Those Marines Bought an SS Flag Without Knowing What it Was? Seriously? That’s Your Excuse?

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


If you didn't care why are you countering every explanation given that defends the Marines while ignoring / supporting the ones that target them and link them to Nazi Germany?


***** In general and not directed at any one person ******

How many people in Germany know what the Nazi Swastika / SS flags look like, let alone knowing what they are and represented during Hitlers regime? Since all of its banned you will find people who dont know.

The Snipers bought the flag.. The Snipers are the ones who decided it stood for scout snipers. Since they know and we don't, everyone else would need to show they are lying.

The state of Mississippi has double ss's does it mean the state, after WWII, was named after the SS?

Social Security?
Secret Service?

The level of ridiculousness in this thread and some of the people in it are just sad. By all means though feel free to continue the anti American BS this site has become known for. If only peoples offended sensibilities extended beyond the US where it is really needed.

7k plus people killed in Syria and people are concerned about a flag with SS on it. Whats worse is the level of vigor in attacking the Marines. I would say some people are still waiting on spine donors, others are upright only because of the starch in their shirts, and the remainder have ethics that would raise eyebrows in the court of Caligula.

The Marines didnt take a personal blood oath to Adolf Hitler as the SS is required to do. They didnt run a concentration camp as the SS did.

Get over it and concentrate on the more important things would you please.

This incident doesn't surprise me at all. You would be stunned how many gang/fascist/communist/ etc. related symbols are incorporated into fashion and such, without the public at large being aware of the true meaning of image. One of the best sources of information are the different states DOC's.

More than anything it should be a warning of the lack history being taught in our educational system. Perhaps it's time for our children to be exposed fully to horrors that were committed in WWII. Especially from the Axis. The piles of bodies, children being gases, executions into swelling pits, all of it. Not just relegated to the History Channel, which is hit or miss on the truth anymore.

Our military especially should know what precipitated all this. And why they should be always held accountable. They should know why "I was only following orders." is not a valid excuse. And why two Runic thunderbolts are cause for concern.

Remember what happens to those that fail to remember history.

reply to post by Xcathdra


I am just saying that it I personally don't care, but if someone wants to act shocked that people would be offended I am giving the explanation. They knew what they were doing, we all know that. I am going to respond to anyone that has any delusions about it.

I will bet anyone over fifty knows it is an SS Nazi flag. I guess the schools just did not do a very good job of teaching the younger folks history. I am not a history major and I immediately knew the flag for what it was. I find it hard to believe a Marine could purchase this and not know it for what it is. I understand though if somebody does not want to learn WW2 history because it was a pretty bad time for humanity and we did some awful things to each other.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Oh come on every single one of them knows what it looks like. Every one. They don't even like to display their own current national flag to overtly because the idea of nationalism and too much national pride bothers them.

P.S. we aren't talking about Germans here so that strawman is ridiculous.

Originally posted by SprocketUK
Folks need to grow up and realise that its possible to find certain images cool without subscribing to the underlying beliefs associated with them.

My cut off has a big old iron cross on one side. Doesn't mean I'm a Nazi. It's just a symbol who's original purpose was to offend Joe public. Over the years its become ubiquitous in the bike scene.

The same is true of the lightning bolts.

You get a star for that. People are just way too sensitive. These guys found a flag that have the same initials as scout sniper the only mistake they made was letting someone get a hold of a photo that was probably meant just for them. Someone on here asked me if I could prove that the snipers have been using that insignia for years the answer is no I don't keep a journal of photos but I have seen it. Can I prove it? No.

The real story is these guys are working in some of the harshest conditions doing one of the toughest jobs in the military and all anybody can talk about is a stupid photo they took with their squad. The swear people become such crybabies.

reply to post by Grimpachi


You can't honestly believe that. If they are that stupid than ship them back or they will be shooting at friendlies. They are obviously complete idiots. Funny because I though scout snipers were some of the smarter ones with the considerations that go into making a long shot.

Yeah that is not a valid argument. You can argue all day that this were innocent kids who found a scout sniper flag but that is as ignorant as the excuse itself. First off it would be hard to find without knowing what you were looking for, second they are scout snipers these are some of the more intelligent ones, third you would have to be pretty damn dumb to be anyone and not know what that symbol is, and doubley damn dumb to be in the military and not know what that symbol is.

The real story is these guys are working in some of the harshest conditions doing one of the toughest jobs in the military and all anybody can talk about is a stupid photo they took with their squad.

No. i don't give a f**k about the waah waah conditions and tough jobs. They signed up for it. And apparently they are just as ignorant to their cause as they are to their insignia.

I respect the bravery of all combat forces, but they are f**kin idiots if they use this insignia. Period.

Using this insignia is disrespectful of all allied combat forces of WW2

How can anyone possibly defend this??

So some 18-25 year old men who have had endless WW2 movies thrown at them since Saving Private Ryan, don't know what the SS is? I find that kind of funny. I'm willing to bet $$$ at least one of them saw Inglorius Basterds.



Honestly, I still don't see what the big deal is. Remove that flag and you would all say they're bad-ass and thank them for doing what they do, which is kill people from miles away or stalk them. But the minute you add a racist flag - it's not OK anymore.

