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Section 4 - the waiver section continues by specifically stating in Section 4 - subsection B paragraph 1. US Citizens are NOT subject to the law.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by PapaKrok
Why am I not surprised? Her eius the remainder of info for your Police comment and Canada.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
edit on 1-12-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by PapaKrok
reply to post by PapaKrok
Latest News...
Proposed Amendments to S1867:
www.infowars.com...
Senate Amendment (SA) 1126 would “clarify” Section 1031 to explicitly state within the section that the authority of the military to detain persons without trial until the end of hostilities does not apply to American citizens.
SA 1125 would limit the mandatory detention provision in Section 1032 to persons captured abroad, not in America.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by MegaMind
Originally posted by PapaKrok
reply to post by PapaKrok
Latest News...
Proposed Amendments to S1867:
www.infowars.com...
Senate Amendment (SA) 1126 would “clarify” Section 1031 to explicitly state within the section that the authority of the military to detain persons without trial until the end of hostilities does not apply to American citizens.
SA 1125 would limit the mandatory detention provision in Section 1032 to persons captured abroad, not in America.
I'm not wrong about the structure of the bill. That would be you.
The Bill does not apply to US Citizens.
So when someone steals laws against theft go poof?
Originally posted by MegaMind
(b)
.....(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by MegaMind
So when someone steals laws against theft go poof?
When there is no one to enforce them, laws are worthless.
Do you really believe that in the middle of a firefight, a soldier who is dodging bullets cares about the rights of the guy shooting at him? Do you think that, after a battle, a soldier who is low on ammo will not raid the body of a fallen combatant for more? Theft is a useless term in war, as is murder and assault. In a battlefield, there are no police and thus no law.
TheRedneck
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by MegaMind
So when someone steals laws against theft go poof?
When there is no one to enforce them, laws are worthless.
Do you really believe that in the middle of a firefight, a soldier who is dodging bullets cares about the rights of the guy shooting at him? Do you think that, after a battle, a soldier who is low on ammo will not raid the body of a fallen combatant for more? Theft is a useless term in war, as is murder and assault. In a battlefield, there are no police and thus no law.
You apparently think war is some sort of game where people just break rules. No. War has only one rule - kill the enemy - and anyone who breaks it dies.
It's no wonder so many of our soldiers die in silly 'police actions'... it seems most people do not even understand the concept of war. This bill does nothing more than specify actions the military must legally take concerning enemy combatants during a wartime conflict. Nothing more. If someone who is a citizen decides they want to side with Al Qaeda in a firefight on US soil... well, I'm sorry I'm not all broken up over the civil rights of someone who wants to kill citizens. Outside of that, I will defend their rights tooth and nail.
Welcome to reality.
TheRedneck
Originally posted by PapaKrok
A clarification from the bills sponsor as to his intentions:
McCain speaks about who is to be detained...
www.youtube.com...
Originally posted by UdonNiedtuno
Holy hell. I have been lurking around for the past couple weeks, considered chiming in a couple times but resisted the urge. But no longer can I hold back...
MegaMind, I feel your pain.
Xcathdra, really? How do you not understand that negating the REQUIREMENT to detain, is not the same is negating the ABILITY to detain? Also, you have failed to acknowledge the ouster of your false premise that somehow section (b) is part of subsection (4) [the waiver]? Do you think the bill's authors decided to change the hierarchy of the formatting mid-section?
All that needs to happen for you to be indefinitely detained is for some high ranking official to declare that you have in some way committed a "belligerent" act towards the government of the US, poof, your life is over. No right to trial, no rights to anything, until the War on Terror is over...which, except in the case of major revolution, will be never.
Good luck with that.
Peace,
Udon
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by XPLodER
so the AMENDMENT made the CITIZENS exempt from the law doing a run around on the constitution.
What the hell are you talking about? Exempt from the Constitution? Are you sure you are in the right thread? You may need to go back and actually read the 2 sections before posting. So far what you posted makes absolutely no sense.
Let me help you out some -
Can a US citizen be arrested by the Active duty Military? - No because of the federal law - posse commitatus.
Can Congress repeal that law and allow the Active duty military engage in civilian law enforcement? Absolutely yes, they can.
Is it a violation of the US or State Constitutions? Nope.
Would you prefer legislation be enacted that doesn't specifically exclude US citizens, leaving the stats as vague and unambiguous?
The sponsor of the amendment made it a point to specifically address the issue of a US citizen. Amazing how people get pissed even at that.edit on 1-12-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham’s own words on the Senate floor.
“In summary here, [section] 1032, the military custody provision, which has waivers and a lot of flexibility doesn’t apply to American citizens. [Section] 1031, the statement of authority to detain does apply to American citizens, and it designates the world as the battlefield including the homeland,” Graham said.
Since the law doesn't apply to US citizens, I'm not worried.