. Each year, another 16 million hectares disappear. Global desertification is increasing. (From the mid-1990s to 2000, 1,374 square miles have turned into deserts each year -- an area about the size of Rhode Island. That's up from 840 square miles in the 1980s, and 624 square miles during the 1970s.) Deforested areas and baked earth doesn't soak up as much rain and neither does compacted earth from over use of ground aquifers (see land subsidence, a growing problem) ... and so more will be running back to the Ocean. The Sun provides the energy for evaporation from the ocean, rivers and lakes forming clouds, which releases rain over cooler areas. Volcanic activity also releases water into the atmosphere. So we will continue to see sea level increases.

reply to post by muzzy


granted the volcano's forming the atolls will be subsiding, but the sea levels on average are increasing and will continue to increase until the next ice age. Double whammy for the islands really.