Or they might have all just been huge KISS fans

the runes meant something different hundreds of years ago, it meant something else about 70 years ago, whats to say it doesnt mean something else NOW?

The only problem here is that you people are just too sensitive.

How dare they put up a symbol that means Scout sniper to them but offends you. How dare they represent what they do. How dare they have their picture taken. Sarcasm intended.

You knuckleheads need to get over it. This isn't World War II. I don't care what it meant back then it is 2012 and these guys didn't do anything wrong. I do not know any veteran that would make a big deal out of this.

I am pretty sure most of you are just looking for something to cry about because you don't like the United States or its military and that is the only reason you're making a fuss out of this.

Originally posted by HomerinNC
the runes meant something different hundreds of years ago, it meant something else about 70 years ago, whats to say it doesnt mean something else NOW?

Simple - If it did mean something different now, which it does, it wouldn't allow the anti US, bash America any chance they can get crowd the chance to compare / insinuate / suggest / nod in that direction a link between the US and Nazi Germany.

Its been pointed out a few times now to those people the symbols used in Nazi Germany were around thousands of years prior to the 3rd Reich. They ignore it because it undermines their current accusations.

reply to post by Xcathdra


No. A symbol is only as relevant as it's interpretation...

Are you seriously suggesting these soldiers are aware of the original meaning of the Sowilo rune and that is why they used it?

I'm not suggesting any link between these guys and nazi Germany.. only their ignorance and disrespect.

Sig Rune

While the rune itself has no direct connection to National Socialism, the sig rune used by Karl Maria Wiligut (Himmler's official occultist) in his own runic row (Wiligut runes) was used in the context of Nazi mysticism and is most commonly used to refer to the insignia of the Schutzstaffel (SS) of the Third Reich.[citation needed]

Sowilo Rune

*Sowilō or *sæwelō is the reconstructed Proto-Germanic name of the s-rune, meaning "sun". The name is attested for the same rune in all three rune poems. It appears as Old Norse sōl, Old English sigel, and Gothic sugil.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by SprocketUK

 

I don't think it's as simple as that when you are representing a country in warfare and holding up a NAZI flag under the American flag. It's easy to see why people would be upset. EASY to see. I personally don't care, but come on.

Absolutely, but the point I was trying to make (in a cack handed way)
Was that liking or displaying symbols in no way means you are in favour of a certain ideology.
People have to face up to the fact that lots of things the Nazis did had a coolness to them.
SS flags in the military? Yeah, I can see why, The Waffen SS had a hell of a reputation as fighters and soldiers always gravitate to the comparison between themselves and those held in high regard by their peers.

Sure, some guys in the marines will be closet KKK nuts, but I bet they are an extreme minority.

Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by SprocketUK
Folks need to grow up and realise that its possible to find certain images cool without subscribing to the underlying beliefs associated with them.

My cut off has a big old iron cross on one side. Doesn't mean I'm a Nazi. It's just a symbol who's original purpose was to offend Joe public. Over the years its become ubiquitous in the bike scene.

The same is true of the lightning bolts.

You get a star for that. People are just way too sensitive. These guys found a flag that have the same initials as scout sniper the only mistake they made was letting someone get a hold of a photo that was probably meant just for them. Someone on here asked me if I could prove that the snipers have been using that insignia for years the answer is no I don't keep a journal of photos but I have seen it. Can I prove it? No.

The real story is these guys are working in some of the harshest conditions doing one of the toughest jobs in the military and all anybody can talk about is a stupid photo they took with their squad. The swear people become such crybabies.

Thanks.

The biggest problem is most of you here will go out of your way to find something that offends you. Since we have to be so politically correct now, it is quite easy for you to find something that offends you and gives you reason to whine.

I am a Marine and have known quite a few Scout Snipers and let me tell you, they are not the dumb ignorant fools some of you make them out to be. Most of them have the "SS" either tattooed or on a patch or something. It simply stands for Scout Sniper. If you took it at face value, none of you America/Military haters would have nothing to whine about.


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reply to post by kn0wh0w

and he might be on to something here.

source for the article

link to his blog for full article

so what do you think ATS?

I think you have a distain for military members, as do many people on ATS, and this is another opportunity for your group to take a cheap shot.

In this context, SS stands for Scout Sniper and nothing else. Why is that so hard for you guys to understand? I’ll answer that…it’s NOT. You’re purposely trying to mislead people and you are intentionally trying to make something out of nothing.

I’m sure you’ll keep patting each other on the back and throwing high fives! Carry on!

Don’t let the truth get in the way of your party!!

reply to post by kn0wh0w


Considering that they are Scout Snipers? I'd say that some of them knew what it was, but they got the idea and nobody really cared. To them it was probably just cool. It's not a big deal IMO, I'd think the negative attention alone is probably punishment enough.

I would have thought that there was no way anyone didn't know what that flag represented until I read this thread, I'm kind of surprised.

Seems like the Runic SS letters have indeed been reused by the "scout snipers" along with the skull / Totenkopf motif that was adopted by the SS.



It doesnt seem like an isolated incident anyway and something that's more to do with the unit then these individual soldiers

No one has bought up the fact that they might all have been paid up members of the Kiss army